Is Venezuela Next?
Submitted by chas777h on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 18:42
Chavez Threatens US Oil Cutoff
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We have to see them as the "other" first
Venezuelans are too much like us right now--immigrants from Europe and the ones the Europeans found. Watch out for the propaganda that dehumanizes them. That'll come first.
Defend Liberty!
Venezuela, Iran and Iraq...
Are the only major oil producing countries that don't denominate their oil in U.S. dollars, so of course they're next. After Iran.
Sickening thing is, we have enough oil in Alaska, and in the shale in Colorado, that we could live on our oil alone for 250+ years or more. If we stopped buying foreign oil for say, oh, maybe a freakin' year... then they would realize that they need us to buy their oil more than we need someone to buy it from, and we could come back to these backwards ass third world f*cks and name our price. Pardon my french. I just have a hard time with this whole BS situation.
We are NOT protecting OIL in
You obviously haven't been watching China lately have you. They will be eclipsing the US car market in less than 2 years and the growth beyond that is only going to get bigger and bigger, as it's only just beginning. The Oil producing nations dont even NEED the US to sell their oil. China and India will be gobbling it all up within the next 5 years.
We are NOT protecting OIL in Iraq or the middle east or anywhere else for that matter. We are protecting the DOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAR! ALL nations in the world MUST buy their petroleum in DOLLARS. We dont have as much oil as ALL the other oil producing nations in the world to sell to ALL the world's economies in DOLLARS, which is basically what is keeping this whole charade that we are some rich nation going. There are 3rd world nations with more money than us. We are 9 TRILLION DOLLARS in the HOLE!!
The only reason we have a huge military, a nice standard of living here, and the welfare state is because all the world economies buy their petroleum in DOLLARS. Any nation that stops doing that, or threatens to, immediately becomes our enemy and the propaganda media paints them out as the bad guy. Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. Im suprised they havent made kuwait out to be one as well, as THEY quit selling in dollars too.
All the OPEC nations have stated that they will swap to euros over the course of the next decade. The Iranian Oil Bourse goes live in 2 weeks and when they start making money hand over fist in the coming year I'm pretty sure the swap is going to happen that much faster.
Everyone needs to get it through their head. The US is in the middle east to protect the DOLLAR, and not oil. We have enough oil right here in our own country. We don't NEED their oil, but we DO need them to sell it only in DOLLARS.
http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm
Read these articles for some grand insight to wtf is actually going on here.
These are Ron Paul's very own words.
Totally in agreement
But people just don't get it, for some reason. I've been in other threads that were economy/foreign relations topics on the forum pointing this out. I've been flagged as a conspiracy nut.. LOL. And I'm IN the oil industry!
They just don't get it.. too much MSM on the brain, I'm afraid.
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
Right you are! I've been in
Right you are! I've been in there right with you, Devon, but those who were most vociferously attacking us were clearly NOT Ron Paul supporters, or supporters of freedom for that matter ---- just the opposite.
Beside, if we were really in the Middle East to maximize oil production, wouldn't we be going ballistic in rebuilding the Iraqi oil infrastructure, and pumping like crazy? Instead, it all rots, and less than a THIRD the oil that came out of Iraq under Saddam is flowing today.
IT'S ALL ABOUT DEFENDING THE DOLLAR! (sorry for all the caps!)
And, in combination with the dollar, defending our house-of-cards economy built upon the petrodollar.
Don't forget that Iran and Venezuela
among a (very) few others, are the only countries left in the world that have not surrendered their currencies to the bankers. The list of remaining holdouts reads like GWB's 'Axis of Evil'. Almost exactly like it, in fact.
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Just wait until a news blogger gets ahold of this
Paul supporters expressing support and admiration for a socialist dictator, even calling him a "friend."
This is the kind of lunacy that makes people not want to join the Ron Paul Revolution.
It makes me want to puke
The people here are blinded by their hate.
Same as the Neo Con just a sligtly different agenda
OK Kiddies, Time to Go To Bed.....
