IMPORTANT! Why Ron Paul Must NEVER Run as an Independent.
I got an email this morning urging me to persuade Ron Paul to run as an independent or on a 3rd party ticket later on.
This is either from misguided supporters, or from people who really do not want us to fix America.
Why must this NEVER happen?
The elite know that what we are doing is working. They plan for the long run. Whether or not Ron Paul gets the nomination or becomes president, every day he is showing that the ONLY way we can take our country and economy back is to TAKE OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Every day, their supporters DIE. People like the evil men who stole votes in NH whom you can see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM
The Ron Paul revolution is young,
Every day, we enrol and educate new members.
Using the systems already in place, such as the debates, the Ron Paul revolution has done miracles.
As elitestalker reminded us below: Remember we have hundreds possibly thousands of supporters who have spent their time and money becoming delegates. We can NOT abandon these people and switch parties.
Delegates are the secret weapon of the elite that were to be used against us. But in this case, that weapon will blow up in their faces.
Every single day, people become delegates and join the Republican Party. Every new election we, who knew next to nothing about politics, are learning about all the scams in the system.
The Revolution is not about one man.
It is about changing the system.
The elite and bankers set up a great two party system for controlling America and it's money. They know that the only thing that can change that system is if we take over one of the parties, like a swarm of ants.
There are now, and probably always will be, MILLIONS of people who will hear of and vote for Ron Paul because he is a Republican. But who will NEVER hear of him if he is a third party candidate. This kind of thing has been proven over and over in the past.
Remember that the revolution will spread to state and local government as well, if we do it this way.
So, whether it is about this election for president, or later ones for the presidency or congress, the ONLY way that we will fix things is to keep doing what we are doing now. That is, charging the battlements of the Republican party and taking it over completely, so that one day the elections and candidates are honest.
The elite know that most of their power base are old.
IN ADDITION, Ron Paul needs to stay a Republican to ensure he gets back into congress, and so that he can lead all the other Ron Paul supporters who are going to get elected to congress.
Whatever happens, remain focused. The systems are already in place for us to save America using the Republican party. Any other way will lead to nothing. May the ants win.
Realize
We have to realize that Dr. Paul is the first candidate of his type in modern history to actually take on one of the big 2 parties rather than run as a 3rd party. I sincerely hope he does not choose to run on a 3rd party ticket, as it will undermine all he and his supporters have done to try and get the Republican party back on track. I know those who will rally for a 3rd party run are well-intentioned because of their firm belief in the revolution but it would be foolish to throw your vote away considering how fraud would be a given and how the media has succeeded in keep Dr. Paul out of the spotlight to purposely keep his exposure at the bare minimum. I say give it 4 more years if it doesn't work out this election. The revolution will only grow during that time and so many will be awakened he would be sure to the the nomination next time around.
HOPING for Independent run if not republican!
Dr. Paul is the ONLY one who has had THREE paths to the White House.
If not Republican, then by all means, Independent!!!
Im waiting for this announcement on Wednesday before I can donate any more money! sorry, but true...
NC Unaffiliated Voter and bitter EX democrackkk
Great line
"The Revolution is not about one man.
It is about changing the system."
Long after this election, RP supporters will have truth on our side. I will never take off my revolution sticker from my car, it is my way of saying, don't blame me, i didn't vote for the status quo. The american people need to determine exactly what is the role of government in our life. We cannot afford the government that the liberals and neo cons want and this will become painfully clear in the next generation as much of our budget turns to entitlements and social security taxes are no longer a source of revenues but becomes an additional outlay. It is going to hit the fan in the next 20 years and it won't be pretty. RP supporters will always be able to say "I told you so".
I will follow Dr, Paul...
If McCain gets the nomination then I hope Dr. Paul does run as a 3rd party candidate. My loyalty is not to the Republican party, my loyalty lies with Ron Paul and America, I will follow him to the very end and I would encourage him to continue the presidential run for as long as possible.
Regards,
David F
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Regards,
David F
www.myspace.com/asymptote
Stay With Paul
No matter what Ron Paul does we must remain united!
