Ron Paul NOT throwing in the towel!
Below is a quote from the first line of the 2nd paragraph of Ron Paul's recent e-mail letter to his supporters. What I do not seem to understand, what is now literally confusing the hell out of me, is that he is saying that our chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. Here are his words from that email:
"With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on..."
I don't get it! I thought, that at this point, it is "impossible" for McCain to gain enough delegates to win the nomination BECAUSE this is going to be a brokered convention. That is what I understood. That it is impossible for anyone to gain enough delegates by November to win the nomination. That it will be a brokered convention and if McCain does not get 51% of the vote during the 1st round at the RNC then they go into the 2nd round and that is when all the delegates are then legally freed up and no longer legally bound to vote for the candidate with the popular vote - that they are all mostly Ron Paul supporters and will likely then vote RP in for the nomination? But now I read Ron Paul's words above from his email and I am now left totally confused and in the dark. Can someone please comment. What is going on here? Do we have a brokered convention or not? Because if Ron Paul is saying that our chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero, then he is more-or-less saying that our chances of winning at the RNC are nearly zero. That's like saying that McCain has already won. I figure that if Ron Paul is saying that he is throwing in the towel, "but that he will fight on so long as the money keeps coming in"... well then I say F*** THAT! I am getting pissed off! I would NOT continue donating money if someone is throwing in the towl like that but painting sugar coated pictures of nothingness. I am maxed out anyway! But I sure am getting pissed! Somebody please comment!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Repulicans are going to Nominate McCain, for the same reasons they nominated Dole back in 1996. TOO LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a big setup to get Clinton/Obama elected so we can have a woman and black man as a first.
This makes for great Hollywood and would bring huge revenue to Television land.
We can only counter this if RP runs as an independent.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will bleed and starve before we understand what has to be done.
KT
KT
You're right about the
You're right about the Hollywood aspect of this election. Every time I hear Obama supporters talking about this mythical "change," I am stumped to figure out exactly what they mean. The only conclusion I come to is that he is of mixed race. Is that the "change" they're talking about? Because if it is, we really need to ban TV in America before it dumbs down the populace any further (joking about the ban)! Perhaps they think Obama's racial makeup will cure all America's divisions. Could they be that naive?
As far as I can tell, Obama is a rather typical Democrat. But if forced to choose between him and Clinton, I'd choose the latter. Why? Am I insane?! No, and that wasn't an endorsement of Clinton by any stretch. But I am very fearful that a President Obama would be assassinated by some kook fringe KKK/skinhead nut case, and then we're done for -- the apparatus for a total police state is already in place, and the assassination of a president would be the perfect trigger to implement it. And if some racist loon didn't kill him, a neocon would pay someone to do it. They're the ones who really thirst for a police state, but they don't want to be in charge when it happens. They want to inherit one instead.
If Obama is elected, my most fervent hope would be that he chooses a wimpy, milquetoast, panty-waist veep who wouldn't dare to overreact after Obama gets whacked. Then again, a weak president tends to be controlled by ambitious handlers, so we may be doomed regardless.
In case you can't tell, the coming police state is my primary concern. All other political discussion is just window dressing by comparison. There will be a Soviet-style crackdown on liberty in my lifetime. I can smell it.
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There is too much that can change, yet.
What if the GOP right start saying McInsane isn't a natural born American citizen and it's all over the news. The constitution, what is left of it, has to be changed for him to be President.
What if he gets Swift Boated by the veterans who nicknamed him Songbird.
Suddenly he's nothing.
And Mitt only suspended, and Huck is still there.
You may have an extremely small chance to win the lottery but you have zero chance if you don't buy a ticket.
Also it's not just about Ron. It's about getting our Freedom back. The more people see this, the more support we get.
