Think LONG TERM - Why 3rd party is bad & staying GOP is good!

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As Ron Paul himself has stated many times, the deck is completely stacked AGAINST all 3rd party candidacies -- they have to waste majority of their time and money attempting to get on the ballot, the Demopublican party prevents them from participating in Debates, etc.

Ron Paul MUST continue to run in the GOP primaries -- and we must stand by him (regardless of the official campaign's errors or inadequacies) -- for several IMPORTANT reasons:

1) If Ron STAYS in the race, while ALL the others drop out, he then become THE SOLE focal-point for dissent within the party (i.e. "Send a signal to the GOP -- we don't LIKE McCain!" ) And then Ron Paul BECOMES the "lesser of two evils" and that old meme works FOR US -- do NOT underestimate this, it is the BEST way to breach into double digits as we pickup many Huckabee AND Romney votes! (And if/when the GOP nominee LOSES the general election -- whether massively vs Obama or just barely vs Clinton -- we can emerge as the STRONGEST element within the party... saying "WE TOLD YOU SO!" -- and "Now join US and win, or get out of our way!")

ALSO, a VERY important side benefit is that the NEO-CONS (as illustrated by Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh) with their INSANE propensity for ILLOGIC -- are already in the process of REMOVING THEMSELVES from the Republican party (by LOUDLY voting/advocating Democrat or staying home).

2) The convention itself is still a long ways away. John McCain (or whoever the "anointed" nominee is after Super-Tuesday) could easily pop a blood vessel (while having a temper tantrum) or suffer an unexpected aneurysm (he's NOT looking too well these days) or start babbling even MORE nonsense, or be hit by the proverbial "bus" and suffer one of many possible different fates between now and the convention. (Among which AFTER Democrats convention -- which is far earlier -- they will likely begin attacking the "anointed" GOP candidate, even before the GOP picks one, by the convention Ron may be looking better and better to the GOP in general).

What I mean by this: Do you know HOW Barack Obama became a United States Senator?

Simple: He stayed IN THE RACE. He was not expected to win against well-funded Jack Ryan... then a little unexpected "scandal" thing happened on the way to the coronation, his crown got broken, and Jack Ryan left the race, virtually handing it to Obama. Republicans scrambled... but Obama won mainly because he was there.

3) One very IMPORTANT LONG-TERM aspect of this campaign is that a LOT of Liberty-minded people have gotten involved in their local GOP party groups. (You did too, didn't you? If not you're missing the point.) -- many of them have ALREADY stepped into local leadership roles, and IF WE STAY, more people can do so in the future! Which means we can CHANGE the party from within -- exactly as Ron Paul advocates.

If Ron were to LEAVE the party for an independent run, many of his supporter would either LEAVE those posts, or would be looked at as traitors. COMPLETELY NEGATING all the work that has been done at a local level, and destroying any chance for LONG-TERM reform.

4) We overestimate our Size and Abilities We look at the Meetup maps, we see over 1,500 groups with over 100,000 members and think WOW! And it *IS* an AMAZING accomplishment, but it is TINY. That's right, it is TINY compared to the size and scope of a full-blown MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY, even the minority Republican party is far larger. In my state, we have 29 meetups, and probably close to 1,000 meetup members. But our state has 72 counties, and 5.5 Million people. Our GOP has a presence, a party of some type within virtually every county.

(Aside: Many of the meetup organizers in cities around the country have hundreds of members in their groups and are quite proud of their "size" -- whereas many of the more rural groups have a dozen members or less. Strangely the size of the large meetups is not so much a demonstration of their group's prowess as it is their location -- they typically have a SMALLER percentage of their actual population. The rural groups often have two, three or even five times the ratio of the cities... but all groups are small compared to the size and history of the political parties.)

Our size in opposition to that party is minuscule, both in numbers and resources. BUT as a faction WITHIN those parties (whose members are often LESS involved than our own) -- we can use our "weight" to far greater affect -- especially if we do so LONG-TERM by accepting positions and duties within the party.

HOW? In most cases, simply by showing up on a regular basis, and volunteering. The local Congressional District Chairperson is in his late-twenties. How did he get to be District Chairman? Well, when he was just 19 (NINETEEN!) he volunteered to "help" as an "assistant" and became vice-chairman of the local COUNTY party -- mainly because there was no one else willing. Within 6 months, the local county party chairman retired and moved away -- by default he was promoted to County Chairman. When something similar happened two years later with the District Chairman, he was "promoted" to that spot -- again mainly because the OTHER county chairmen did not want to do the job. So basically by being there and volunteering (fool) with a few short years he is in charge of one of the major Congressional District party positions. If he persists, within a few years he may end up as state party chairman (a post which has already changed hands several times in the last few years).

