OK, Huck surprised me today. What's it mean?

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Guess he's going to stay in for a while. Any thoughts? What if he swept most of the states left?
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so let me get this straight?

huck has stolen all RP's material he's been lying,cheating,stealing and been down right crude why not get Dr Paul in w/ huck as vise so they can give em a lynden johnson going away party!?! do the math richard haas cfr?

Huck can always Step down...

He might step down after Paul gets the nomination.

There is an animated star chart on youtube that shows all the presidents star signs.

Clinton = Ron Paul Both star charts are the same but are reversed.

Obama = Mccain and Huckabee Both the same Mccain and Huckabee but reversed from Obama

But if it's Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton It would have to be Paul as president or vice president.. Mccain is not going to win because the republican party hates him. They believe that Mccain has to much of an issue because of his POW situation. He could possibly loose his mind in office. It depends on the Dem party. It's Huck/Paul or Paul/Huck unless obama is out of the picture. If Obama is gone then Huck is gone.
Edwards/Guiliani/Romney all had star charts that did not match any presidents fixed signs.

Remember if Obama Does Huck. If Clinton Does good so does Paul.

Important!

If what you guys are talking about has even a remote chance of being true, the discussion needs to stop. You know why. No one in the MSM needs to see this discussion. Think.

Please Remove

Can this be removed

Seriously.

It's not an attack on your discussion. Do you understand what I'm saying? We don't need to be discusing tactical plans of the campaign if they have elements of truth. Do what you want, though.

I understand

I am talking about removing the Forum Topic all together.

Paul and Huckabee

Here is what I am thinking is going on...

Just hear me out because I know Ron Paul is very very smart. Ron Paul would not start a movement to break the machine if he did not have a plan.
Think of this as phase 2 I may be wrong but my gut says something is up.

If you read the E-Mail on Ron Paul's website he said there is a plan that he cannot discuss right now but we will learn more in due time?

I think that Huckabee is a secret agent of the Ron Paul Revolution. Ron Paul is the scape goat for the MSM blackout. Huckabee is the diversion to throw off the MSM and Mccain. I think that just maybe Romney is also in on this.

The GOP did not give the nomination to Mccain the last time what makes anybody think that he will get it this time. If I am right this is what will happen.

Ron Paul Backs down his campaign. Some of the not so strong Ron Paul supporter now go to the huckabee side because Ron Paul knows that they would never go to the Mccain side. We waited to Super Tuesday so that Mccain can blow all his cash on had and make him and the MSM think he is the clear winner.

Plan B .. Gather support in Texas to get Ron Paul back in the Congress Seat. This also helps Ron Paul raise more money to get his name out in Texas. Ron Paul will not only win the primary in Texas he will also win his
Seat in congress also. Huckabee will come in 2nd place. Mccain will come in 3rd place. Thats on May 4th by the way.

Now it is time for plan C. Ramp up the campaign 0n Both sides.
Huckabee and Paul will now focus on the Presidential Bid. Huckabee and Paul will suck the rest of the states and delegates away from Mccain.

This is what I think will be to Delegate total before the convention takes place.

Mccain at 900 Delegates Or lower
Huckabee at 1000 Delegates or lower
Ron Paul at 150 Delegates or higher
Ohh yeah Romney at 289 Delegates
This is an estimate.. Also if Romney Endorses Mccain and I am wrong about him that still only leave a possible 1189 Delegates to Mccain (2 Delegates Short of winning the Nomination on the first vote.)

And now for the Final Plan
Plan D
At the convention Huckabee will Drop and endorse Ron Paul. Ron Paul will name Huckabee as his running mate. Talking about Pro-Life, Pro-Family and Religion. The Paul/Huckabee ticket.

If this happens Ron Paul will destroy any chance of a Mccain/Romney Ticket and Ron Paul will Win by a Landslide at the convention.

I maybe crazy but if Ron Paul is as smart as I think he is this just might be his plan. Remember He has been in the game for 30 Years.
Lincoln went in with only 22 delegates and won. Why can't Paul. If they will not play fair. We can by the rules.