As a Democrat, I particularly don't care for the neo-con dominated GOP one lick but if Ron Paul goes straight to the GOP convention then I'm with him all the way. Political parties are merely vehicles of change, they are in and of themselves NOT unredeemable characters or institutions. Read antiwar.com to learn how the neo-cons made a mass exodus from Lyndon B. Johnson's pro-Vietnam Democratic Party over to the previously non-interventionist "America First" GOP. Parties change. People change.
Let's keep things in perspective, fellow Paulites!
Having been involved in "minor" political parties like the Reform Party and the Libertarian Party, I can confidently say that the attempt to get media exposure is downright near impossible. The Green Party and Libertarian Party presidential candidates in 2004 were both treated like chumps by the MSM even though both opposed the Patriot Act and the Iraq Quagmire. They were shut out of debates so that idiots could listen to Kerry bore the nation to tears while Bush stumbled to speak perfectly bad English. I know illegal immigrants who speak the language better than that Skull-and-Bones Texas Rangers owner.
If Paul goes independent, I'm in. But for the time being he is playing a very, very smart delegate game; picking up uncommitted, traditionally conservative delegates who won't necessarily back McKill or Romnuts.
Ron Paul is not in the same economic position as Ross Perot to blanket the airwaves with millions and millions of dollars in infomercials. It nearly worked for Perot but at this point it is not the Ron Paul strategy, and should therefore not be our strategy.
Look, I agree more than anyone that we need to break the two-party system. but this is not what the Ron Paul Revolution is about. Today, we're working on electing a President.
That is another battle for another time. We will fight that battle through election reform, ending winner-take-all voting, and ballot access reform. Today, the name of the game is to take Ron Paul to the brokered convention and cause a political riot with a GOP up in arms. This is why I prefer that liberal anti-free speech McKill continues to beat Romney in the "popularity polls" we call primaries and caucuses. Remember, the name of the game is delegates.
Stay the course, my friends!
What do you plan to do when
What do you plan to do when McCain is the Nominee? Keep running as a Republican? You don't make any sense.
Following your lead means the minuscule amount of publicity we get now goes away completely, no more rallies, interviews, speeches, videos, money bombs, etc.
So, how do you plan on continuing to fill the ranks when the campaigning stops?
Do you really want to "takeover" a party that is going to be stigmatized for years, the party of McCain, who is about to lose to the Dems by 75%-25%?
It took 40 years for the GOP to come to power and in 15 years they managed to destroy the party. They won't be given another chance for 80 years now. It makes much more sense to bring something new and fresh to the table. I don't want to be in the party of slimy pigs anymore. You will never be able to unseat the true power holders in the GOP, no matter how many "Ron Paul Republicans" you get elected. You will just be used as a tool, like Rush and Hannity. No, pull your head out, the GOP is dead.
In a new party these war pigs have no power.
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"Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment." - Ron Paul
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"Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment." - Ron Paul
3rd Party
What you propose is exactly what the Young Republicans did in 1972 when they walked out of the GOP Convention and started the Libertarian Party. Where is the Libertarian Party today after 35 years? No Where. Been there, done that. Didn't work then and won't work now. Was there with every LP Presidential election since Roger McBride in 76 and ran as a Libertarian in numerous City, County, State and Federal elections including US Congress in 2000. The only way a third party will win is when the rules are the same for all political parties. Now the Reps and Dems control who can get on the ballot in any of the 50 states. Either way you are going to have to change one or the other of the major parties to change the rules for third parties in each of the 50 states. Best to use all the required time, money and energy to change one of the existing major parties. The Original Principals of the Republican Party are the reason Dr. Paul is a Republican. The Libertarian Party Statement of Principals is nearly identical to the Republican Party Principals except that the Republicans don't follow theirs.
Voluntary Association, Mutual Cooperation.
Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty
The point is
that the only way he is getting any publicity at ALL is because he's running in the Republican party. If he ran independent, he'd need a minimum of 150 mil just to get some ad time somewhere... if he was allowed to buy it. He would be just as blacked out as he is now, with one exception: he would not be allowed in delbates, etc. There are about 50 other issues with running independent right now. What it boils down to is that if he decided right now to make an independent bid, he could kiss his Congress position goodby and become the least known man in the United States as well. Probably not a good plan for a guy that is JUST TRYING TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO PEOPLE.
Any other bright ideas, or can we let this thread die, so the herd of tards can restart it tomorrow?
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It been nice guys but it
It been nice guys but it appers that most on this forumn want to reform the system.
