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Toledo Mayor kicks Marines out of town
Submitted by annien on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 01:40
Toledo Mayor kicks Marines out of town. They were practicing urban warfare, or was this one of those martial law exercises? http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-50/12026... The media is of course making him out to be the bad guy. If you want to send him your support, here is his email: » |
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I'm so sick of hearing about
I'm so sick of hearing about this shit...all over the news and the paper, then i gotta come on daily paul and it's here. Next somebody will probably post something about Finkbeiner and his dog.
Berkeley "Traitors"
Take a look at what's going on at Berkeley University when they decided they didn't want the Marine recruiters on campus... every fascist fantasy freak is out there -- some actually calling for the use of baseball bats to take care of the "pinko traitors". Adolf Hitler would be proud of these "Patriots". Now, all we need is another 9/11 to help these Nazis and Neocons onto the road to full power. I wonder if anyone remembers the Reichstags Fire? .
Stirner.
Carty Finkbeiner is ANCIENT !!
WOW. And here I thought Robert Byrd had been in office for a long time. I guess it's actions like this that please the people and fuel re-election.
I grew up in Toledo in the mid 70s and Carty was mayor then. I went to high school with Marcy Kaptur's (U.S. Congresscritter) daughter, Regina.
If you are not OUTRAGED, you're not paying attention!
Me too.
and went to High School at St. Johns. in Maumee. Nearly puked when I saw an old classmate on FOX - William La Jeunesse...he was a squirrel then as well...
**Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -Ayn Rand- **
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both sons in the military
politepaulite
Both sons are Ron Paul supporters. I would rather them practice techniques here safely then learn them in an actual war.
This is no different than when they drag their mom to a gun range to teach me how to shoot. Mom, if you are going to have guns in the house, you better know how to use them.
Yes, Bush never should have gone to Iraq. But we must learn to defend ourselves in case of a real attack.
politepaulite
The military has training
The military has training facilities that are simulated cities, but they are not inhabited. It is not necesscary for these exercises to take place in actual cities. It is more likely that this is an attempt to get citizens used to military presence in their backyard. That way when Bush declares martial law, everyone will think it is "business as usual".
Folks, whether we know it or
Folks, whether we know it or not yet, there will come a time when we are either Enemies of The State or Collaborators.
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
Yep
All thanx to HR 1955
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
Thanks you guys..........
Because of this,.......if they ever came to my house both police and military,...........I could sue them because it seems it violates 2 Federal Laws (Insurrection Act of 1807 and Posse Comitatus Act)
What is Bush trying to do? Tip Toe on Broken glass his last months? What a moron! I bet the Marines are happy there dumb exercises are done, they're reservist by the way. Wait a minute, I saw Army reserves training here I should say in Camp Pendleton the other day! Is it drilling time or what? I thought they drilled in the summer?
Don't be too paranoid people, loosing guns is not as bad as loosing your life, but remember, what the law doesn't know wont hurt. Become friends with your local gunshop and findout how they work and look into the laws. Rest assured they are here to stay.
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
The Insurrection Act and and Posse Comitatus were...
repealed by Executive Order last year.
I've read that it becomes law as soon as it is officially printed.
But, someone just said it had to be repealed by Congress.
This needs some research.
You know, this just again
You know, this just again reminds me that in order to preserve our rights, we have to EXERCISE them as well --- just like a body! If this mayor had just knuckled under and did not do what he did, that would have emboldened the feds even more. Just like the thread that was here recently about the police making "voluntary" searches for guns in homes in the Boston area --- if those people meekly accept it, you know it will only get worse, and those searches would continue and probably not be so "voluntary" after a while. The boiling frog gets a little warmer .....
Dis tout
Agree, excercise your rights or you'll forget you have any!
Posse Comitatus Act
Bush may think he has trumped it at the Federal level but there is the little issue of the State level. The Mayor is no fool as he knows Posse Comitatus is alive and well because only Congress can overturn it, good for him!!!