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I'm right there,
I'm right there with alot of you. It feels like I go through mood swings, but I hear all sorts of buzz, even talk that McCain will be forced to drop out for fear of embarrassment. Remember the Vets that were after Kerry? Well, I heard they are planning alot of crap to throw at McCain. Hillary (not that I care for her one bit) has info that will put him down as well. That being said, it leaves the Huck and Paul. But Huck has been rumored to be short on the funds. As a side as well, the is talk of congressmen who are doing all they can NOT to let McCain get to the White House. This will be an interesting year but we must fight the fight and donate, donate, donate! What an awesome message that would send! Who organizes the money bombs anyway?
If McCain flames out
then Romney will reactivate his campaign. He has just "suspended" it. I'm sure he took that route because he also suspects McCain will flame out. Huckabee would drop out for a promised VP slot, but he also sees the distinct possibility that McCain will screw up and lose the nomination, so Huckabee is hanging in long enough to see what happens.
If McCain screws up (and he will), the Huckabee's momentum will pick back up, and he knows it.
If ANY Candidate Can
SELF DESTRUCT, it is McCain.He could go off on a tirade and knock himself right out of the race. Republicans can realize that he's a Democrat in GOP clothing too. Come convention time, there could be an outcry against McCain, no matter how many delegates he has.
nah
Unless him and Cheney go Docter/Quail hunting again and blast a guy in the face I don't see him blowing himself out of the water. We all know McCain is stupid but when it comes to his political career he's not going to jeopardize it. He might be stupid but not that stupid. Look how long he's been in politics. You don't get a shady history like his unless you are good at it and have very powerful friends. He's in there for the nomination. My opinion though. Debate all you want. :)
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Get over yourself.
Nobody's thrown in the towel, and this movement is about a lot more than one run for president. Reagan didn't win in 1976, did he?
Here's what's going to happen: Obama is going to *slaughter* McCain in the general election. We'll have four years of a socialist doing what he can to keep the economy together with the same old useless crap that they've been doing since the New Deal, and meanwhile the Republican party will have a chance for a wave of Ron Paul Republicans to get it back on track the way that Newt Gingrich didn't.
Now, you if you don't want to help, that's your decision. Nobody's got a gun to your head. Meanwhile, the rest of us have work to do, which isn't helped by your whining.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Amen & hallelujah!
"...this movement is about a lot more than one run for president." YES!
And I say to all of you who are throwing in your own towel, if YOU quit, the movement won't die but it damn sure will take a step backward. This movement is NOT new, and Dr. Paul is not it's first voice. It's been around, but stagnant, for many years. Dr. Paul galvanized it, brought new people to it, and HE WANTS TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO GROW WHETHER HE IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR NOT. WE gave HIM hope for the future, and that is why he knows he needs to continue the fight, president or not.
I will NOT hold my nose and vote for McCain in November. I will vote 3rd party. Obama is going to whip McCain's a$$ in November for sure, God help us. Meanwhile, with Dr. Paul still in Congress there will be at least one voice loudly reminding everyone what is right. By continuing the presidential campaign, he may have some barter power at the Convention, but barring a drastic shake-up in the race in the meantime his presidential nomination chances are slim. Our continued support keeps him in Congress, and it keeps the message in the presidential race where it has never been before Dr. Paul.
I may or may not be whining but...
at least I SURE IN THE HELL AM "NOT" just up and saying *whom* (other than Paul) will BE IN OFFICE! You're just PUTTING Obama in office! I would rather "whine" about RP's negative throwing-in-the-towel-like words than to SAY that one of the CFR memebers are going to BE in office. So are you planning on voting for Obama, by the way? or have you already voted for him? Sounds like you've already voted for him!
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Reading comprehension isn't your long suit, is it sparky?
No, I'm not planning on voting for the latest entry from the socialist-of-the-month club, and I'm offended by your insinuation.
McCain will lose in a landslide to Obama, because he's incapable of backing down from that stupid "100 years in Iraq" remark. Obama will destroy him in any debate, because he's slick and professional, and McCain's entire playbook is eye-rolling and platitudes.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Sorry but...
I was mad because you said I was whining and said "the rest of us have work to do, which isn't helped by your whining."