So the point of it all is this -- Ron Paul spent the past 30 YEARS of his life -- 20+ of which working within the party. If we multiply that to THOUSANDS of "Ron Pauls" like us, and we remain dedicated to the cause, even for just ONE more election cycle... gaining ground and support along the way ...THEN how can we fail?

And a closing thought to echo the one in my first point above. If the GOP nominee is NOT Ron Paul then they will very likely LOSE the general election. When that happens, that previously "victorious" nominee will not look so good ...and his most "rabid" supporters will lose heart and essentially leave the party in disillusion (they will NOT attend meetings, in part out of shame). Which means in the LOCAL PARTY MEETINGS during the spring of 2009 -- when most LOCAL party officers are chosen -- We can step into the void and BECOME the Republican Party, be in control of the tiller, and turn the ship around to take advantage of the GROWING demographic-driven voters for Liberty!

THAT is why we must stay and fight the LONG fight. This is just one battle in a century long "war" and the winner is the group that stays for the LONG TERM and does NOT RETREAT. (Armys mainly lose wars NOT by dying, but by losing heart and running away.)

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100% on the money.

Ron is fighting the good fight--one that aims to recapture the Republican party as the one of freedom, prosperity, and peace.

"Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions." Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

I am in agreement with this post. Can we please put aside

these 3rd party discussions and focus all of our attention on engaging the voting public, one person at a time, and talking with them, not at them like the MSM does. Personal contact is so much more effective.

I disagree with several points

And see different solutions to others.

1. Dissatisfied republicans will not switich to Ron Paul, have you forgot how they laughed at him, and smeared him (and his supporters).

most Republicans are hierarchical, and listen blindly to the party leaders.

2. If something would happen to McCain, what makes you think the republicans, the same ones that banded together to cheat him out of the victory in Louisiana, will suddenly support him.

3. I generally agree, but how long can you remain active supporting pro war, and pro spending candidates ?

4. I agree with 4 as well. Right now we are too weak to win nationally. But rather than be a faction in a party, I think we should target states, and congressional districts. The only way to find out the ones to target is to have a presidential candidate. A little while back, Ron Paul would have received 12% with a Giuliani Clinton Race, I suppose a good showing would be 18 % with a few electoral votes. But, that would allow us to target governorships in the states we did well in. Representatives in districts we did well in, etc.

Like I've said alot, if RP wants to run for Congress again instead, or just take a rest, that's understandable, but WE NEED SOME CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT THIS FALL.

Not what we want... but what we need.

1. Dissatisfied republicans will not switich to Ron Paul, have you forgot how they laughed at him, and smeared him (and his supporters).

They did the same to Reagan in 1976, and *some* of them tried again in 1980... they changed their tune.

most Republicans are hierarchical, and listen blindly to the party leaders.

Don't know what fantasy world you live in or what the party is like near you, but around HERE, the republican party members do NOT just "listen blindly to party leaders" -- indeed far from it.

Yes, the general "sheeple Republican voters" listen blindly -- but to the MEDIA, not the party leaders.

The party members mostly think for themselves and have to be herded, enticed and even pushed (hint: it's called "GOTV") to support someone if they do NOT like them; if the dislike is palpable, like with McCain, they will balk at it and stay home. (And BTW, at voter vault training in nearby city a few weeks back, John McCain got ZERO votes in a hand-show poll during lunch. ZERO! Every other candidate had at least a handful.)

2. If something would happen to McCain, what makes you think the republicans, the same ones that banded together to cheat him out of the victory in Louisiana, will suddenly support him.

I don't KNOW that -- but if Romney and Huck drop out before then, then in the remaining primaries, RP will look a LOT more attractive -- plus, the economy (and even just boredom or sickening of McCain) may also have an effect -- the point is that NO ONE KNOWS.

3. I generally agree, but how long can you remain active supporting pro war, and pro spending candidates ?

Again, you are ignorant of LOCAL POLITICS -- most local politicians (state assembly, state senate, local county people, etc.) are concerned about local zoning laws, local crime, state government, state debts & taxes, etc. -- They are NOT mainly concerned with FOREIGN POLICY, indeed, they tend to be rather ignorant about such things (they are after all, just your neighbors -- they are not some powerful bogeymen!) -- and you have the opportunity to influence AND educate them.

4. I agree with 4 as well. Right now we are too weak to win nationally.

But rather than be a faction in a party, I think we should target states, and congressional districts. The only way to find out the ones to target is to have a presidential candidate. A little while back, Ron Paul would have received 12% with a Giuliani Clinton Race, I suppose a good showing would be 18 % with a few electoral votes. But, that would allow us to target governorships in the states we did well in. Representatives in districts we did well in, etc.

I assume you mean to do this OUTSIDE the Republican party? Then under which party?

And what about all of the candidates who are already working to be elected under a "Ron Paul Republican" banner? Will you abandon them? Oppose them? Have THEM destroy or abandon all the work they have already put into getting elected?