I want a revolution. You obviously do not know what a revolution is.
There is a big difference.
Good Luck.
This is absolute bullcrap
Listen, Ron Paul should continue to run as a Republican until it becomes painfully obvious that he will not get the nomination. Then, he should run as an independent. This is an absolutely ridiculous post.
Posted on Ron Paul Forums -
This post is also on www.ronpaulforums.com. There are a lot of good replies to it there. This is one of them:
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POST I'VE SEEN ON THESE BOARDS IN DAYS!!!
Read it learn it ACCEPT IT!!
Ron Paul is not going third party PERIOD... The only way REAL change gets affected is by beating the Republican Party at it's own game. Win or lose come Super Tuesday we must stay commited to fundamentally changing the Republican Party and shaping it into our view of America.
LEARN THE TRICKS and bylaws of your local GOP and BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME!! I have been harping on this at the local level for several months now. I think people are just now understanding what this means.
I went to a local GOP club meeting here in Toledo. We gathered about 20 or so meetup members(it could have easily been double that, but we didn't want to draw to much attention). We tied Mitt in the straw poll they held.
Normally they get about 10 to 12 people to show up. With us and the other younger people that showed up, there was easily 45 people there. If we had PUSHED HARD we could have brought about 45 to 50 LUCAS COUNTY RON PAUL GOP members to that meeting.
We outnumber on the local level the entrenched GOP. THIS WILL BE THE ENDURING LEGACY OF RON PAUL'S CANDIDACY!!
NO THIRD PARTY PERIOD!!
Robert
He doesn't need too
This election is far from over, the field is thinning, the republican base is fractured, we keep gaining support and McCain is only one "Dean" moment away from losing. I agree with this post and WILL be writing in Dr. Paul's name on my general election ballot in my own blood (if they're out of pens). Dr. Paul really doesn't need to consider a third party run because those loyal to him, will vote for him anyway!
We can't run 3rd party! We
We can't run 3rd party! We won't need to. My god people, it's way too early for this kind of talk. Just wait a bit longer. Everybody is so programmed to think instant results. Has society caused us to loose the virtue of patients? Only 6 states have voted out of 50 and you are ready to throw in the towel? Just wait, there is something brewing under the surface and it is getting ready to blow. Dr. Paul is a genius, you all know that, give him some credit and support. He ran Republican for a reason. Don't you think he has thought long and hard from his previous run in 88? Don't you think he has thought long and hard about what went wrong and what went right? Have faith. Trust him. You are a follower for a reason, he can lead us to victory. All we have to do is listen to him and do what he tells us to do. He says canvass, then canvass. He says donate, donate.
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
It is not too early. After
It is not too early. After tomorrow it will be half over.
If McCain is close to the number of delegates needed it will be over.
Time to run 3rd party or get out of the race and run for Congress or something.
I say run 3rd party and still run as an independent for the seat in Texas.
Look what Lieberman did in 2006. It can be done.
This should be discussed if
This should be discussed if he cannot win the republican nom, not before, and yes, if he can´t, then he should, and he will win!!!!!
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
WHO CARES ABOUT THE PARTY!
Here we are bickering again, third party, republican, winning primaries, losing primaries. People GET OVER YOURSELVES either you are with Ron Paul or you are not, no matter what he is doing he needs our support. He is doing what he is doing for a reason, either you support him or you don't there is no middle of the road. You can woulda, coulda, shoulda all day long, but if you want Ron in the White House there is only ONE way to help, by supporting him regardless!
The more and more I hear from "supporters" complaining the more and more I realize that so many are nothing but followers of the "If he cant win, why vote for him" ilk, you've just stuck around a little longer than most. Now is the time to support the campaign and encourage each other. If you've given up, please give up and get out of here, stop poisoning the well!
Go Caseyc!
Now THAT's what I'm talking about.. drop the ~third party~ stupidity and let's get to work on what we're suposed to be doing... and the people that don't like that, then go run independent yourself.. you'll have the same chances winning as RP would on an Indy ticket. Remember.. RP isn't stupid... but some of you are!
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I think you need a serious
I think you need a serious reality check.
I have donated my time and my money and have spent the last few months of my life doing everything I can to get Dr. Paul elected. I have even lost a few friends over it.