Like I haven't royally busted my rear-end for Dr. Paul. I have put $2300 into the RP2008 Campaign and I have another "$8,000.00" additional dollars into the Ron Paul Revolution. I have put many, many hours of time into this, as well. I have a right to be disappointed and upset. Americans today (sheeple) they just make me sick to my stomach! I was calling people on Super Tuesday (people whom had already pledged to vote for RP) and I was getting hung up on just from saying, "Hello _____ this is Mark from the Ron Paul campaign headquarters over at_________ , how are you today? "BLAM!! (slams the phone down). These are people that were made well aware of Ron Paul, who he is, what he is about and had even pledged to vote for him. Maybe I should go and slash their damn tires for them. Animals! Pukes! Is all they are!
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misunderstood
He's saying that if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination that Obama will destroy McCain. I completely agree with that. He's also saying that the movement is more than just ron Paul. It's our movement, our awakening, and we have to figure a way out to eventually take back our country. If that means getting a thousand people in office to do it politically so be it. Something has to happen. Something has to give and it's not going to be us.
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I have heard and I think that...
the MSM is going to PUMP up the McCain volume for quite some time because they want a McCain vs. Hillary showdown. And when it gets there they are then going to suddenly and visciously turn on McCain and cruxify him while suddenly then begin to PUMP UP and CONTINUE TO KEEP PUMPING UP Hillary! But people think that it is going to be "Obama" vs the Republican side?
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MSM wants McCain for the nominee
because they know he will not be able to keep his foot out of his mouth. They are laying back on all of the stupid and hateful things he's said over the years (he's a mean, hateful man), they are laying back on the "songbird" thing, they are laying back until after the convention when they will POUND him. Right now, either Hillary or Obama would be fine with MSM, although I think Obama is getting more "sunshine" from the media. If Hillary had any dirt on Obama, it would already be out there big time, which means there isn't any dirt. Meanwhile, she swims in mud of her own. Obama has the momentum right now, and I think he will the the Dem nominee.
McCain will not win if he is nominated. However, the odds are good that he will screw up well before the convention. So, our hope lives on...
Yup!
Now here's someone that understands the revolution. I salute you.
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It aint over...
Folks, this is a strategy! Don't give up! Abe Lincoln (yeah, I know, AL was a schmuck) went to the convention with 22 delegates. This campaign is not over. Watch RP and learn....
Damn the torpedos and full speed ahead!
optimism is nice but it's not reality
Blind optimism doesn't change reality. Use your head. They have already won. They are just "bleeding the clock" at this point.
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Nice words but why don't you put a little more behind it...
...like go a little more into details like the others...otherwise you come off sounding like you are just spitting sugar coated pipe dream crap! I am sick of sugar coated pipe dream crap! That is what somebody did when they said it was impossible for anyone to get the nomination and that this would be a brokered convention. NOW I am hearing differently! So please cut the 'sugar coated" nothingness words that are not backed with info. Otherwords I just start getting sick to my stomach anymore!
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Brokered Convention?
Romney dropping was the worst thing that could happen and he probably did it because he knew if it did go to a brokered convention and he got the nomination that he couldn't win against a democrat and that Mccain has a better chance of winning against a democrat and also he was probably tired of spending his own money. It takes 1,192 delegates the first round to get the nomination. When Romney was in he was taking alot of delegates from mccain not to mention what huckabee and Ron Paul were getting, so the more the others were getting the less mccains chances of getting the 1,192 delegates the first round and getting the party's nomination automatically.
Now that Romney is out he basically has shifted support to Mccain and so the people that would have voted for him will now vote for mccain, Paul, or Huckabee. This gives mccain the best opportunity of getting the minimum 1,192 votes since there are still I think 1,189 delegates up for grabs. Our best chances is for huckabee and Paul to hold off mccain. Dr. James Dobson just recently endorsed huckabee so this is a boost to his campaign. I am hoping that huckabee and Paul can keep mccain from getting his 51% of delegates and force to go brokered and then hopefully have enough delegates that are Ron Paul supporters who can freely vote for him.
