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John Zogby 'BAFFLED' by lack of Paul Votes

This a.m. John Zogby was on C-SPAN and said that he was "baffled" that RP had not had a better showing in the primaries so far. He stated that RP's support is strong and dedicated and that the campaign has done a good job getting his message out. He also said that RP has a 'clear message' but that lack of support at the polls is evidence that people are supporting a candidate that they believe can beat the Democrats.

Of course we know there is not much difference between Clinton and McCain, but so many Americans latch onto the MSM's talking points when deciding on a candidate.

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I actually think

that it is a little of everything here mentioned. I can't tell you how many people have asked me, Do you think he has a chance? I really don't understand their thinking, if they would think for themselves and vote for him he would win. I also think there has been fraud, I can't prove it, but even my local election commission has lied to me and this woman has been here 16 years, how do I know she is not rigging things. How are they held accountable? I also think there are some really uniformed, I don't care, listen to the tv, type people. You also get I voted for him because he looked good or they promised me health care. I did have good news though, my mother-in-law voted for Dr. Paul and me (I'm a delegate), she also convinced her sister, who had no idea who she was voting for, and she convinced her boss. I also belong to a food co-op that has 16 members and they have quite a few children who are of voting age and will all be voting for Dr. Paul today. This is here in Tennessee.

nothign baffling about it

its called rigged elections.

Baffled?

I was baffled after Iowa, and even more so after New Hampshire. Then, I started to analyze numbers.

You do realize that approximately 400 people in Iowa meetups didn't bother to caucus. You also realize that about 2500 people identified as Paul supporters caucused in the Democrat caucus for Obama. Thanks. We appreciate that a lot. That could have been the difference for a third place and media attention. Nice. Nice you think sign waves and making videos are more important than actually voting.

Found out the same things happened in New Hampshire as well. Yet, all we hear is about "voter fraud", and how the GOP is "stealing" votes from Dr. Paul. Like that didn't drive away Republicans receptive to the Paul message...

That leads to Nevada. Instead of actually registering as a Republican EARLY, everyone wants to complain about rules being changed. Instead of getting involved in the Republican Party because of Ron Paul, many Nevada supporters tried to wait until the last minute, which again, cost us votes. Same thing in Louisiana. Although, shenanigans did take place with other candidate's delegates that need to be investigated, if the Ron Paul supporters would have registered Republican earlier, the whole provisional mess could have been avoided. Not to mention, that time could have been used at GOP gatherings to promote the Ron Paul message to the general GOP folks.

Here in North Carolina, there are still people in the meetup who are whining about party change deadlines, when they were told in AUGUST to change their party ASAP.

Personally, I see many RP "supporters" as those who want to raise holy hell any time they can, but did NOTHING when it came to trying to be accepted by the Republican party. Maybe if instead of waving signs and posting videos for the 900th time, you actually went down to your county elections board and registered as a Republican. Maybe if you'd actually go to a GOP event, you'd actually be welcomed and be allowed to explain why you support Dr. Paul. They may not agree with you, but you aren't going to be kicked out as long as you are respectful.

Baffled? No, not any more.

Bravo

You hit the nail on the head. For you cry babies out there who did not change party affiliation, PISS OFF, I am blaming you so called RP supporters for the numbers being low.

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
Quoted By: GIVE ME FREEDOM

I love that post...probably MUCH closer to the truth

than all the paranoid rantings of rigged votes. Sure, the other candidates are going to marshall all necessary resources to prevent Paul from winning a state, as in Maine. However, they did it legally and according to the rules.

You presented some key data! That supposed Paul supporters ended up caucusing with the Democrats for Obama. I fear that a good minority of supposed Paul supporters are simply attracted to the anti-war message, but remain nanny-state socialists at heart. Why else would 2500 "supporters" go with Obama? What a joke. And meetup group members didn't even bother to caucus? This is how the group expects to WIN an election...

huh wheres the proof of this?

this is verified? i dont buy it

paul supports are waking into dirty pool. they change their party registration and they gop "loses its" accidentally. ooops. paul supports are more likely to get hit by this kind of fraud than others because many have changed parties. stop being so negative.

have to agree with you there

bump this post

It's Called VOTER FRAUD!!!

and it is being perpetrated across the entire United States via voting machines. Of course Ron Paul has the support.