So don't tell me what to do.
He needs to stay in this race. This is the year to go 3rd party.
There will never be a better time.
He has wasted all of my efforts if he does not.
Wow
First off Mac, I appreciate your time and money and I'm sure Dr. Paul does as well. But to say "He has wasted all of my efforts if he does not" is missing the mark, I would say this: "If you feel you have wasted your efforts, then surely you have"
I'm not going to contribute to the third party debate, it's pointless until the Republican nomination is set in stone. That's the goal here. If you don't support him running as a Republican I say keep your money, save your energy and wait to see if he runs independent after the nomination.
I have supoprted him running
I have supoprted him running as a Republican. Earth to supporters. THE PARTY DOES NOT WANT US. Get that through your heads.
Lets go around them. We may not win but we can cost them the election.
It is the message, not the man
If you can't figure that out, then it's possible that you're not needed here anyways.. now is the time to seperate the wheat from the chaff...;)
A third party ticket will NOT work.. anyone with a little experience in the political field knows this... it's a pipedream.
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
So is changing the
So is changing the Republican party or thinking you are going to win a delegate fight on the floor at the convention.
If that is the best idea the campaign has then they have wasted a lot of money.
Whoa! Wake up, Mac!
Do you know what day it is? It is the day before Super Tuesday and you should be writing to, talking to, and bumping and stumping the people in your precinct. Every day I make at least one Pauler of all the people I meet, many days two and more.
Get with the program. Stop trolling doubt-fueled distractions and get eloquent on the situation we're in so you can be effective at understanding what's real to the people you speak with daily in order to bring them up to speed on what's going down.
Thanks--really--for all you've done so far but, campaign strategy is aimed at tomorrow and time is an inventory that can't be replenished: don't waste or disrupt it!
Listen to Ron in any video or text you have to but support him and his ten terms of tenacity at turning things around! How many of these terms have you been with him?
The man knows what he's doing and he relies on all of our support as he has repeatedly stated.
It really is always darkest before the storm because it is the tightest focus of the impending moment of doubt vs hope. Understand which one you are contributing to with your actions. Whatever Ron does it will be by his decision at the time he needs to make it. Right now one the most critical moments of campaign strategy is about to unfold and one of its key elements is our bringing others into this camp for fresh support and new donations.
Let's go!
I am sorry but ya'll are
I am sorry but ya'll are just wrong. We can't reform the Republican party nor do I want to.
I am through wasting my time with this. I will spend my time getting my assets and resources ready for the economic hell that is about to be unleashed on this country.
Good luck spending all your time trying to reform a party that does not want you. That is a collosal waste of time and energy.
I wanted to actually have someone to vote for this year. I will vote for the Libetarian or Constitution Party candidate whomever he might be. I really wish it was Dr. Paul.
But I guess ya'll will still be trying to revive a dying patient in the Republican party. To HELL with the Republican party.
At one time I use to think
At one time I use to think as you did.. but I changed my mind as I tried to swing a lot of neo-cons back to sanity.
The Republican party is partly people like us, and people like Ron.. and it's partly this warmongering hateful zealotist religious bunch that wants to use force on people and create laws against immorality. They don't believe in limited government, they only believe in the power of the state to introduce their fascist dreams.
If Ron ran 3rd party. He would pull people like me and people like you away from the Republicans and they would be left with a sour bunch. He could possibly create a real alternative party.
I Agree
All of these other parties just get totally ignored. Look at the Libertarian Party. Ron Paul's message got way more attention so far than it ever did in 1988. As we know, it's the exact same message now as it was then.
The Neocons took over the Republican Party, so the Ron Paul Republicans can do the same. There's such a huge pool of people out there that can be tapped into that can overwhelm the current party and make the changes that are needed.
Ron Paul Says He will not run 3rd Party
politepaulite
Please read in his own words last 3 paragraphs. Now stop this and get him elected to this party
http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/5552
politepaulite
Well I am disapointed if
Well I am disapointed if that is his decision
Aaron Russo...
....took over the Republican party in his state and the Republican party just disassociated themselves with it and started up again with the "old guard." If Ron Paul got 15% or more of the vote on a 3rd party ticket, that 3rd party in the future would be in the debates, etc.
The Republican party is unredeemable and anyone who thinks it is is wasting everyone's time.