Just back from Lake Jackson, TX Rally...

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I came away understanding a couple of things.

1. The energy is very real and is the type that is long-lasting.
2. There are people from poor to rich who are very dedicated to freedom.
3. Ron Paul has NO intention of quitting this race.
4. Ron Paul is NOT going to do a 3rd Party Run.
5. In order to win the fight we're in, we CANNOT switch parties.

Running away to the Libertarian or Constitution Party will do nothing but add members to groups that have never accomplished as much as we have, which would result only in the dilution of the Ron Paul Revolution.

We all came from the Libertarian, Constitution and Democrat parties. We formed OUR little niche within the Republican platform.

Leaving the Republican party unattended ensures it will continue down the path it's on and will forever be a major threat to freedom.

The whole fight IS to guide the Republicans back to the original platform of limited government, low taxation, free markets and liberties.

We must engage ourselves in the activities of the Republican party (locally, statewide and nationally).

Become a part of it and change it from the inside out.

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Excellent Post

I agree with everything you said. This is what we need to focus on. This is the path we need to take. Lets keep our eyes on the prize and stay on the path to freedom. Don't let the naysayers derail the Revolution!

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Tim
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Cedar Park, Texas

5 Aug 2007

Oh look...

Almost a day after I posted this, Ron Paul released an update! I wonder what he says?

http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates

Republican RP smears

So what if the Republicans smear Dr. Paul's name in his district and he loses the primary for his house seat? They have tried before and are doing it again.
Will that be enough to see the Republican Party for the garbage it has become under neo con rule? I wish RP the best we need him in office somewhere and I do not care what party he is in. But I for one am not going to pledge my unconditional support to Republicans. I will support who ever is right. Party means nothing they are both the CFR party anyway now days. Besides the Republican Party is the most powerful in my area and they are not Ron Paul fans, we would have a better chance of taking over the Democrats around here.

Shhh...

go back to bed.

You missed the whole point.

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I agree with you, but had to

I agree with you, but had to comment on this one point you made: "We all came from the Libertarian, Constitution and Democrat parties. We formed OUR little niche within the Republican platform."

I personally know many Republicans who are Ron Paul supporters here in southern NJ. I agree that many members of other parties also support Ron Paul, but do not discount the great deal of long time Republicans who also support him. It is misleading to state otherwise.

In regards to the third party run stuff, I know for a fact that many members of The Libertarian Party as well as The Constitution Party support Ron Paul. Both parties would welcome his nomination as "their" candidate. The problem is that neither party is willing to cross party lines in order to give 100% support behind Dr. Paul, even though they both want him to be "their" candidate.

Here's an open question to leadership of both The Libertarian and Constitution Parties: If you support Ron Paul so much, why will you not join with us to rally behind him and make his candidacy so much stronger?

...

The CP has already said they would!

The Constitution Party puts principle for party and they are already planning to back RP when he gets the GOP nomination. I assume they would do this by giving RP their ballot line this year.

RP2012!

Oh neat.

I haven't heard about that! How awesome!

Rule of Law - Eternal Vigilence

The by-laws of the Libertarian Party prohibit officers of the party from endorsing candidates of other parties. Non-officers can do what they want and we are.

That said, the LP executive board issued a public invitation to Ron Paul to throw his hat in the ring as a Libertarian candidate. Now you have to figure that's a pretty big "endorsement," but did you hear what a big splash it made in the press?

Additionally, at least two of the LP candidates for president that I know of have said they would support Ron Paul themselves if he gets the R nomination. Bet you didn't hear that either. Bet you didn't know that there are many people running for the LP nomination for president.

You are asking for something that a) doesn't have much value in the scheme of things, since the press doesn't cover the LP, and b) can't be done without breaking the rules or changing them (which can't be done until the Convention in May--and even then probably can't be done).

The LP is in the freedom movement for the long haul. We tried to get Ron Paul elected in 1988, remember. The LP has to make sure it does what's best for freedom, not just for one election cycle.

Put your trust in individuals, and stop counting on some group to do the job.