YOUR SECRET PLAN IS CLOSE BUT THE *REAL* PLAN...

is this.... Huckabee is now pushed by Romney and Paul campaign, who both headquarters have mysteriously shut down and are now actively throwing support to Huckabee so that McCain doesnt hit the required votes to get nominated. This of course forced the whole process into a brokered convention i.e. non of the candidates getting the required votes to get the republican nomination.
This if course is going to cause termoil and all sorts of behind-closed-door deals... McCain will want to offer vice-presidency to someone in order to get their delegates... But since we actually own most of the uncommitted, Romney will offer Huckabee *his* delegates in order to help get Huckabee to the required number of delegates, and Romney gets to be his vice-presidential candidates. But Ron Paul knows that Romney and Huckabee dont like each other, so Huckabee will refuse and then Romney will approach Paul and offer him his candidates to be his vice-presidential candidate and Paul will accept which these leaves a virtual tie among three candidates none of them having the necessary amount.
This will then have McCain approach Paul for his support against Huckabee offering Paul the vice-presidency but Paul refuses and tells Huckabee what McCain offered and Huckabee says no way he wants McCain to win so he will give Paul his candidates if Paul will make him the vice-presidency and Paul will accept.... so Paul will now have the candidates of Romney and Huckabee but agrees with both that he will now toss a coin to see which will get to be his vice-president.
But this still leaves a split convention with neither havng the required delegates so Paul approaches McCain to be his vice-president if he will give his delegates to Him and McCain agrees but only if Paul will make sure its him and not Huckabee or Romney... and Paul knowing that McCain will draw alot more votes as his Vice President than either Romney or Huckabee will then go back and Tell Romney and Huckabee that he has decided not to honor either of them as Vice President and then Paul and McCain now have the required number of votes and Huckabee and Romney are out of it because by then so many of the delegates will be sick and tired of all the back-room agreements that they will be so disgusted to want to get the whole thing over with that they will agree to any agreement just to get the whole nomination processs
over and done with as soon as possible.
So Paul will have tactfully (being the super tactition that he is) effective force the whole friggin republican GOP to accept him and his piddling less than 100 delegates as the presidential nomination.
Of course there is also the uncommitted which are actually committed to Ron Paul that gives him more bartering power in order to pull of this behind the scenes deal which makes Paul much more respected in the GOP as the number one back-stabbing politician that is worthy of being
the Republican nomination.
It will be the coup of the century as Paul will have effectively neutralized both Romney, McCain and Huckabee as being the valid presidential nominee based on the fact that all three went into the brokered convention with more delegates than him but with his super secret plan of playing the back-stabbing republican manipulation game, he turns the whole process against all of them with this super amazing slight of hand, razzle-dazzle politics, which will go down in history as greater than
Abe Lincoln who pulled this type of scheme and came out the republican nominee because Paul has mentioned a couple of times in his debates and interviews that he respected Abe Lincoln even though the slaves could have been freed without war, but in fact he was sending his super secret message all along to Huckabee and McCain and Romney that he was willing to wheel and deal with them to get them to the required number of votes when in fact being the tactican he was he was always planning on taking away all their support unbeknowst to them and it will just be the greatist victory in political history because he is a superman politician and that THIS was his super plan all along... i.e. to string and along and then shaft those people who shafted him inthe debates and once he gets the Presidential nomination he will then ignore all of them and make them look like the idiots that they are for bartering away their delegates in a brokered convention.
This all makes perfect sense and so know we all know what Ron Paul's super secret plan was all along and that is to pretend to be a friend of the GOP when actually he is out to destroy them all for being such dicks to him in the debates and taking all of their greed and using it to work against them so that *he* becomes the eventual republican nomination.
So you see this was an easy but simple super secret plan that he has been wanting to play all long - a poker game where he kept the straight face and seemed like a nice guy playing with the others but was actually holding all the right cards to manuipulate and bluff the others into throwing down their hands and folding...
So none of us have to worry about a think except keeping McCain from reaching his required delegates which is why both Romney and Paul campaigns have effectively closed their doors and are not answering any more phone calls in order to lull Huckabee and McCain into not knowing this behind the scene deal has been cut so that only Paul will wind up winning the republican nomination without othe other three knowing that he isnt going to use any of them vice-president, but just offer them that in order to get their candidates and then have all three try and screw the other two and thus the usual republican deals behind close doors.
Now what do you think about them apples???