Likely what's going on is every third vote for Ron Paul gets tallied as one for McCain. Watch the fox news video about how easy it is to tamper with the machine especially if you made the machine and fully support the Bush Administration as Diebold does, this shouldn't be surprising.

Wake up people, did you really think it would be so easy to overturn a hundred years of history via electronic voting machines?

There Will Be Blood if Ron doesn't get the nomination! And it will be your blood as a soldier having been drafted to fight wars that have only to do with the price of oil and our baseless currency.

lemmings

I saw him on cspan this morn too and I am baffled as well. I first heard of Dr. Paul after the 1st debate. he was a curiosity to me, but i wasn't a supporter. I wasn't a supporter of anyone. as time went on, I saw more video clips, watched a couple of debates and became more interested. I didn't think he had a snowball's chance though. just before the 1st money bomb I watched closely with all the excitement bouncing around on forums and wondered if you guys could pull it off, and you did. I took the pitcher of kool-aid and started passing it around to friends and family and strangers. the donations coming in outpacing the competition and the straw poll results gave me hope. it was more than 'spammers'. I believed there was interest, but would it translate into real people in the real world? It appeared a struggle, but a struggle that was winnable.

NH disappointed me because I believed that would be the breakthrough state. I talked with people in and out of the party. convinced democrats to support Dr. Paul, ones that never had voted republican before. convinced people that had dropped out of the political scene to take a look and saw the hope in their eyes that Dr. Paul was something real and not just another republicrat that didn't care. the only group that I had trouble with were the die hard republicans. the higher up in the party they were, the more anti-Paul they were.

just like zogby, I was baffled. Ron is Reaganesque, which the GOP sees as the second coming. Ron is for liberty, the constitution, has the military support, is bringing in young people in droves, raising more money, creating a real buzz, yet they resisted. I don't get into the CFR/new world order stuff (not that the people that do are wrong, just not my focus) but there is some real resistance by the party. the party that Dr. Paul represents to a tee. the party that knows what is wrong with this country and that the other candidates have no clue. yet the are afraid of voting for Dr. Paul.

the voters are getting this from the media and party officials and it is trickling down that he can't win and we need to win. we need to beat the democrats. we need to be more like the democrats to beat them. lemmings. people are lemmings. I am so disgusted with the GOP. I am still promoting Dr. Paul, keeping a brave face for the people I speak with. I am voting for Dr. Paul in November period. I am voting libertarian for those running and democrat for the other offices. The GOP will get no votes from me. I plan to use the lemmings to see that the republican nominee can't win (unless a major miracle happens and we do get Dr. Paul on the ballot) and they should send a message by voting for Dr. Paul. try to convince them that voting for a McCain or Romney is wasting a vote since he can't win. follow me little lemmings over the cliff and send a message that we don't approve of the GOP candidate. If they're unwilling to write in Dr. Paul's name, vote democrat fro president. If unwilling to do that, just leave that blank and vote for the other offices they want to.

I haven't given up, though I know it sounds like it. I just needed to vent. This will probably be my last election which breaks my heart, but if Americans can't see what is in front of them, what is right and true, then I need to plan my escape after November. I had 90% given up after bush and the repub congress pissed away the chance they had to show the country fiscal restraint and what a smaller federal government looked like. that was what I thought I was voting for. Dr. Paul gave me hope. I pray he (and all you guys) give me hope again, but honestly I'm losing it. Maybe when I get his new book, maybe a win somewhere, maybe events will lead to a convention swing for Dr. Paul. maybe...

is this the same....

CIA operative who's polls didn't mention Ron Paul's name or subjected Ron Paul responders to degrading & offensive questions? Is this the same gentlemen who labored to shape, rather than reflect public opinion?

Zogby

what a pri ck. I think everyone should write this guy. I listened to him and rasmusen on Sean Hannity's show every day. NOT ONCE did he himself ever even mention Dr. Paul. Don't let this guy play like he supported Dr. Paul. He is one of them and kept the facts hidden to the public.

The othere thing I am hearing reported over and over and over is people are voting for Romney. Many Many voters are calling in to radio shows saying they would love to have Ron Paul but they heard or did not believe he can win. This is a sad day. I know we are going to a brokered convention but what the F? Are we America? This is crazy.

nothing disgusts me more than vote to win people.....

