living within our means
Submitted by tucker17 on Thu, 02/07/2008 - 20:00
We've all heard RP Talk about debt and how it's the basis for the system that we so despise, so how are each of us coping with it and what are we doing about it.
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Thanks for posting this thread
because it reminds me of my mother who grew up during the depression.
My mom would say things like: A penny saved is a penny earned. Waste not want not. Save for a rainy day. Early to bed early to raise makes a person healthy wealthy and wise. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
etc. There are many good suggestions here but everyone needs to evaluate their own situations. The best time to prepare for bad times is before they hit
so if you still have a job take time and devise a plan. Look around you where do you live can you put in a garden, could you can what you grow. Do you have people you trust or could work with bartering. Will you be able to stay in your home? When my dad went to war in 1942 he built a chicken shed in my moms backyard so she would have eggs and meat while he was gone. Our ancestors had challenges and so will we. Peace
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Personally
I live beneath my means but I get very pissed when the government comes up with schemes to debase the currency or bail out idiots at the expense of tax payers. Prudent people are the ones who get plundered the hardest.
I am saving money and buying some precious metals. Trying to be smart, keep my cash out of troubled banking institutions, trying to get the right amount of supplies in case of more serious dislocations and generally just trying to educate myself.
Check out my website for some of my perspective (dating back to 2005) on the economy, politics, etc.:
www.ponderthis.net
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Trying as well....
...ordering heritage seeds, and I have my composter up and running. Put all non-meat and non-dairy scraps in there, small branches, leaves. I can't wait to start growing all of my own produce in the raised beds I'm building for the spring. Also going to buy some rain water catch barrels to put under the downspouts. I'd love to go solar, but that would cost about 75k. Ugh.
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
You are right
Living within our means is one of the things Paul is so adamant about. So many of his votes in congress center on that core fiscally responsible discipline. The debt that can cause so much grief in our personal life can cause grief on a national scale as well. This is something the average person can relate to very well.
For me personally, we shop craigslist and ebay alot. No credit card debt which a huge one. Reasonable and affordable transportation since cars so often are a huge waste of money. Reasonable housing, which means we didn't buy more house than we could afford. These combined have left us very comfortable but certainly not rich either. To see how these simple cost savings add up, see my youtube video under Sandelie. Yes, that's 200 one hundred dollar bills with my custom Ron Paul stamp on them. You don't have to make very much to make a comfortable living IF you avoid wasteful spending. The money we save on credit card interest, buying stuff new, lower mortgage payments, and affordable transportation REALLY adds up fast.
We shop at yard sales
You can find just about anything
you need.I have never been to a beautyshop,cut my own hair,never had my nails done.We eat whatever is on sale
and fill our pantry with those items.We built our own house,don't use our credit cards,don't eat out.If something breaks down,we fix it.We drive used cars,help our neighbors
and they help us.
bump
This is a good topic. :)
Ideas
If you have paid around 15% of your mortgage, you might be able to get rid of your mortgage insurance. Look at your contract. It only protects the loan company. Expect a fight. They love those free dollars rolling in. They will let you pay for it forever if you never figure it out.
Insurance - if you have no intention of filing a claim for small damage because your rates might go up, you might want to increase your deductible and lower the rate. You'll have to pay for small things, but if something big happens you're still covered. We did this with health insurance too. I pay out of pocket for a lot of stuff, but save money in the long run.
Look up different insurance companies and see what they are rated. If they are rated high in customer satisfaction, see what kinds of rates they can give you.
Every now and then we sit down and think of things we can cut back on. We check out a lot of books from the library instead of buying them. We watch movies from the library too. They are only $1 there.
I still have credit cards
but I pay them off entirely every month. Also, once I decided to save for retirement I did so aggressively, about 2/5ths of my gross. I totaled my car on an icy stretch, put most of the insurance payment in a high-interest account, and bought a clunker for less than a third of what I received. I rent, shop at thrift stores and WalMart, and eat low on the food chain. No smokes, a very infrequent beer or wine, etc., and I normally eat out less than once a month. I try to live by Nancy Reagan's advice, "Just say no," when it comes to spending money.
I keep a few months' worth of food, water, and gasoline on hand and invested in precious metals for troubled times.
New Hampshire and Ecuador
Please don't
shop at Wal-Mart. They are destroying america. After finding out the truth we have boycotted Wal-Mart. You have the right to make your own decisions, but I politely ask that you do not shop at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club.
See the movie "Wal-Mart: High Cost/Low Price"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3836296181471292925
Thank you
Get out of Debt
that is our new goal. Any extra money my wife and i get goes towards paying down debt. Suddenly the only things that seem important are our home and food/necessities. I cannot fathom all the money people waste on worthless crap. Cable, expensive vehicles, video games, giant tv's are just a waste.