IMissLiberty

IMissLiberty

I know, but...

I thought about it, and it sounded redundant to mention there could be republicans in the republican party.

After all, I've always been republican, regardless of which one of them I supported.

My point was that many Democrats, Constitutionists and Libertarians have joined the Republican party to support Ron Paul (ok ok...with those Republicans that are supporting him, too). Why go backwards, divide up again and ruin our momentum?

duplicate

why does this happen?

We have to be careful here

I found this website by accident a couple of months ago and my meetup organizer called the chair for our county and he refused to speak with her and said through his wife that he no longer had anything to do with Ron Paul...from what I understand Eric Dondero founded the RLC (or at least he says so) and he is the former employee of RP that was fired and has been all over the internet smearing him.

NOTE: I meant to post this under wgpitts comment about joining the RLC

Never Mind

It just got posted.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36924

Go Ron Paul!!

Is There Any Video?

I drove to the rally from the other side of District 14 (San Leon, TX) to see him speak, arrived late and spent the rally outside in the overflow. It was humorous to see the 20 or so Peden people trying very hard to have their rally and ignore the huge Ron Paul crowd.

Yes there is video...

There were about five news orgs present, and there were me and one other camcorder sharing the press box with them. I don't have the tools or know how yet to post my footage, but the other guys seem to. Also, there were several other camcorders in the crowd...

Sorry to tease like this, but the answer is still yes.

j

John Bernard

Just because I drove down...

Please delete this... it was in response to a reply below...

Thanks,

j

John Bernard

Republican Liberty Caucus is the way to change the party

The Republican Liberty Caucus is to be the powerful voice of the Ron Paul Republican Party.

We need to all join the RLC.

Ron Paul has strongly endorsed this organization. Join today and become ctive ine Republican Party. Bring bout change.

http://www.rlc.org/

The Republican Liberty Caucus is a political action organization dedicated to promoting the ideals of individual rights, limited government and free enterprise within the Republican Party in the United States. It is considered the libertarian wing of the Republican Party. It also operates a political action committee, RLCUSA-PAC.

More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Liberty_Caucus

Hmmm....

Let them continue doing what they're doing, and introduce RP-Revolutionaries into the mix separate from the RLC. That would be a double-wammy to the neocons within their own party.

Why staying GOP is the answer

I pulled this off another site awhile back...

Think LONG TERM - Why 3rd party is bad & staying GOP is good
2008-02-04 13:02
BY WLMUnderhill

As Ron Paul himself has stated many times, the deck is completely stacked AGAINST all 3rd party candidacies -- they have to waste majority of their time and money attempting to get on the ballot, the Demopublican party prevents them from participating in Debates, etc.
Ron Paul MUST continue to run in the GOP primaries -- and we must stand by him (regardless of the official campaign's errors or inadequacies) -- for several IMPORTANT reasons:

1) If Ron STAYS in the race, while ALL the others drop out, he then become THE SOLE focal-point for dissent within the party (i.e. "Send a signal to the GOP -- we don't LIKE McCain!" ) And then Ron Paul BECOMES the "lesser of two evils" and that old meme works FOR US -- do NOT underestimate this, it is the BEST way to breach into double digits as we pickup many Huckabee AND Romney votes! (And if/when the GOP nominee LOSES the general election -- whether massively vs Obama or just barely vs Clinton -- we can emerge as the STRONGEST element within the party... saying "WE TOLD YOU SO!" -- and "Now join US and win, or get out of our way!")

ALSO, a VERY important side benefit is that the NEO-CONS (as illustrated by Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh) with their INSANE propensity for ILLOGIC -- are already in the process of REMOVING THEMSELVES from the Republican party (by LOUDLY voting/advocating Democrat or staying home).

2) The convention itself is still a long ways away. John McCain (or whoever the "anointed" nominee is after Super-Tuesday) could easily pop a blood vessel (while having a temper tantrum) or suffer an unexpected aneurysm (he's NOT looking too well these days) or start babbling even MORE nonsense, or be hit by the proverbial "bus" and suffer one of many possible different fates between now and the convention. (Among which AFTER Democrats convention -- which is far earlier -- they will likely begin attacking the "anointed" GOP candidate, even before the GOP picks one, by the convention Ron may be looking better and better to the GOP in general).