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These are very insightful possible scenerio's so lets hope that Ron can play this Ace for real. It is amazing what is happening in the GOP race as Super Tuesday provided a wake up call to the party's true conservative base that they better stop McCain but fast. The upcoming debate is going to be very interesting because in the last one Ron and Huck were cast as an afterthought, this time around they both have the momentum and will be looking to make a splash. It is going to be very a difficult night for McCain as many of his platform ideals will be much more closely scrutinized, not good for him.

Maybe you are right about

Maybe you are right about Huckabee & Romney as possible covert ops / insiders for Ron Paul. I don't believe so, but I'll at least say that maybe it is possible.

Regarding Ron Paul's Vice President - I believe it will be big news. I have a very good hunch of who it will be, but I doubt the campaign wants that info out at this point.

Huckabee will not be RP's VP. RP is a man of consistent integrity, my guess is that he will want another of consistent integrity as his VP.

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In the florida debate or youtube debate.

After the debate I watched it on youtube. You can watch it I am to tired to get the link but it's after the debate when they talk to Ron Paul about his choice about his running mate. He said that he would not pick anybody here that has different values then his but, (Here is the secret message)( talking about Ghouliani. and the other's) He quotes " If they were to change their mind on there issues there is a possibility that I would pick someone on this stage" then he said " But right now it seems that there isn't anyone on this stage that shares my views"

He also said he had hoped the Ghouliani would change his mind after the little reading assignment he had sent to him about blowback.

Ummm...

How do you account for the fact that Ron is anti-war and Huckabee is pro-war? Do you believe Huckabee is lying to his supporters and his detailed war agenda was fabricated? If so, he will lose his base. If he maintains his agenda, Ron will never accept him as a running mate. In closing, Ron Paul supporters would not go to the Huckabee campaign, even if Ron resigned. There are fundamental philosophical opposites from the two candidates.

Besides I know many people who say.

I like what Ron Paul stands for but he cannot win. I am voting for Huckabee.
The fact is people vote for the person they think has a better chance. What would alot of simple minded people do if they signed up to the Republican ticket to vote for Ron Paul. He states he cannot win if there is no Brokered Convention but he will remain a republican. Those people who are still going to vote might just vote for Huckabee. Fact: Ron Paul supporters in WV turned to Huckabee to keep Romney from winning. So your statement that
Ron Paul supporters will not vote for Huckabee is not true at all.

I believe somebody has to tell a white lie. Call it a False Flag

I believe that someone has to lie. If Huckabee also was along side of Ron Paul on their views he too would be blacked out.

Call it a False Flag Op. Act like the enemy to get the support on your side. At the last minuate he can always say he believes that the war policy even though he may not agree with Ron Paul on that issue might be the only chance to win the General Election for the Republicans.

Ronald R. did pick George Bush SR. as his running mate even though during
his campaign he said he would not pick him. Just think about it. Would Ronald R. have one the nomination or even the election without George Bush. He was very very anti-bush. That was the Only reason he won the nomination in the first place. Look up the facts. This is politics.

Also Gore did not agree with Clinton on alot of his issues also.

Correction: The TX primary is March 4th, not May 4th.

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Sorry

I ment to say March 4 my bad.

No biggie. :)

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I just checked CNN out!!!

Check it out.. Politico had announced Mccain won WA But CNN on its front page is stating that Huckabee and Mccain are head to head right now for the WA 1st place shot. This is far from over.

It means...

1. He got a lot of Christian votes (not surprising);
2. He got a lot of conservative Republicans who don't like McCain (not surprising);
3. He got some (if not most) of former Romney supporters (not all that surprising).
4. He's got the gift of gab. Let's face it, the guy could sell ice to Eskimos.

Everybody knew he'd do well in these states (well, maybe, with the exception of Washington, but see 2 through 4, above... that explains it).

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Brokered Convention...

Is still likely. McCain will fail miserably at the debate. Huckabee's supporters are a sleeping giant that will destroy McCain's chance at nomination, and the split will result in the rise of Ron Paul.

After a lot of consideration, Here's my thoughts:

At first my thought was WTF is Dr. Paul thinking. That was based on two thoughts, one being why remove an option off the table (third party) and second what was the big deal about running for his own Congressional seat as an R if he is so popular by winning every time by 70% does he really need that label behind it. If he did, then the support was bogus and people voted label only, which is about as bright as voting the wolf in charge of the henhouse. If he didn't, then what difference does a pathetic challenge on the R label matter anyway?