No more payments
We sold both our vehicles to start with. I sold my new pickup and got my old bronco up and running again, while the wife sold her expedition and we bought her a $3500 1999 Chrysler 300m off craigslist. We now can have liability insurance and because of that and no payments we save about $1000 per month. Add to that the gas savings between the expedition and her "new" car and it gets up to about $1200/mo saved. We also entered into debt repayment for her three credit cards so that the interest would go down and all I have to do is cut one check.
We are getting our house ready to put on the market by next year so that we can buy some land with profits. We got a great deal on a beautiful home and all it has taken so far is simple projects to really increase our value and equity. All materials used were bought either on clearance, on sale, at estate sales, or off craigslist. Windows from home depot were about $250 apiece, whereas I found even better windows on Ebay and I got 15 for $750, you do the math. We had to drive to Dallas and back so add about $60 in gas but man did it save us money.
Now instead of buying random useless crap off of ebay I get my shopping fix buying silver bars, coins, and gold bars (1-5 gram bars). It is fun and you can actually sit and look at your investment. Works great for us.
We plan on selling the house and what profit we make, expected to be around 25k, we're going to use to build our new home and become completely debt free. I have stockpiled good used framing lumber and large nice post and beams from old barns for framing up a spacious open home. Everything I use will be bought from craigslist, ebay, the local paper, estate sales..whatever gets me good material cheap.
I agree with what I read below, one of the best things to do is cook at home. We hardly ever eat out any more and I love to cook so it works out. Once you get used to that you can slowly start getting off the canned biscuits, pancake mixes, and etc...it is much cheaper to spend an extra 15 minutes making your own stuff and the flour and such is very cheap and easy to store. Just yesterday I found 32oz packages of great thick sliced bacon on sale for $1.99. The problem? It needed to be sold OR frozen by Feb 12. I normally buy these same packages for about $6.99 each so I promptly bought 15 packages and threw them in the deep freeze...yummy yummy bacon! BLT's galore in our future..LOL
Get off the credit system. If you can't afford to pay cash, you honestly don't need it. Be patient and keep your eyes open, you'd be surprised at how many things just happen to come along. Impulse buying can kill your finances and is a horrible habit. If your going to get your shopping fix buy something useful for the crap that is coming, especially some gold and silver.
Sorry for the rambling.
"While there's leaves in the forest
And foam on the river,
MacGregor, despite them,
Shall flourish forever!"
Sir Walter Scott
Sounds like you have given
Sounds like you have given up on Paul for President! :) This economy can be fixed, you know...
Some of us
Have been aware of what's going on and have been preparing for a few years tho.. before RP decided to run.
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
Cooking at home and for
Cooking at home and for yourself is key, I think also --- not only is it SO much healthier, but it never fails to astound me how much more expensive it is to eat out routinely --- like 10 times as much. And you don't have to cook every single day; I cook big pots of stuff for myself, then freeze the majority of it in separate containers, and only have to cook a main course maybe one day out of four or five. Really, cooking at home does NOT have to take much time! Especially if you have kids who can help for even a few minutes chopping vegetables, peeling, etc.
agreed
I sometimes will do prep work on Monday or Tuesday for several meals to come. Then you don't have the prep work, you don't have most of the mess, and it takes no time to put a meal together.
You also learn a system when you cook big things at home. We love some good chili around here so every couple of weeks I'll make a big pot of chili. We buy brauts (sp?), kraut, buns, and tostitos. That way everyone doesn't get tired of just chili, they can make a whole slew of different things even chili spaghetti which is an all-time favorite here. If we do get tired of it after a few days it goes to the freezer so when we decide to have some chili-dogs or indian tacos the chili is already there for us!
Our deep freeze helps us tremendously especially when you find 2lb thick sliced bacon for 1.99 when it's regularly 6.99. Buy it up and throw it in the deep freeze! If you keep the deep freeze full then it doesn't have to work very hard to stay cold because everything is frozen. I fix empty spots with bags of ice for our "gatherings" that always come around. That way since our deep freeze is outside in the garage we can switch off the electricty for sometimes a full day or two at a time. We've never lost any food and really there's no sense in running a deep freeze when its sitting outside in 20 degree weather AND packed with ice. :O)
Oh yeah, and any outside shopping we do is now done at thrift stores, goodwill, estate sales, garage sales, craigslist, ebay, or the local paper. Wal-Mart doesn't get any of my money any longer.
Yay!! DOWN with Walmart!!
Yay!! DOWN with Walmart!! Oh, how I hate that place...