The Defense Autorization Act of 2007 overturned it
a/k/a John Warner Act
The mayor of San Antonio threw Delta force out several yrs. ago
an old film but has some legit info...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1551348336255792191
M.J.T.F. multi jurisdictional task force.......working in tandem with local police doing gun confiscation drills.
Katrina was a dry run..
This mayor should be commended....he is a brave man.
I know I will be writing him a thank you,and I hope other patriots will too.
For about a year now there has been
a "do not obey an illegal order" movement within the armed forces.
Spread it around. Sounds like the constitution to me.
Unify
My husband recently got out
My husband recently got out of the Marine Corps. and he really takes his oath seriously; as do most others I'm sure.
oath?
What oath? To the president and constitution? That was the oath I took, but its over now, and my oath is the constitution and my country. Marines, the few the proud.........
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
The Constitution! The
The Constitution! The President has already proven himself a domestic enemy, plus the war is unconstitutional and therfore the orders he decrees are as well.
I have a different experience
My friend who is in the marines, says he doesn't care if a president follows the constitution or not. Only that he keep the people safe.
He also says that if ordered to take guns from Americans, that he would do so and he'd go door to door, gun ready to go if needed.
I've ran into others like this too.
An order is an order, to him. That frightens me.
Your friend needs some education.
His job is to keep us free, and that comes over an above keeping us "safe".
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Hmm....
We all support our troops but as I realist I must point out that they aren't always the most intellectual people you can meet. I was in the army and drove a tank (MOS 19K, if you're that interested). I wouldn't trust most of those who were in my platoon with my car keys let alone a tank. Many who go into the service at this point are: 1. Way too motivated to carry a gun. 2. Want money for school. 3. Have nowhere else to go.
PS. The Marines have the lowest standard on the ASVAB for admission. Ever take one?
I'm not trying to be mean or offend anyone but it's true. I shall never return to this forum now in order to avoid unpleasantries. =)
Ron Paul 2008!
NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.
LOL
From a 19A....
You might be interested in knowing that the Marines, while they have the lowest entrance requirement, they have the highest average of all the branches.
Is prepared to kill the
Is prepared to kill the Americans he claims to be protecting? If he comes to my door for my gun i will split a melon.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
sounds like nazi germany to me
Didn't the Nazis just follow orders????? This philosophy is being trained here. It's everywhere. Do not be afraid friends. Evil FEEDS on our fears. Be strong and only spread your light. That's our mission. Evil cannot survive in light.
Peace and light
Peace and light
He is probably a grunt or mp.....
but like all Marines, the are all talk,......I know, I used to be one...........the only thing is is that you should tell him he should be prepared to face charges and also he is in violation of the constitution, which goes against his oath and would be a hypocrite its also something in which he should read if he wants to keep his career. I know they tell you do what your told and ask questions later, but the better part of the Corps should question something like that. I know I would. And don't forget, they represent the military, so they try to be politically correct sometimes, so they say the things people want to hear, or should, to prove they are loyal.
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
Well surely there are some
Well surely there are some completely brainwashed zombies. But if most military had that attitude, Ron Paul would have the least donations from them. Is he an MP? My friend's husband was an MP, and he and his friends seemed this type. They were so stupid though. Their idea of fun was gettin really drunk and beating each other up, then when that got boring they'd go down to the barracks and find a "boot' (new Marine), and beat the crap out of him. Of course they wouldn't get in trouble because they'd protect each other and they were the law. That authority wouldn't last long if the Marines revolted, I'm sure there would be a few who would enjoy the revenge.
My son is in the military
and gets out next year and wants to be in the state patrol so I suggested he be an MP..His response was to laugh and say are you kidding and I will not repeat what else he said..but it follows the same lines as you said above
about being stupid and doing stupid stuff.
Sorry if anyone here was a MP as no disrespect is intended, I'm sure there are good MP's the same way there are good cops and bad cops.
Yes, there were a few good
Yes, there were a few good MP's. They mostly stayed to themselves and were a bit older.
Too bad our politicians find
Too bad our politicians find their oaths so easy to break! Well, all but one ....