Like I've said alot, if RP wants to run for Congress again instead, or just take a rest, that's understandable, but WE NEED SOME CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT THIS FALL.

Well, as the philosopher Jagger once said: "You can't always get what you want," but as it turns out "if you try sometimes you get what you need."

**Fax the GOP**

Some friends and I have sent the GOP faxs saying that we will not vote or vote third party if the liberal Mccain gets the nod. I urge you guys to do like wise.

This is Spot On

This article is right on the money with this.

We have seen that, with less than a year of organizing how far we have come. Keep on pushing!

We haven't got a century to take this country back

from the elite. They will totally destroy it in the next couple of years. If they get their North American Union set up, we are done. We are far down the road to becoming a fascist police state. The time is now, and however we can get it done, we must do it this year. Ron Paul knows this, he knows we must act quickly, he said so a few times in his speech in Denver last week. I don't believe we even have another 4 years to wait. It must be done this year before it's too late.

But a 3rd party run is DOOMED.

I know you want to "pop" a magic pill and have Ron Paul elected and have everything be all rainbows again...

But it is NOT happening.

And all you (or Ron, or anyone else) will do is burn the many bridges -- and negate all of the work -- that a lot of us have labored (and are laboring) to create (delegates, party positions, party memberships, etc). A 3rd party run at this point in time would betray all of that.

Not to mention DESTROYING ALL CHANCES for the people running for office as Ron Paul Republican candidates.

I would venture to say that virtually ALL of the talk about 3rd party is coming from individuals who have had little or NO involvement as delegates or even joining their local GOP. (And in many ways, THEY are the problem, they want another Ross Perot, not a Ron Paul).

This country has survived 8 years of Clinton, and nearly 8 years of Bush. And in the past the country even survived nearly 20 years of fascist/socialist rule by Roosevelt and Truman.

This country IS headed for really hard times, and IMHO, it is actually TOO LATE to stop.

It WOULD be nice to win quickly, but it is best to plan for the LONG TERM WIN instead of doing all of these "groundhog-like" versions of popping your head above ground every four years, and then retreating back after seeing a scary shadow.

But the best way to RECOVER from it -- without letting the Neo-fascist/socialists destroy our country along with the economy -- is to position ourselves to be ABLE to jump in and USE the party system to TAKE this country back.

Agree with all your points and

even if staying in Repubs is uphill battle, third party is another kind of double uphill battle of even getting on the ballot and ANY media attention.

Excellent post!

I totally agree. The neocons hijacked the GOP and now they are on their way out. Many GOPers are getting old and will retire as well. We need to be there to pick up the slack and then get the train back on track and right the wrongs. We don't have time right now to change the laws and playing field that will allow 3rd parties an equal chance. In time we should open up the game to 3rd parties and promote fair competition, but we just don't have time in the short term. We must stick with the GOP and make it our own. The neocons did it starting 30 years ago and look how great it worked for them. Now we must take it back from those geezers.

No, STAY in the GOP

Huck and Romney will drop out and at the end it will be McCain vs Ron Paul.

USA is a two party system. PERIOD.

Can you see that debate,
a Pro peace and one Pro War?
a Pro freedom and one Pro Welfare state?
a Pro personal freedoms and the other Pro Governmnet control?

A quasi democrat vs a true Republican?

This will be good for the Ron Paul Revolution that is here to stay.

No Way Republican Party allows RP to obtain Nomination

Wake Up America!!!!!!!!

We cannot win or press forward constitional government inside the Republican or Democrat parties. Too late for that, wasting time and money trying.

RP has gotten all the mileage he can from the RNC, time to move to third party attack

KT

KT

The Problem with your analysis is.....

I thought the same thing in '96 when Pat Buchanan was gaining momentum and then the "Party" slammed him and let him go down....I thought by 2000 they would wise up and look what we got...Dummy Dubya......Even if Paulites join the GOP in record numbers they would STILL be compelled to support the nominee,namely John McCain in terms of public endorsements,money and time....The GOP won't learn ANYTHING until they are publicly punished by libertarians and conservatives voting elsewhere in the Fall....If not Ron,then either the Libertarian or Constitution Party candidates...The GOP is dead...

Ron Paul'08

I"m not saying we shouldn't support GOOD GOP candidates when the

y come along with money and resources....But we seriously need to have a 3rd Party in America to vote for.....I don't see the GOP changing much even in defeat...they never seem to learn....only perhaps when Reagan got the nod did the GOP appear to get it right....and then they proceeded to get stupid again....

Ron Paul'08

excellent post

I really wish people would STOP talking about a 3rd party run!

There is absolutely no reason to even think about it.

Ron Paul said he will continue thru the convention, and so we should all continue on with him.

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You make a great case

These points must be STRONGLY considered before taking the 3rd party route.

Great post!

A little long, but right on the money! :)

"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition." -- Thomas Jefferson

Bravo!

We must take back the GOP.

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