Ya know, I see a lot of people here ruling out ANY compromise
that would pair Dr Paul with another candidate at the convention. So how do you expect to get him on the ticket? Will the other candidates delegates suddenly have a change of heart and come running to our man?
We are going into the convention without enough delegates to win by a wide margin.
Lets say McCain has 900 delegates
Huckabee has 700
we have 300
we pick up all 299 of romney's (not likely, although as you saw in WA we got a lot of his supporters)
that leaves under 200 uncommitted. We get ALL of them (not likely)
then we have McCain 900
huck 700
RP 800
Of these three people
1 will be the presidential nominee
1 will be the vice presidential nominee
1 will go home
I can't see us pairing with McCain
if we don't pair with Huck either, then McCain will.
Huck is not that far from our positions. in fact he's been using our positions instead of his sometimes.
This is not an abstract thread. If we decide now to cooperate to kill McCain's bid, we are pretty much guaranteed a spot as either pres or VP
McCain's 900
If McCain goes in with 900 all bets are off. He won't have enough to hold those 900 going into the convention. That means ALL of the delegates will be free to vote as uncommitted.
So your equation falls apart at McCain goes in with 900.
If all the delegates are not committed,
There is a lot that could come out on McCain and Huckabee that their delegates are probably not aware of that could make them change their minds.
I don't think TV shows all the stuff we see on the internet. Do all of McCain's delegates know that he said for us to stay in Iraq 100 more years, or know about him singing Bomb Iran to the Beach Boys song Barbara Ann? Sickening. Do his delegates realize he was instrumental in blocking investigation that could've recovered POW's?
If his delegates didn't already know that, how could they stomach him if they knew?
Do Huck's delegates know that he lied about having a theology degree, or about all the people that gave him gifts as governor and many of them got appointed to state posts, or about him crushing the computer hard drives at the end of his term as governor (I think to the tune of $300,000+), or about the promise that he made according to Ken Copeland, who is under investigation, that Huck would stand with him anytime, anywhere, on ANY issue?
Huckabee said he doesn't want to be VP, so I could see him going negative on McCain. Remember the press conference he had to say he was NOT going to do a negative ad on Romney, but then showed it anyway?
Also, vets unhappy with McCain, Christians unhappy about Huckabee. I could see both groups exposing them like the firefighters did to Giuliani. McCain and Huck might not even have to do it to each other for people to find out about them.
Without the distraction of the other candidates(Romney, Giuliani, Thompson) RP will surely have to look better to the delegates.
I would remind you that
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! -- Barry Goldwater
Some people ask me
why I would vote for Ron Paul and waste my vote. I tell them I would rather be right and lose than be wrong and win. If Paul, or I, compromise then we would be just like everyone else. Paul isn't like everyone else which is why I like him. If I wanted to compromise I would vote for McCain, Huckabee, Romney, etc, etc, etc. There are LOTS of good choices out there if you want a good compromiser.
die thread die!
die thread die!
Sarah Palin
No compromise, Sarah Palin should be his VP, end of story.
I will compromise when Dr. Paul does.
'Nuff said.
Compromise Is Why USA Is In Such Bad Shape
Most politicians have no valid principles to guide their decisions. The few that have had them compromised so many times once in Washington DC that they just get swallowed up by the corrupt system.
With out compramise
there would be no USA.
It is about what you are willing to compromise and what you are not.
But Compromise has to be part of it
We disagree deeply
.
More has been done to accomplish
Liberty by the use of compromise than war.
"The United states reolution is unique
in that it was a war that promoted more liberty"
You know who said that?
Ron Paul.
OWNED BIATCH
Doesn't sound like
you owned anyone there. Maybe just in your mind. If that's all it takes, you should be real proud of yourself.
Only thing I owned above is you
Crazy libs all over this forum.
Need to call the exterminator.
Good now that we agree that I own you
would you please stfu.