What a waste of time and energy ! Is this what we are dissolving into ?
"There's going to be an event..."
"There's going to be an event, Aaron, and out of that event you’re going to see, we're going to go into Afghanistan so we can run pipelines to the Caspian Sea. We're going to go into Iraq to take the oil and establish a base in the Middle East and we're going to go into ...
Venezuela ...
and try and get rid of Chavez. You're going to see people going into caves (laughs) looking for people that they're never going to find."
That is what Aaron Russo says he was told by Nicolas Rockefeller, 11 months before September 11, 2001.
Aaron Russo died of cancer in August, 2007.
Quote: http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/national-news/49145/
YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad Are Friends of America!
Please follow the rules of quality:
1. Look and see for yourself - do not trust anything you are not positive you understand 100%.
2. Forget everything you know. The void. The 5th ring of the Samurai spirit.
Chavez is fighting NAU and believes in sovereignty. He offers oil to the poor members of the American oligarchy. Sure he is a flawed man and a flawed government for our founding fathers, but he is a friend.
Ahmadinejad put Ron Paul's agenda in front of the news. He is now building an oil bourse which the US has sabotaged, but he will continue the fight for the American people to wake up to the oligarchy that controls us. Yes, we disagree with how he would run our lives, but we don't live in Iran and he was at the forefront of the movement to save Iran from the evil oligarchy that controls us.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
yep
Don't agree with either leaders on how their countries are run however... it is as RP says... communicate with countries and trade with countries. Best advice I ever heard.
What?
You must be out of your gourd. What the heck do you know about Ron Paul supporters? If you think we're socialists, or that we don't understand the constitution, then you are in your own little universe. If we were socialists we would be hillary or obama supporters. Let me explain something to you really quick: We support the right of the media to say whatever they want, even when they lie. We do not support the fact that they lie and distort everything and cause death and mayhem all over the world. Just because we support their right to speak does not mean that we have to endorse and approve of everything they do and say. Don't you understand that recognizing someone's freedom to speak does not mean that you are forced to agree with them and support them no matter what? We are not suggesting that the people in the media should be dragged out and hung, we are just suggesting that what they are doing is wrong and that people shouldn't listen to them. OK? I hope you understand that and also that Ron Paul supporters are not socialists, but what am I talking about, you already know all this, you're just here to make trouble and distort everything so that people will be deceived and vote against the one man who wants peace and freedom. Well, good luck with all that, and good luck with hell when you get there :)
Love Knows No Border
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
Well!
Take your gas and get out!
Why I Won't Buy CITGO Gas Again:
http://americandaily.com/article/13777
Venezuela is a peon by comparison! Iran is third largest and is next on the hit list.
I don't understand...
... why you won't buy CITGO gas. I agree that Chavez is a socialist but he is far from a dictator. He was elected legitimately and the changes to the constitution he attempted were through the voting booth and the Venezuelan people rejected the changes peacefully.
You buy stuff from China don't you? It would make more sense to boycott US products seeing what we are doing to the world (including trying to assassinate Chavez -- a democratically elected leader).
Trash!
China can take there trash and get out too!
You must be to young to remember that, once upon a time, USA products were the rule not the exception.
The good Doc Paul says about Iraq, "Just Come Home"! I say, to the Foreign Countries, "Just Get Out"!
You'd have to...
... throw your computer out too.
I'm 44...
OK
"laugh", I'll throw it out!
52 here, male, no I didn't dodge the draft (a bit of humor and personal pleasure, if you will), it was dropped the exact same year that I escaped from high school
Iran is next!
update: I'm not laughin' at you, the computer thing is a bit of a joke with myself, a struggle of sort if you will.
I guess I fell for it....