What I mean by this: Do you know HOW Barack Obama became a United States Senator?

Simple: He stayed IN THE RACE. He was not expected to win against well-funded Jack Ryan... then a little unexpected "scandal" thing happened on the way to the coronation, his crown got broken, and Jack Ryan left the race, virtually handing it to Obama. Republicans scrambled... but Obama won mainly because he was there.

3) One very IMPORTANT LONG-TERM aspect of this campaign is that a LOT of Liberty-minded people have gotten involved in their local GOP party groups. (You did too, didn't you? If not you're missing the point.) -- many of them have ALREADY stepped into local leadership roles, and IF WE STAY, more people can do so in the future! Which means we can CHANGE the party from within -- exactly as Ron Paul advocates.
If Ron were to LEAVE the party for an independent run, many of his supporter would either LEAVE those posts, or would be looked at as traitors. COMPLETELY NEGATING all the work that has been done at a local level, and destroying any chance for LONG-TERM reform.

4) We overestimate our Size and Abilities We look at the Meetup maps, we see over 1,500 groups with over 100,000 members and think WOW! And it *IS* an AMAZING accomplishment, but it is TINY. That's right, it is TINY compared to the size and scope of a full-blown MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY, even the minority Republican party is far larger. In my state, we have 29 meetups, and probably close to 1,000 meetup members. But our state has 72 counties, and 5.5 Million people. Our GOP has a presence, a party of some type within virtually every county.

(Aside: Many of the meetup organizers in cities around the country have hundreds of members in their groups and are quite proud of their "size" -- whereas many of the more rural groups have a dozen members or less. Strangely the size of the large meetups is not so much a demonstration of their group's prowess as it is their location -- they typically have a SMALLER percentage of their actual population. The rural groups often have two, three or even five times the ratio of the cities... but all groups are small compared to the size and history of the political parties.)

Our size in opposition to that party is minuscule, both in numbers and resources. BUT as a faction WITHIN those parties (whose members are often LESS involved than our own) -- we can use our "weight" to far greater affect -- especially if we do so LONG-TERM by accepting positions and duties within the party.

HOW? In most cases, simply by showing up on a regular basis, and volunteering. The local Congressional District Chairperson is in his late-twenties. How did he get to be District Chairman? Well, when he was just 19 (NINETEEN!) he volunteered to "help" as an "assistant" and became vice-chairman of the local COUNTY party -- mainly because there was no one else willing. Within 6 months, the local county party chairman retired and moved away -- by default he was promoted to County Chairman. When something similar happened two years later with the District Chairman, he was "promoted" to that spot -- again mainly because the OTHER county chairmen did not want to do the job. So basically by being there and volunteering (fool) with a few short years he is in charge of one of the major Congressional District party positions. If he persists, within a few years he may end up as state party chairman (a post which has already changed hands several times in the last few years).

So the point of it all is this -- Ron Paul spent the past 30 YEARS of his life -- 20+ of which working within the party. If we multiply that to THOUSANDS of "Ron Pauls" like us, and we remain dedicated to the cause, even for just ONE more election cycle... gaining ground and support along the way ...THEN how can we fail?

And a closing thought to echo the one in my first point above. If the GOP nominee is NOT Ron Paul then they will very likely LOSE the general election. When that happens, that previously "victorious" nominee will not look so good ...and his most "rabid" supporters will lose heart and essentially leave the party in disillusion (they will NOT attend meetings, in part out of shame). Which means in the LOCAL PARTY MEETINGS during the spring of 2009 -- when most LOCAL party officers are chosen -- We can step into the void and BECOME the Republican Party, be in control of the tiller, and turn the ship around to take advantage of the GROWING demographic-driven voters for Liberty!

