Tucker Carlson and Joy Behar on Bill Maher tonight..
Submitted by nateclarke on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 19:56
Don't see how those 3 won't mention the good Dr..
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What the Hell
Was Tucker on crack or what????
Keith Olbermann looked like he was scared to even sit by him, you will notice if you tivoed it that he kept looking at Bill Maher, with that" what the hell is wrong with Tucker Carlson". I thought Olbermann was going to jump up and run. Tucker was flipflopping on everything he was saying. He was also so loud I had to turn down the closed captioning. Over all it was a good show.
I read Tucker's last book
"we fear change, especially nickels"
Politicians, Partisans, and Parasites..
and I must say, the man is quite egotistical. I thought it really came thru on his appearance on Maher, but I don't think he hurt Ron Paul, he could have been more positive if he really supports him. Is the fact that it's become ok for paul supporter's to admit some dissent from some of his ideas a good thing? I'm an education major, I plan to teach english. I hate censorship but definatly think education should be a public service, free for everyone.
"we fear change, especially nickels"
Public Service
Why only education? Why not start with free food and shelter for everyone, since those are the most basic needs for human existence? And why stop there? What about free clothing? Free furniture? Free water? Free electricity? Free fridges? Free beer anyone?
The problem is that none of these things is truly free. You can't provide free education for everyone unless all teachers agree to work for free. All the "free" public services are paid for by taxes of one kind or another. There really is no such thing as a free lunch.
nothing worth having is free?
i mean, military defense is public, and I consider education as free to be not only universally beneficial to our nation, but essential toward maintaining an educated self-perpetuating culture that embodies freedom. I don't think public education should be force, but it should be there. everybody will benefit from having more educated people from within our own communities
I do however think the states should run education and agree with abolishing the federal govt. role
"we fear change, especially nickels"
Re: nothing worth having is free?
That's not what I said. I am merely pointing out that you ought to be careful about what you mean by the word "free". Goods and services can't be truly free unless they cost so little to produce that they are effectively infinitely abundant. Schools, public or private, require resources that must be paid for one way or the other. Thus, public education is not really free. It only appears "free" because the true cost is hidden in taxes. So what you are really saying is that people should be taxed so that everyone can enjoy the benefit of "free" public education.
For more libertarian views on taxes, I recommend this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/chodorov/chodorov10.html
and this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard149.html
Enjoy.
you know
teach a man to fish..
also, teach them the constitution
"we fear change, especially nickels"
Tucker the Journalist
On Bill Maher's show, Tucker the journalist really came through. What he was saying was true, that many people don't take the time to consider the man's entire platform. So from a strategic standpoint, we all grimace and groan, but logically speaking Tucker is dead on.
However, to contest, you don't have to agree with everything a candidate says to support him, and Tucker missed that. Maher admitted that he didn't support Paul's stance on eliminating the Dept of Ed but he still is unswayed in his perception of the man.
Finally, on a matter of personal ideology, I'm glad that Tucker spoke down about Americans for not wanted to really reduce government and take responsibility for their lives, because it's true. Liberty is dying, and the few who still support it are gathered in the Ron Paul Revolution.
I had to giggle when Tucker said...
that supporting Ron Paul is fashionable. I really believe that Tucker is a true RP supporter. Even reviewing clips from this past week (post debate)Tucker regularly responds to RP "I agree with you completely" and "amen to that" I really believe that Tucker's comments on the Mahr show were two fold 1) to increase interest..."it's fashionable to support who?, better check them out and 2) Tucker may fear a backlash of supporters who were drawn to Paul initially but then backed away because some of his ideas are radical. I must say that I do think some of RP's ideas are radical and I think it is just honest of Tucker to admit this. Also there could be some caluculation on the part of Tucker and BillMahr when both of them agreed that there are things that RP believes that they don't agree with, demonstrating that it is ok to support RP even if you don't agree with him on 100% of issues.
Tucker has been one of the few media personalities who regularly features RP and brings his name up in other discussions. Please continue to thank Tucker for his support.
Hestia
I like your first point
It does kind of feed the idea that there is an unheard sensation out there
Tucker could have mentioned RP when Dobson came up
That would have been an opportunity for him to say Christians can support Ron Paul. I can buy that Tucker would says Democrats aren't really for RP, but he did have the opportunity to plug RP.