This is not some kind of sick competition, do people really get off on being on "the winning team"???? If you haven't educated yourself, or are just out to vote "for the winner" (or the perceived media anointed winner), then do us all a favor and stay home on election day, you are a disgrace to your country.

These people have no respect for voting or for liberty, what a bunch of worthless sheep!

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

Demons are hard to cast out of the possessed

Us succeeding in restoring the Constitution would mean untold trillions in lost future revenue for the kleptocrats. And those who are currently sucking at the teat generally feel they are entitled; that is the nature of elitism. So, logically, more than a couple of them would stop at literally nothing to retain their parasitic privilege - media control, dirty tricks, voter fraud, or more ... much more.

At the same time, the average American remains ignorant, in thrall, and afraid of change or what s/he regards as "risk" (any change is "risk" - which is why more people don't move out of ghetto neighborhoods).

We will need to continue on with what we have started. Given the shocking facts and logic of our message, and its conflict with almost a century of indoctrination and bad habits, we have done extremely, extremely well. Many of those touched by the full message have already awoken and will not easily go back to sleep. There are others who have the basics of the message who will need more time and, perhaps, more harsh examples of what this country is becoming and going, before they will willingly mull the possibility that they have been duped and they have been wrong. The abused often defend their abuser for a time - it is the structure of dysfunction and how it perpetuates itself through the generations.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wishful thinking! Republican Party has already spoken, no RP for President in their party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are 20 years too late to think we can change congress and take a slow approach to fixing America,
The time is now!! With everything we can throw at the polical process to get our man RP in office.
That means third party and lots of money selling the idea to American's.
If we fail, America will fall into a socialist state.

WAKE UP AMERICA, this is our last dance before closing time, lets make it a good one.

KT

KT

America already IS a socialist state

And it has been predominately that for most of a century. But I will allow that we are likely about to go to a much more totalitarian version of socialism; Hillary apparently is publicly refusing to defend the Constitution and the other approved contenders are not really much better in that regard.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

I'm not suprised.

I know that there are more RP supporters than what the polls say , and the amount of votes he is getting. The truth of the matter is, there are alot of RP supporter that refused to change their party affiliation in states that require you to register republican to vote for Ron in the republican caucuses and primaries. I'm not going to say what I wanted to those RP supporters who did not change parties to vote for Ron because it wouldn't be nice.

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
Quoted By: GIVE ME FREEDOM

Do not promote third party...

If Ron Paul runs third party he will split the republican vote, if Ron Paul stays in the Republican race he will split the republican vote. So bottom line he needs to stay with the party he represents or you will really see a media blackout and not hear his name even when the MSM makes fun of a candidate. He needs to stay the course and split the party and make the GOP realize that they have failed so miserably not only in running the country, but excluding many constituents who vote for Paul and are true conservatives. We are a force to be reckoned with at the polls, we may not win, but we will wake up the GOP to the realization that they cannot win without our votes! this is the most important thing we can accomplish short of putting Ron Paul in the White House. They have shunned us, laughed at us, called us names, minimized the revolution, and we will not take it. We will show them that it is they that have hijacked the conservative party, not the other way around. Do not stray and waste your vote for the lesser of two evils, vote for Ron Paul and let the GOP know that this is OUR party and always has been, they are the ones that have invaded with their Neo Conservative movement. Hold strong to your values, support the one man that will make meaningful change, and do not sway from your principles. Let us make a stand as we are well over a million strong, active voters that refuse to allow our voices to be completely shut out. We can make a difference, we can take our party back, and when we split this vote I can assure you that next election we will not be ostracized by the party that represents (or used to) our beliefs. Stick to your principles and vote for Ron Paul for the Republican primary, and if Ron Paul does decide to run third party then vote for him there, but lets allow the good Dr. to make that call instead of advertising that we are defeated before the votes are cast.

Dam politicians, not rivers!

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

You are correct

"We are a force to be reckoned with at the polls, we may not win, but we will wake up the GOP to the realization that they cannot win without our votes! this is the most important thing we can accomplish short of putting Ron Paul in the White House."

I agree, for the short term. In the bigger picture, the most important thing is to hang together (via the internet), and continue challenging and educating people out of their thrall.