The good news is its not over just yet because we haven't seen how good huck can do against mccain. Huckabee may take many of, if not most of, Romney's old supporters and whatever supporters he already had. So to sum it up mccain must be denied 1,192 delegates so huckabee and our man must do well, and the most important thing is every Ron Paul supporter must consider being a national delegate because its our only chance to take it from the others in the 2nd round. The bad news is huckabee said if he doesn't do well in Texas he will most likely drop out. We must do what we can and "pray" for this.
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McCain does not need 1,192 delegates...
He already has 700. He only needs something like 500 or just less than 500 to get 1,191 (51%). How do you figure that he needs 1,192 MORE delegates?
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1,192 delegates?
I mean a total of 1,192 delegates so this would be his 51% majority to automatically win the nomination.
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The way I see it...... broker convention idea..
To me this was a plan/strategy from RP that it would be brokered and that he could get delegates this way. If there is a clear leader then it is not brokered. If Romney stayed it looked like a split so that would mean brokered. McCain is the clear leader so it will be hard to get delegates to support Ron Paul. usually they like to go into the elections (Presidential) with 100% support of the party. They all give their votes to the one person. Ron has 2 secured so that 100% will not be there unless Ron gives them up and encourages his delegates to toss them to the leader/winner of the party. I doubt he will do that. We know Ron to be open and honest. That was his message it does not mean it is over. Things can happen.... McCain can be exposed. Maybe we can work harder to get Ron Paul supported by the party. In the end if we plead our case with Ron who we supported and hung in there with. He could still go independent if it looked like a chance. He said that to us not to the media. The other thing he said was that we can not let the opposition make it look like this was a "fart in the wind" the revolution MUST continue and we MUST be heard and show that following the constitution is the only way we will except government to behave.
I think this was all planned
I think this was all planned by the GOP and Romney and Huckabee are playing along. Romney was told to get out for the sake of the party so there would not be a brokered convention. and Huckabee was told to stay in to make sure RP doesn't get the Christion vote. This is designed so Dr Paul will not win. Both Romney and Huckabee were promised something in return.
RP WILL NOT GO INDEPENDENT DUE TO HIS CONGRESSIONAL ....
seat (if he's re-elected). He cannot according to RNC rules run concurrently For President and Congress under two different parties.
Don't give up the ship... keep sailing!
We all need to just keep pushing this as far as possible. Who knows where this will end up. The more we keep this up the more people will have the light turn on in their heads and they to will see the reality of things.
It's more than Ron Paul, it's waking up the sleeping giant.
That sounds great but...
how much further can we take this? If RP is not elected the establishment is going to do EVERYTHING it can to prevent another type Ron Paul Revolution from ever happening again. They will pass laws that give them control over the Internet. The Trans Texas Corridor and NAU will shift into "maximum overdrive" and a WHOLE LOT of OTHER things against us are going to follow...including an invasion of Iran. Man what the hell!
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Fighting for Nothing? I
Fighting for Nothing? I suggest you visit the ronpaul2008 site and watch the speech he gave at Liberty College and pay close attention to the shots of the crowd. What Ron Paul is telling these young people is the truth. Something they didn't know, something that comes as a shock to them. They are being awoken to the truth of what is and has been happening to our beloved country. That to me is worth Something, a big bucket of Something. Personally, I don't care if he ever gets one more vote but I'll contribute to his campaigns to keep him out there, bravely saying what no other person in Washington, on TV or in print has the courage to say. That, to me, is the very reason that the media blacks him out and the very reason WE need to continue supporting him.
he's not Romney!
Romney sold-out to McLame to try and stop the brokering.
Ron Paul is just explaining the difficulties set against him.
say goodbye to brokered convention
If you think it's impossible for McPayne to win the rest of the delegates you are dead wrong. Stop listening to stupid people that are telling you it's impossible for McPOW to win. The man only needs like 200 more delegates. It's almost in the bag. This will NOT go to a brokered convention now that Romney dropped out.
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