Tucker was just being honest
Did you notice whenever he defended personal liberty or took a position even remotely pro-Paul no one applauded or anything. Not a peep. I think I actually heard crickets chirping during momentary pauses in the conversation. Meanwhile, they cheered the pro-socialized medicine Krugman was pushing when he wasn't blatantly campaigning for Hillary Clinton. IMHO he gave a realistic appraisal of the situations mentioned. Take his defense of using private security companies to protect contractors. I don't agree with the govt paying them with taxpayers' money (nor does Carlson, for that matter.) That should be the responsibility of the contractors. I'd rather have private security companies (whose employees are there by choice, I might add) risking their lives (again, by choice) to protect contractors. I was appalled at Krugman's assertion that he'd rather have U.S. soldiers (who are not there by choice) guarding diplomats and CONTRACTORS. So overall I think carson did his job of pointing out a lot of the absurdities on both sides. At least he points out the govt transfer of wealth and property rights, etc.
BTW I don't think he was being anti-Paul. I think he was being anti-liberal by pointing out that Maher's audience doesn't support Paul's belief in limited govt and personal and economic freedom as was evidenced by the lack of response to any idea or position even close to Paul's.
Tucker's still OK in by book. At least he has an audience and is openly pro-Ron Paul before that audience.
I just think tucker who
I just think tucker who knows what he is talking about.....looks around at the Libs(who have always loved big Govt) loving Ron Paul and is amazed by it.
(I am too)
The Hollywood left are still in the "anybody but Bush" mode. If they really took the time to read just how limited, Ron's (ie the Constitution's) limited Govt means, they would never speak of Ron again. This is tuckers point.
I think Tucker knows Paul, I think Tucker knows how Left (ie Pro-govt)the MSM is. He sees the trainwreck coming.
(I would have handled it better than Tucker....maybe)
I respectfully disagree. I
I respectfully disagree. I know many Democrats who support Ron Paul as the best person to lead this country. Yes, many Democrats are for complete socialism, but many are fiscally conservative as well (for instance, Blue Dog Democrats who are supposed to care about such things as the national debt). An RP presidency wouldn't immediately mean that every federal building in DC would be shut down-- anyone who believes that is whistling Dixie. He would instead just go for a more limited government, and that's something many Democrats can get behind. I disagree with your assertion that people "would never speak of Ron again." Some people also just support an honest politician no matter what party he's in.
Can someone please explain to me...
why (Behar) some people have 'Abortion' on the top of their priority list this election? I've met a couple of people like Behar, could care less about anything else, just save my right to abort. If they really cared about this country, they'd do their research and see what RP thinks about it, why, and what he would do/not do.
I'm really angry. Woke up to the news this morning that a soldier from our local area was killed in Iraq today.
Behar is always on about the war, but what was her only question in this show about RP. But he isn't pro choice is he? Grrrrrrrr.
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I agree....
What difference will "choice" make if you are standing in a bread line after the economy completely collapses?
But yes, it SHOULD be a state issue - as Dr. Paul says.
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www.vaclib.org
Tucker was an ASS...
Tucker stopped the pro RP talk intentionally. He's more interested in telling everyone that "I liked him first....you don't even know what he stands for." Bill is VASTLY more popular than Tucker and we could have reached a lot of people.
He was an ASS the entire show and I'm done with him.
Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until t
Tucker WAS an ass when he
Tucker WAS an ass when he said... "can we all stop pretending to love ron paul because if people really knew what he stands for they would be appalled".. paraphrasing...
That feeds into the moonbat idea... especially for anyone with just a limited negative knowledge of Ron Paul..
With friends like Tucker... Dr. Paul needs to be VERY wary of his enemies!!
Peace
Supportive, Sarcastic, or just Stupid
At first I couldn't figure out if Tucker was being supportive, sarcastic, or stupid. I watched it again and I think it was maybe a little of each. He was trying to differentiate Paul from the left, but might have gone too far. He's not the brightest bulb.
The important thing was name recognition. 40 to 60% of people still don't know who Ron Paul is. At this point, no publicity is bad.
Supportive
As others have said the first hurdle for Dr. Paul is winning the Republican Primary. I have seen many hosts like Rush and Hannity try to label Dr. Paul as a leftist becuase of his position on the war. What is funny is that both Rush and Sean seem to want a Reganesque anti-government politician to come to the front. They just don't want Dr. Paul becuase they love this war for some reason I don't fully understand. So I think what Tucker was trying to do is get Republicans to understand how much of a limitied government guy Ron Paul is. Because the simple truth is if Ron wins the nomination he will be the next president. Remember the Regan blowouts?