Circumstances seem to indicate that we are tipping into a severe recession which will likely become recognized, at least in the rear view mirror, as a Greater Depression and a collapse to a much lower position in the global balance of economic power (military power will probably persist for some decades, but it is hard to deploy weapons when a nation is insolvent and its lines of credit get pulled).

Anyway, time is on OUR side so long as things don't become totalitarian-style violent even as time is AGAINST The Powers That Be.

Educate; make sure the propaganda your children are fed via the TV and the public schools is counterbalanced. Read your children books such as "A Wrinkle in Time" and "Animal Farm", so they will learn to recognize, on a deep level, that all is not what it seems.

Keep ÉTIENNE DE LA BOÉTIE's thoughts on the nature of "voluntary servitude" in mind if you get discouraged (http://www.constitution.org/la_boetie/serv_vol.htm). We do not need a "majority" to win; only persistence enough to reach a tipping point of maybe 12% of a stubbornly self-reliant voting public. That is really the lesson of ALL revolutions - including our own in 1776. The other lesson, of course, is to beware of getting shanghaied when victory finally arrives.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

It`s a WAR

HYDROMAN
We are trying to dethrone powers that have been dug in since 1913. They will do anythig and everything to remain in power! This will not be easy and it may not happen in this election cycle. This movement must stay together and promote the message of Dr. Paul and our Constitution.
"Don`t let the dirty bastards drive you down"

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Election Fraud

It has been confirmed at nearly every single primary. There is no question about it.

--
Remember: Debt is a form of slavery.

The reason is the smears WORKED

Willy Horton worked, swift boat worked, saying Romney had a timetable worked for McCain in FL, "In your gut you know he's nuts" worked against Goldwater.

The RP smears worked.

Well than lets do something about it!

We all complain about how biased the media is. We don't have to prove that any longer, we all know that they are. It is now time to do something about it. The blimp was a cool idea but soon deflated, we need to spend our cash more wisely and on something that will actually get the message out to more than those bird-watching individuals in South Carolina. We need to finally do something productive about this issue. Let's stop complaining and spend some more time starting up our own television station! It will be a lot of work, but it would be worth it. Unbiased, uncorrupted, and unspun news. If you would like to join me and several other individuals who are already starting up this network, please email me at justin@mass-appealmedia.com

Ron Paul has my vote!

Three possible answers

1) Election rigging/intentional "discrepancies" built in on every level.

2) "Official" Ron Paul campaign failing ,miserably to SUPPORT the grassroots momentum, enthusiasm, effort, creativity, etc. with detailed work on election/delegate/ballot procedures, etc. I.E. TRANSLATE what Zogby is tallking about into VOTES.

3) The sheeple got scared. Boomers and their parents heard "kill the IRS" and instinctively felt that it meant that their social security, medicare, and general "me" society they have carefully crafted over the past 40 years were coming to the end before they left this planet. The younger sheeple are no better - they saw some old guy challenging them to THINK and suggesting they take rersponsibility for their own life and they just tuned out.

Fixing all of the above is unfortunately going to take time (like years). I hope this country will be worth saving then.

"Luctor et Emergo" - Struggle and Emerge

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

The Republican Party will not allow Ron Paul to be nominated as their man to run for president.

Get over it and lets move on with the strongest third party run in American History.

Stop wasting time and valuable money on a party that doesn't even give us the time of day.

KT

KT

bingo!

Hear hear!

"Luctor et Emergo" - Struggle and Emerge

Let's face it...

If CNN, FOX, et al, spent as much time showing Ron's HUGE rallies like the Monday night one that drew 4,200 people, others would take notice and say, hmmm, all those people can't be wrong. Success begets success, but NOT IF YOU DON'T SHOW PEOPLE. Grrrrrrr.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

A friend of mine...

drives a long-haul truck weekly from North Carolina to the West Coast. He told me last night that he literally sees hundreds and hundreds of Ron Paul signs from one side of the country to the other (with hardly any signs for the other candidates).

I wish HQ would create an official "I support Ron Paul" list. I think it would do the movement a lot of good to find out how many million of us are out here.

Super Tuesday Sign Wave

Get out there! Some people reported that they did not vote for Ron Paul because they thought he had dropped out. It's the old media that are the problem. We have to fight tooth and nail.

IMissLiberty

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This is why Paul

recently hired a new media director and political director. The campaign television commercials were ineffective at getting an inspiring message across. Hopefully it's not a case of too little too late.