Don't buy a brand new car unless
you are out of debt and can pay cash for it. Go for a lower than average mileage car that is 5 - 7 years old and pay cash for it. We did this for our family car (a 1993 Buick) in 1999 and am still driving it today. The other car we have is a 1981 Toyota that I bought used in 1982 - it still runs great, why replace it. I took a loan out to buy my Toyota, paid it off early in 1984 - haven't had a car payment since. We don't buy anything on a credit card that we can't pay off entirely at the end of the each month - the interest saved is substantial. We bought an adequate house in 1999 with the largest down payment that we could come up with and got a 15-year mortgage, then paid it off ahead of time. Keeping the monthly payment to a minimum allowed us to pay more than the monthly payment every month and pay off the mortgage in 3+ years. Taking mortgage payments as a tax deduction helps with the mortgage, but you can save even more if you don't have a mortgage. Once we were debt free, our basic monthly living expenses are quite low and allowed me to explore my options when I was laid off in 2003. I had a decent salary before being laid off, but many people I know make a higher salary than I ever did. Living debt-free is highly recommended, I would suggest that you do whatever you can do get debt-free as soon as practical.
Ron Paul's approach to the economy makes sense to me - our Federal government also needs to work towards getting debt-free as soon as practical. States should be taking care of much of what is now being paid for and controlled by the Federal government because each state has to balance their budget every year - they can't print money like the Federal government is currently doing via the Federal reserve, nor can the States run up deficits and debts as easily.
Scott
This is for the poster akak
Without my cell phone I could also not have voted in debate polls for Dr Paul..is there a better reason to have one ?? Actually there is but I'm just saying !!
Simplify Life
After getting my daughter through college and semi-recovering from the related debt, I dropped out of "corporate america" (didn't make sense to keep up with the *Jones'* anymore - as socially required in corporate america) & moved to an inexpensive area - low real estate taxes. Bought relatively inexpensive acerage & built my house with my own two hands(about $25 per sq ft for materials, permits & tools) - no mortgage. Drive older, but well maintained vehicles ('96 w/220k miles & '89 w/150k miles) - no debt. Only buy insurance required by law - vehicle liability (real $ savings). Only eat out when traveling & never go to bars. When buying *stuff*, confirm that the *stuff* is necessary, then buy quality (don't buy the same things over & over). One credit card w/$0 balance for online purchases. It took a while to adjust lifestyles (e.g. $500 suites to $14 jeans), but now I live on 7% (seriously) of the cost of my prior lifestyle.
Unexpected benefit - The 5 sq mile gated private community (private roads, etc) I moved into attracts like minded people (32 total) and we are all friends - barter...
With a return to a constitutional republic, perhaps all of our country can be similar to my little corner of the world.
Ron Paul - Hope for America
Ron Paul - Hope for America
can
we come?
And dump the damned cell
And dump the damned cell phone! Nobody, NOBODY except maybe ten or twenty CEO's of major corporations needs those highly annoying, privacy-stealing, government-tracking abominations!
I am the queen of frugality,
but I live 30 miles from town, and if I need a loaf of bread, I can call my husband on his way home from work on our cell phones, and ask him to pick up one, instead of spending 15 dollars on gas and wasting 2 hours to go town, I work at home so I would lose money by not working. Besides, I always tell the government that they have bigger fish to fry when i complain about them over my cellphone.
Hey
I live in the sticks in Wyoming, NO regular phone lines here , and we drive 100 miles to work in junky vehicles, at 7 am you MIGHT on a busy day see 3 vehicles. What would you do without any phone???By the way, I grow my own food, and butcher my own meat, so I am NOT a live beyond my means type of person, but here in the sticks cell phones are necessary.
Sorry
there are so many good uses for cell phones I could not even begin to list them
And many excellent reasons
And many excellent reasons NOT to own one! I do not, and never will.
People always talk about "emergencies". Please! Did people drop dead in droves before the invention of the cell phone? NO! They are 99% all about the now, now, NOW! mentality, and not planning ahead, and impulsiveness, everything that is destroying our culture. I am not being facetious here, but I think they are one of the WORST influences on society today.
I disagree with the worst influence
on society. Isn't that television, which I havn't had for 12 years, and public education, which I have homeschooled since 1984.
I dont pay for my
I dont pay for my cable...and its a good thing cause i surely wouldnt want to support comcast. For some reason in my appartment...the cable is on and has been since i moved in...ive never seen a bill. I think maybe its hooked into my downstair neibors...
It's amazing how in my life
It's amazing how in my life I have gone from having three TV channels with 90% of it crap, to 60 channels, and still 90% of it is crap! (and I'm being charitable there). Only paid for the most basic package (otherwise no TV due to mountains blocking the signals), but somehow got more --- not that I want it, or almost ever watch it.
tv is great now.
discovery channel, nova and on and on.
ron paul 2008
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