THAT is why we must stay and fight the LONG fight, this is just one battle, and the winner is the group that stays for the LONG TERM and does NOT RETREAT. (Army's mainly lose wars NOT by dying, but by losing heart and running away.)

DITTO

DITTO

TOTALLY AGREE, SO DOES RON

TOTALLY AGREE, SO DOES RON PAUL.

Absolutely Disagree

We formed a niche for FREEDOM. This was NEVER about reforming a party. We will accomplish NOTHING MORE by buying into this two-party duality. TIME urgently suggests that the window to actually save this country is closing fast....much faster than some B.S. "reform" of a totally corrupt, big-government establishment pork party diseased to the core and tainted so badly the very name CLOSES minds, not opens them.

Congratulations to those living in Ron's congressional district....at least YOU have someone fighting for your little world.

I wish our country had someone similar.

"Luctor et Emergo" - Struggle and Emerge

Nothing says "get rid of two party duality"more than...

reforming the republican party from the inside out!

Let's just get a couple of GOOD people in local and state Republican seats in each state and watch the party turn chaotic!

JhnGlt... It would take decades to start a new party. Look at the Libertarians: They started in 71 and how far have they gotten? At least not far enough for much thought. The Rep and Dem work together to keep out any new party, because they don't want to lose control.

So, let's reform what we already have, rather than build something else that will be met with so much resistance that none of our goals will EVER be met.

Hi Tracy

...thanks for reading. I have to disagree with the logic, though. America is the ONLY country in the civilzed world to have only two parties. All other first-world democracies have several parties and proportional representation that allows for multiple prespectives in government and nuanced, reasoned debate. Changing one party from within still creates the inherent "us-them" dichotomy that I believe is a huge part of our current problems. It creates a "team sport" mentality the short circuits debate, logic, and intelligence. It purposely appeals to our basic, tribal instincts...in order for the "chiefs" to CONTROL us.

Getting GOOD people in governmental seats does NOT require a Democrat/Republican affiliation.

The Libertarians are a PERFECT example: they are waiting for someone of INTEGRITY to COME BACK to their beliefs......a la Ron Paul.

If Ron ran with the Libertarian (ON the ballot in 50 states!), this movement would go into a whole new gear. A 10 million dollar money bomb would be easy. OUR VOICE WOULD BE HEARD....and a huge number of Americans would be reintroduced to Liberty as a philosophy.

REform what, exactly? A bureaucratic, corrupt, ENTRENCHED, antagonistic, hostile old boys/girls club. The resistance from WITHIN is inherently greater than anything you would experience in trying to appeal to all of America.

"Luctor et Emergo" - Struggle and Emerge

Parties

I have to disagree on strategy here. We're already seeing how easy it is for us to overtake the GOP through the convention process. In many states RP supporters are already garnering majorities, many sufficient to start kicking out the neocons. Once this is accomplished, it will be far easier to begin opening ballot access to third parties and perhaps then we can become a multi-party nation.

Trying to do this through a third party is nigh impossible. If you think you'll encounter resistance in taking over the GOP (which we already hae, but we've already managed to overcome it all across the country), just wait until you try running third-party candidates in a defacto two-party system. Talk about resistance!

Contrary to what I understood you to be saying, the Libertarian party is NOT on the ballot in all 50 states. In fact, in Oklahoma, my home state, you have to have 74,000 (out of a voting population of about 1.5 million) signatures on a petition collected within 90 days(!) just to put a single third-party candidate on the ballot ONE TIME. Like Dr. Paul has said, the rules are slanted against third parties. So the only way to open up the system is from within (much like the Trojan Horse).

If you think you're going to open up the system from the outside through a third party, you're kidding yourself. Who do you think changes the ballot access laws? Elected officials. Officials elected from which parties? You guessed it.

I agree, GWB and DC have totally destoyed the GOP

Even if RP somehow got the nomination, I'm not convinced he could overcome the negativity associated with it. In spite of what everyone else thinks, I almost think he'd have a better chance as a Libertarian or Indy. But hey, what do I know?

I loved the rally! LOVED IT.

I loved the rally!

LOVED IT.