= )
Just kidding
I've never seen a thread get
I've never seen a thread get truncated so far to the right... this window is tiny! :P
The nominee in a brokered
The nominee in a brokered convention does not have to be someone who ran for the office originally, does it? I'm not sure, but I am not claiming to be sure. Please, before you post any analysis, be 100% sure you have all your premises 100% correct. In other words, compromise may be possible, but not a compromise that would put one of the neocons in office. It's Dr. Paul's call. Our job is just to get as many delegates as possible.
If no candidate has a clear majority
then the voting continues on and on. James Garfield won the nomination on the 39th ballot! And he didn't even want to be president! I think he was the treasurer or campaign chair for one of the candidates. AANYONE, including Dr.Paul, can win the nomination.
h-daddy
I'll be one of the ones working out the compromise
at the convention. It sure would be nice if i could get a consensus before I go.
Ask the national campaign
If it comes to it, the national campaign will tell you what you should do.
I am going to flag my own message. This thread should die.
Wake up!? It isn't up to anyone on here! It is
Dr. Paul's decision and he will do what he believes.
Your wrong, it's up to the delegates at the convention
just give me some guidance, that's all I ask. So far the guidance has been walk away and go home. Is that what Dr Paul would do?
Whose "compromise" is it?
Dr. Paul will make any such compromises himself and what ever deals are cut he is fully able to cut them for HIS campaign. We don't really have any say except that he may take some of our suggestions and mull them over.
I, personally, like Andrew Napolitiano because he is as close to Dr. Paul in his stands as I have ever seen anyone be. He also edified Dr. Paul very well at a recent FFF meeting. See for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IgTFHsUjoY
For the entire speech Part 1 starts at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QwTKKSvR8
3 other segments available
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." -Mark Twain
Compromise is what makes America great
Compromise is what America Great.
Example:
You have to expose yourself to solar cancer casing radiation to collect food.
You have to breath O2 to make ATP to power your body. O2 makes you old and die.
compromise
nowadays compromise is dialoging to consensus
Consensus is the very essence of the Hegelian Principle. The Hegelian Principle was formulated by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831), German philosopher. Hegel was greatly influenced by Immanuel Kant, known as the "father of the romanticist movement." Kant's attack on reason, this world, and man's happiness paved the way for future philosophers to reject the tenets of reason and logic for subjectivism and relativism. Hegel was no exception. Born in Stuttgart, Germany, Hegel was a philosophical idealist. He maintained that the mind was the source of all reality; the individual mind to be an estranged part of one universal Mind, that through the process of rational dialectic that Mind would be restored to oneness. [1] This "rational dialectic" is the basis of the Hegelian Principle or Dialectic wherein "an entity passes over into and is preserved and fulfilled by its opposite" [2] through a three part process:
a. thesis: "embodying a particular view or position;"
b. antithesis: "providing an opposing or contrary position;" and
c. synthesis: "which reconciles the two previous positions and then becomes the basis of a new thesis." [3]
"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32
I won't compromise
I won't compromise because Ron Paul does not compromise. How many times was he the sole NO vote? That is the example I want to follow.
I am working to be a delegate for Ron Paul. If I become a delegate I will vote vote Ron Paul only. I will not compromise my vote. I did not do it in my primary and I will not do it if I am a delegate.
I also wonder what makes people think any of those men would want to be VP under Ron Paul. They will never do that.
I also am not going though all of this effort to get Ron Paul on a ticket as VP.
In it to win it.
Doesn't the candidate have
Doesn't the candidate have to win the nomination BEFORE he can name a vice-presidential running mate? If so, this is all completely beside the point, and a waste of time to even consider.
Ditto
Agree
http://suzanrobertson.blogspot.com
Only Nuts think they live in perfect world
Compromise is what America Great.
Example:
You have to expose yourself to solar cancer casing radiation to collect food.
You have to breath O2 to make ATP to power your body. O2 makes you old and die.
I'm sickof holding my nose to vote
and a little touchy, I guess. I also think about trolls looking for the way to lure me to another candidate, and want to assure them that is futureless. When Ron announces his running mate, I will worry about it. Until then, it is all useless chatter.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.