(The office leaning up never bothered me as that's just the way it is done, big deal.)

Then I went back and re-watched his CPAC video and saw an energized Dr. Paul just unload on McCain, something long overdue. Meanwhile Romney drops unexpectedly and delivers a decidely bizarre CPAC speech. Then 24 hours later we get that email that he's pulling back to focus on Texas. That leaves Huckabee and McCain for the monent and a lot of odd coincidences. I thought that "someone" had gotten to both Romney and Dr. Paul. The message to Romney was to bail to prevent Dr. Paul from brokering. The message to Dr. Paul was to go back to Texas and focus on Congress. Under threat of harm to him or his family perhaps? Keep in mind this is all speculative and there is nothing to back it up, but it would sure explain a lot.

Then I see today's results and things made a lot more sense.

As long as Hucakbee is around to pick up the slack on grabbing delegates from McCain, the odds of a brokered convention change in Dr. Paul's favor. That means that Dr. Paul is letting Huckabee do the dirty work for now on McCain until March 4 while Dr. Paul puts away that Peden twit.

So I think we can expect to see Huckabee pick up more states over the next month, Dr. Paul plodding along as before, and McCain starting to tank. The Feb 28 debate should see McCain get hammered on all sides. By March 4 Dr. Paul will have secured his primary win for his Congessional seat and McCain will be toast at the hands of Huckabee and the MSM. That leaves Huckabee and Dr. Paul to deal with a possible Romney re-entry.

All this means that a third party run is now not necessary in the first place, which explains why he said that in the email. Naturally he couldn't explain it that way.

What we need now from HQ is one question answered: how much cash is left? That will put that question to rest.

In other words, the delegate plan continues as others have pointed out.

Me, I had a crisis of faith because of this, but then I had to stop and think it out. Crisis passed. Onward!

RP may be a STATESMAN, but you don't get to be in politics...

for over 20yrs, without being a shrewed tactician. He's progressively increased the percentage of support in his Congressional district almost consecutively, in each election cycle. He fought off the Bushes; he fought off and beat a fmr. Dem. who the GOP asked to switch parties. In fact, Poppy Bush sent his simian down to directly campaign against RP. Yet, our Good ol Doc, still WON!

So, I have to surmise that the Good Doctor has read Sun Tzu's The Art of War, once or twice. Tactical retreat, war of attrition, strategic recuperation, whatever one may wish to label it, I've never underestimated the man. And it's always a good thing his opponents continue to. He's yoda, NOT Obi-Won.

RP's genteel demeanor has outflanked more than one politico in the past.

So in the mean time, let us continue to spread his message far and wide. Let us prep America for his return.

You are correct. Huck is the wild card. I do believe, though obviously speculative on my part, that he really was offered the VP seat under McNut. We all assume that McNut will implode under his own scandals. Be it swiftboated, or Keating 5 scandal, or songbird. Question remains, what will Huck do with his won delegates and how will Romney returning to leverage his won delegates be received by rank and file.

Thus it is crucial that everyone and anyone who qualifies, becomes a delegate. My guess is many of "uncommitted" are RP Revolutionaries. We're definitely a smart bunch.

By scaling back, RP saves on resources. As I recall, he entered 2008 with $7.8 million worth of declared funds. Plus the $5.3mil raised this year alone. So depending on how he's spent it, he probably raised in total around $13.1 MILLION, as of today. Not too shabby, considering his average rate of expenditure hovered around 33% before the mad rush toward SuperTues (64% rate by then). So he should have about two thirds left. Perhaps around $8-9 million. Hopefully, Peter Schiff's expensive clientele will come through at some point. Just imagine, okay pipe dream, but what if Peter's clientele all turned out, like us, to fully support Ron Paul's platform and graciously maxed out? Yes, a really ridiculous pipedream, but it'd be an estimated $100 MILLION pipedream!!!

So I believe he's definitely taken a shrewd tactical decision. Highly calculated risk. But risky nonetheless. Hey, as the saying going, higher the risk, higher the reward.

And I agree with you that Huck will bout it out with McNut. But if he was offered VP, those of his delegates that can be released when the candidate drops out or voluntarily resigns, then they can be handed to McNut on a silver platter. However, Huck's a meglomaniac, so I'm sure if a brokered convention is a possibility, he's probably still scheming to prop himself up for the Presidency.