Rush and Sean love the war because
they love Bush. They've spent a lot of time visiting with Bush - from what I can recall when I used to listen to those dummies.
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Have you noticed.......
If you listen to the Rush show, or Hannity, and even Laura what'shername, almost all of their commercials are from public sponsered government branches, with few exceptions, like Ruth's Chris Steak House, and Rush's cigar friends. They are "unofficial" press secretaries for the White House.
These folks love to tout themselves as real conservatives, but won't even give Ron Paul a mention, much less support. It's gotta make you wonder. Did you folks see where General Sanchez has even come out and admitted our involvement in Iraq is doomed to failure. Too many mistakes have been made, he said.
alan laney
I read that article. We are being lied to, over and over again
Do a google search for "Scott Ritter" and a youtube search (if you haven't already)
Scott Ritter... "is noted for his role as a chief United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998, and later for his criticism of United States foreign policy in the Middle East. Prior to the US invasion of Iraq in March, 2003, Ritter publicly argued that Iraq possessed no significant weapons of mass destruction (WMDs)."
He has also for over a year now, been saying the same about Iran. Knowing now what 'really' happened in Iraq, should anyone be willing to believe what Bush and his Administration are saying about Iran?
All I know is, we need to be working even harder than we already are to educate others.
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Subjective Limited Goverment
In trying to convey the aspects of a "limited government" political platform such as Ron Paul's, I have found that everyone is all for getting rid of "big government" as long as "they" don't get rid of the part of"big government" that I like.
Listen closely to what he says... Tucker is damned good...
And I never wanna hear a bad word against him again.... :) It's fashionable, everybody loves Ron Paul, everyone wants to support him... But if they knew his beliefs, -and starts to mention the positive beliefs with a "no one really wants the constitution"... First, he is turning RP into a "popular" thing so that we are NOT on the outside anymore, people WANT to be a part of our movement... Next, he shames the conservatives out there into respecting their own rhetoric... This was a frickin' brilliant interview...
This is how they have manipulated us for so long! Now, we are watching it being done to the remaining population in a pro-RP way.
People wanna back a winner... Stupid, I know... We are all beyond that now, but many haven't moved past that, and if we convince people that RP is a winner, then we will get support just for the fact that they think it is a popular thing....
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Very, Very, Dry Humor
When Tucker was talking about going back to The Constitution and ended with: "...and actually taking responsibility for themselves. Nobody wants that." with such a straight face, I burst out laughing! Yes, he is good.
Great points
Thanks for your thoughts . . . I'm revising my previous assessment of this interview.
p.s don't think for a minute that Maher's only audience are Left
I am conservative and have always liked Maher. I don't agree with everything he says and does, but mostly, yes... He is a fairly common sense kinda guy... Not radical Left. And claims to be libertarian (of course so does Bill O... lol)
This was in part to shame the conservatives AND to make the point that RP is NOT a liberal in conservative clothes just because Dems like him too... He attacked, IMO, every conservative that doesn't support Ron Paul by saying, "who really wants to take responsibility for their own lives".
We can use more attacks like this... :)
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
His core audience is Left...
was my point. Was I the only one cheering on the inside when Tucker said that? Yet, nothing from Maher's audience. I say to them in the words of King Arthur of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, " You make me sad."
Someone needs to remind Maher, though, when he speaks of other peoples' selfishness and lack of sacrificefor others, that he's not exactly living a life of voluntary poverty and giving all his wealth, other than what he needs to survive, to others. Not even a small portion of his wealth. When it's a CEO he's greedy but, when it's an entertainer- he's somehow earned the right to enjoy the fruits of his labor.
Sounds Familiar
I think Tucker could end up being Ron Paul's version of Karl Rove on this.
Garnering support from conservative Republicans through pointing out who shouldn't support Ron Paul and why.
Sorry to use such an evil man, but it's a political tactic, I think, so that Ron Paul wins the primary.
He has no intention of running for third party, and is very strict on that.
So for Ron it shows his guts in the matter, it's all or nothing people.
And was even helped out...
The thing about him being pro-life... Let me ask ya, it may turn of the Dems, but it was a very CLEAR way to distinguish him from the liberals.
And it may have been my imagination, but it almost felt like she didn't want to say it. Like it was a dirty little secret that she wished she didn't have to share, but had to...
So she shared it, probably turned off some Dems, but probably made a lot of conseravtives say, "oh, maybe this gut deserves looking up".
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...