In my book Hugo has actually done Americans a favor by just saying no to the NAU. Maybe he values the sovereignty of his country. From the looks of it Hugo is anti-globalization and thus more of a friend to the American people than the mainstream tells us. We all know how biased the mainstream can be. I know that we tried to oust him and we tried to install a US friendly government and he and his people thwarted our efforts. Hugo offered energy assistance to low income families here in the US. We said no. But, we will keep importing things in from communist China. I buy gas at Citgo every chance I get. Not every enemy is your enemy and not every friend is your friend.
China is beginning to
China is beginning to respect property rights, and their economy is liberalizing (becoming a free-market) slowly but surely. Hong Kong has more economic liberty than much of the rest of the world.
Meanwhile Chavez is stealing the property of thousands and threatening to take more.
----
Registered Republican
Federalist Society Member
REAL Conservative for Ron Paul
The U.S. led World Bank...
... steals more land worldwide than anybody. Brazil and other countries have traded land and resources to the World Bank during periods of inability to make payments on World Bank loans. Outright criminal.
It is exceedingly rare for any country to recover after receiving World Bank loans.
Just curious: What did or
Just curious: What did or does Chavez have to do with the proposed NAU? I mean, if it's going to be a "North American Union", how would Venezuela have been involved?
Chavez is like Venezuela's Ron Paul
Strike one: Chavez is a constitutionalist, loved by the people, and hates Bush
Watch The Revolution will not be televised:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144&...
You will not believe the love they have for this man. The freedom loving people of Venezuela walk around with their constitution books in their hands, and they trust this man to defend their constitution.
He hates Bush for his imperialist aggression in S. America.
Strike two: Chavez fought the FTAA - and won!
The NAU? Oh, the global elites didn't want just a NAU, they wanted more. Much more! They wanted a FTAA (Free Trade Area of the Americas), uniting all of N and S America under one government. But, the FTAA failed, in part, due to the tenacity of heroic Chavez!
Strike three: Venezuela, Allies to Start New Bank
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMCLEISU-Nv0nIUJnH1Wkxcab...
The new bank is outside of the World Bank system.
Three strikes and you're out in baseball. You can imagine the intense hatred the globalists must have for this truly courageous, principled, and patriotic man.
I love this man, Hugo Chavez, and wish him success, always!
I couldnt have said it
I couldnt have said it better myself. If you believe anything you have seen on the boob tube about Chavez you best spend your time better by researching alternative news sites, Chavez is a constitutionalist and I applaud him for his fight against the globalist Elite, sad thing Is nobody will come to Venezuela's Aide once Bush or his successor starts feeding the MSM the "Venezuela harbors terrorists" or "Venezuela has weapons of mass destruction" or " the USA will help liberate the Venezualian peope from this dictator" The CIA has already attempted the removal of Chavez once, they will keep going until they are successful
No he's not
I'm a Brazilian citizen, and South America's socialist pseudo-dictators make me sick.
Hugo Chavez censors the press and like another poster said, tried to make himself dictator for life.
He is NOT like Ron Paul. Not even close. The comparison is ridiculous. Chavez a crook, and doesn't deserve our respect. The only thing Chavez has going for him is he's willing to stand up to the US, but this is not a testament to his integrity.
Not even close. The rule of
Not even close. The rule of Chavez is representative of the power of the State. The State controls everything in Venezuela. We Paulites are Constitutionalists. The Constitution is very specific about the minimalization of the federal government. If anything, Chavez rule is closer to the Neo-cons, the puppetmasters, or the oligarchists of the U.S. with the U.S. faction wielding a bigger stick.
Both of the above two posts
Both of the above two posts are correct. Just because Chavez is opposed to the US government does NOT make him a friend of liberty ---- at most, maybe a slight and tangential ally.
The enemy of my enemy is NOT necesarily my friend!
I couldn't agree more
Thank you.
And I meant for this to be
And I meant for this to be part of my reply to your post.
Also, watch this youtube video: Mar del Plata 2005, FTAA burial. Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPlQNp_YXg
This shows the joy of a nation that defeated the FTAA, and their open hatred of Bush interventionist policies.