So all in all, it was a good move to declare to the rest of the world that he is quasi suspending the campaign and further notify that he has nearly ZERO chance of entering a brokered campaign. It may automatically come to that, after all.

So to me, his email was in actuality a clarion call to the grass roots. You complained about the HQ, well, now here's your chance. HE IS COUNTING ON US to RUN the campaign!!! He's slashing much of his staff. He's shaking up weak links and loose ends. Time for ALL of US to STEP UP. Stop the whining, complaining, and ACT. Run with it. I have seen so much creative energy, personal initiative, a true grass roots momentum the likes of which I've never seen in this nation, in my life time. Plus his latest letter will test our own commitment and root out those who are mere bystanders and casual supporters. Take it upon ourselves as a test of will, ingenuity, and faith.

THIS TRAIN AIN"T STOPPING FOR NO ONE. I cannot wait to see these MSM, sheeple, neoCON, suckers WHEN THE DOC WINS the GOP nomination. That's our goal. Let us put ourselves on that day.

Two things: continue to canvass and continue to seek delegate positions, in states that are still open. Open or by stealth, get in there!

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Correction

Ron Paul is running both campaigns, not just the Congressional. He is in it until the end of the campaign, and the beginning of his Presidency.

True, but I never said he wasn't either.

He's just dealing with the local twit right now because he has to.

There's no D running and the LP candidate is getting pressured by the LP to withdraw (why a LP candidate chose to run in the first place in that district is preplexing except to buld a political resume for some local seat!). So he wins the primary and he retakes the seat.

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It means there still is a chance of a brokered convention.

That is what it means.

Huckster

From a CNN report, "Huckabee said Saturday that the $250,000 his campaign had raised online in 24 hours was a sign of the health of his presidential effort."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that. We raise over $6 million in 24 hours, have an ideal, principaled candidate with no skeletons in the closet supported by the most energetic and numerous volunteer groups out there and we haven't won a primary yet.

What have they done right that we've done wrong? I know that the preacher gets the evangelical vote, but I really don't think that means so much this time around. The CFR connections amount to respect within the elite, but can't be important to Jane and Joe Voter out there. I noticed that Huck hired proven GOP establishment campaigner, Ed Rollins just a month or two ago. Paul HQ should have hired Rollins after the first momney bomb. He's no saint but he's a proven winner who's had experience with unconventional campaigns with Perot's '92 run (which was his only unsuccessful campaign I think). If nothing else, it would've prevented the competition from using him. Even if we had him as deputy campaign mgr it would have been worth his price. I don't know his asking price, but if Huck can afford him then we sure as hell could have.

This is just Romneys'

This is just Romneys' support being canibalized and redistibuted by teh media.

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It means that free TV

It means that free TV advertising makes a difference, especially when there is absolutely no such Ron Paul coverage. My daughter phoned me, yesterday, regarding the primaries and, when I mentioned Ron Paul, she stated she's seen NO coverage of Dr. Paul on the news in Santa Barbara, Ca. It's as if he doesn't exist. We need to just, flat out, shut off the Boob-Tube.

I had a few theories about

I had a few theories about whats happening and why. However, i have been wrong in the past so who knows :)

Huck is charismatic and the camera likes him. McCain... is not and looks poorly on camera.

The Media want a race, anything to drive ratings. and huck is on a roll, and money follows the most exceiting candidate.

Huck is more exciting than McCain. period. Hes a better speaker, better looking and fun to listen to. Hes a natural born entertainer. Frankly its no wonder he is doing better than expected.

But he is broke at the moment and so is McCain. who ever gets more money faster, will nail March 4th, and probably the convention.
If Huck continues to be i fire, McCain will drop. If McCain resurfaces huck will step back for a VP nod.

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This is good, this is VERY

This is good, this is VERY good.

You can put a fork in McCain. As long as Paul OR Huckabee continue to win, we are assured a brokered convention.

It is now more important than ever to become a delegate.

Those outside the Paul camp keep hearing "Delegates, delegates, delegates", and they think we are talking about winning beauty pageants, and getting delegates. That's nice and all, but that's not how the system really works. Especially if it comes down to a brokered convention. We need to BECOME elected delegates that are RP supporters. That is what will assure our victory at the national convention.

We CAN win this thing. The party WILL be returned to it's rightful owners. And the nomination IS ours for the taking.