Do we need to win 5 states or not? Here are the rules:
Submitted by lynnopoly on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 13:06There seems to be some discrepancy regarding the idea that we need to win 5 states to be eligible for the nomination. Here are the rules set forth by the GOP found here: http://www.gop.com/About/AboutRead.aspx?Guid=a4cc4fcb-6043-4...
RULE NO. 40
Nominations
(a) In making the nominations for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be called separately in each case; provided, however, that if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice President of the United States who has demonstrated the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to such office shall be required.
(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.
(c) The total time of the nominating speech and seconding speeches for any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States shall not exceed fifteen (15) minutes.
(d) When at the close of a roll call any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States has received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention, the chairman of the convention shall declare that the candidate has been nominated.
(e) If no candidate shall have received such majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention.
(f) For the 2004 Republican National Convention, notwithstanding any other provision of these rules or any Rule of the House of Representatives, it shall be in the discretion of the Chair to suspend the roll call conducted to nominate the candidate for President of the United States at any time in order to conduct other Convention business under the established order of business.
What is the most likely scenario?
Let's say there's a brokered convention and let's say there's a second round of voting - can anyone acually see Romney supporters voting for McCain or vice versa?! There's bad blood between them now, can you imagine how bad it would be by then! Would their supporters really be willing to give the nomination to an opponent they've probably come to resent bitterly by then?
Seriously, wouldn't it be much more likely they would give their votes to Ron Paul - if nothing else, just to spite their most hated opponent?! Hey, I'll take a victory any way I can get it! :-)
How to become a delegate
http://www3.webng.com/ronpaul/becomedelegate.html
how does one become a delegate
If someone is committed to spending the time in minneapolis on sep 1 -4, does anyone know how one becomes a delegate?
Brokered convention
A brokered convention refers to a situation in United States politics where there are not enough delegates obtained during the presidential primary and caucus process for a single candidate to obtain a majority for the presidential nominating convention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention
So if Mccain and Romney end up very close then there is a possibilty of this happening. If so, the delegates that were pledged for each state are not obligated to vote for that candidate and could potential win RP the nomination.
I don't understand how
I don't understand how having the delegates is going to matter if McCain is elected on the first ballot. Most of the delegates are bound to vote as the votes were cast in your state.
That is IF he gets the 51%
If he has 51% then he is nominated. Yes we must vote on the first ballot for him if he wins our districts in a primary. But if he doesn't then get 51% then we can all vote for who we like.
How can we get the word out?
We really need to let the meetup groups know the plan of getting RP delegates. Can we have a delegate bomb? or would that give other candidates ideas!! Really.....we need to let RP people that may have even given up thinking we can't win know that we CAN.....and that it is looking more and more like this is a possibilty. Any ideas how to get the word out?
This Means
Ron Paul supporters need to become delegates. That is what it means. If there is no majority for any one candidate, then it is a brokered convention. Get involved and become a delegate and make a difference.
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It means
that technically we can go to the convention and WIN it without EVER getting a first place show an any state.
Which was the plan anyways, sorta.
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Thanks, Lynn
You find some good stuff! We sould all read this.
Aw, shucks ;)
Aw, shucks ;)
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Okay, if I am interpreting
Okay, if I am interpreting this right. We need the majority of delegates of 5 states. Well, that's possible to get even without winning the majority of votes, right? For example, several states do not pick their delegates until April or May, at the state's convention. So, if we can get a majority of those delegates for Ron Paul, then that's a win for us. Right?
Right, and can't delegates switch and aren't
uncommitted delegates as least possible if not unlikely, for Paul? Assuming Romney delegates in Maine and Nevada really like their guy and NOT McCain, couldn't some go to RP, giving him the most delegates in those 2 states? Same with Huck in SC, Iowa and Louisiana? But most is not majority. Back and forth on the facts. WE NEED AN EXPERT.
The biggest question for the Ron Paul movement in my opinion is do a couple hundred RP delegates matter at the convention if it IS NOT brokered? If the answer is YES, we can literally establish a ROn Paul/Liberty wing of the Republican party with more and more delegates. If the answer is no.. well..
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
Looked into this a little..
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2008/01/pla...
Though this link is for the Democratic process, it's convincing enough in the sense that getting a plank in the GOP platform is a seriously saturated political tug of war.
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
an Ex Spirt
is something that used to be a fast drip.
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I think we got the majority
I think we got the majority of delegates in Nevada. Mitt won the popular vote sure, but I'm fairly confident that we got the majority of delegates due to our organizational skills. If not we came very close
That was my thought too
But how is it determined if they have a majority?
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
I think we need Ron Paul
I think we need Ron Paul supporters to become delegates, period. And, I mean delegates for other candidates too. For most states, the delegates are bound, not bound, or bound only on the first round of voting at the national convention. Okay, let's say we have a Paul supporter who becomes a delegate for Romney and because of the state he is from, he is bound to voting for Romney on the first round at the convention. If Romney, for example, was unable to win the nomination based on the first round of voting, then a second round of voting would take place and at that point the "Paul supporting" Romney delegate could vote for Paul.
Can anyone verify if I'm 100% correct on this?
nice idea Lori...
but aren't these forums open to the public and thus visible to our political adversaries? I would communicate such ideas for "manchurian delegates" in a secure & closed RP forum.