FactCheck.org has posted a very negative article on our man

but you can detect the biases in the piece......look at their address and you can see their loyalties

Annenberg Public Policy Center
Nation Press Building
Washington DC

I'd say they're part of the "inside establishment team", wouldn't you?

Here are the links. The first is to a very reputable ezine (Human Events) which points to the obvious design to create a North American Union by effectively erasing our boarders with Mexico, similar to the EU.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

The second is from the CFR and it is obvious that Bush was merely implementing this Rockefeller organizations recommendations when he signed "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America".

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAme...

No conspiracy? Then what would YOU call it? Sell Out?
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that anything that comes forth from the government with a benevolent, or warm and fuzzy name is something to run away from as the intent is the opposite. Some that come to mind is the one is this article the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership' [sure for who?], the 'Patriot Act', Homeland Security, etc.etc.

I wrote...
I’m totally confused on your facts on Ron Paul and the Super Highway. (I understand you point on Ronald Reagan and the trillion dollar thing, though it doesn’t make me question his integrity.) But the TTC is a reality—I live in TX. It is being discussed about extending it into OK. The TTC will be a new parallel road that will take land from people (a may kill my alma mater). Ron Paul never, as far as my research shows, said it was a secret plan. He did say people in Congress didn’t all pay attention to the fact that Congress is spending a bit of money on studying extending it beyond TX. (It is buried in a bill.)

But PLEASE…show me a quote where Ron Paul said anything about a conspiracy or secret plans. Do you really believe that there are not people promoted a North American Union? There are people pushing to legalize marijuana, too. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be educated on the topic and take a stand on it.

And there have been several debates where you have nailed everybody but Paul, so that does give the impression that if you are exposing the facts, he’s clean. Maybe not something that can be proved, but if you are doing your job, you should be checking the facts of all the candidates—especially when you cover specific debates.

I appreciate the service you offer, but am really disappointed in your unfactual presentation about the NAFTA Highway and your stretch to discredit some followers who misunderstood you based on your incomplete coverage. Make me wonder how neutral a service you are really offering.

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This is maybe the worst article ever. Please e-mail these idiots at editor@factcheck.org. Call them if they have a number. Snail mail them if they have an address. Joe Miller is either stupid or evil. Either way, he does not need to write an article ever again for an outfit that claims to "check facts." This article is extremely dangerous precisely for the reason that this website has set itself up as a place to check facts vs lies. When a site named "factcheck" spews lies, we are truly in trouble.

we now have a new definition of the word 'fact', just like WMD was a fact in Iraq and reams of other lies that pass for facts. And if you happen upon something that is a true fact it is thrown in the myth, conspiracy theory pile. Around and around we go, and most people don't question anything anymore.

I sent this email to the editor of Fact Check.
Watch the video. Reconsider your thoughts about the NAFTA superhighway and the SPP. In this video by Congressman Virgil Goode, VA he speaks directly to the issue and names other Presidential candidates who agree with Ron Paul. Wake up. They superhighway won't be called that. It will piss people off. They will simply connect it to other TransTexas corridor type highways under proposal. Colorado Superslab for one. Wake up!

http://restoretherepublic.com/component/option,com_seyret/It...

No wonder Hunter and Tancredo are out too. Why don't they endorse Ron Paul?

These guys are part of a foundation started by a media neo-con.

"The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania."

Media magnate Walter Annenberg controlled important properties in the newspaper, television, and magazine industries. He later sold some of his empire to Poopert Murdick.

I can't believe sensible people read this garbage.

"But the TTC was approved by the Texas Legislature and the governor of Texas."

Wrong the TTC is now under a moritorium because the Legislature has not approved it and resents the Governor's policy.

Missing Trillions?

How much have we spent on Iraq War? How much on foriegn aid? Case closed.

Gipper Flipper?

This is a silly discussion. If whether or not a man has a changing view of a record of an administration over the years is the most interesting "discrepancies among facts" discussion one can have then I say our candidate is in good shape.

Of course, I have changed my view of the Carter administration over the years...having now much more sympathy for the man after Bush and Clinton and Bush...what does my changing opinion say about the *facts* that I assert elsewhere??

Funny they make such a big deal out of the NAFTA super highway. They never discuss the reall issues like, is Ron Paul right about our current and future economic woes? Have we been ignoring the Constitution for all these years? Isn't that the reason we are in most of these messes in the first place? Oh well.. I guess negative press is better than no press huh?

FU$# YOU Factcheck.

Have a nice day everyone!

Go Ron Paul March!

get a website called factcheckthefactcheck.org

thThe accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison

That's what such called "Journalists" are good at. Comment gently in case people who don't know RP stumble in such webshits!

Something smells really bad here. I wonder who is pulling their strings.

go to www.clusty.com

type in Jerome Corsi NAFTA and you will find all you can read.

And what factcheck.org should have read before making a fool of themselves.

They exposed their bias when they took pen and paper.

Let someone talk long enough and they will hang themselves.

You said, "The problem with Paul's claim is that there
are no plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway. Or a North
American Union, for that matter."

Seriously...are you expecting them to just come out
and tell us what they are doing? Well...they do:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/14534/ and

http://www.cfr.org/search.html?q=nor...uthors.pubtype

The CFR is "neither secret nor nefarious" yet it
doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what is
happening.

Regarding the 1 trillion amount that Ron Paul says can
be saved, let's see...are you including the amount we
send to the Arab countries and Israel that Ron Paul
wants to eliminate?? No. Besides, you take into account
inflation and 1 trillion today is 1.2 trillion next year! (Ha!)

Ron Paul has clearly stated his agreement, and then
disagreement with Reagan. He said it live, in front
of Nancy Reagan at the Reagan Library if you were
listening.

Lastly, your organization owes its existence to the
Annenberg foundation where they created the
misinformation about economics via the "Economics USA"
series - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_U%24A

Riddle me this...how come this series doesn't mention
anything about Austrian Economics? Answer: Because
God forbid this kind of information that has heavily
influenced Ron Paul get into the hands of the sheeple!

But believe me, it will. It is my life's passion to
make sure it does. Factcheck that!

not what I expect from factcheck.org. I've never seen them target anything but the words used by candidates; much less attack a candidate's supporters.

One note about their logic point (I was a philosophy major and I tutored logic students for some years, so this REALLY rubbed me the wrong way):

This is factcheck's illustration of the formal fallacy of denying the antecedent:

1. If FactCheck.org writes about a candidate, then that candidate makes some inaccurate claims.
2. FactCheck.org has not written about Ron Paul.
3. Therefore Ron Paul does not make inaccurate claims.

They're right in saying that this would not be a valid argument, BUT their first premise is incomplete, making their argument very different than the Paulites'.

Here is the corrected, valid argument:

1. FactCheck.org writes about EVERY candidate who makes inaccurate claims.
2. Ron Paul is a candidate.
3. FactCheck.org has not written about Ron Paul

4. Therefore Ron Paul has not made inaccurate claims

This is a more accurate representation of the Paulite's argument. This argument is valid, but you may have noticed that it's not "sound," meaning that one or more of the premises is not true. The first premise "FactCheck.org writes about EVERY candidate who makes inaccurate claims." is not true, because they obviously ignore some candidates. So here is the corrected argument that is both valid and sound (this argument form is called a "constructive dilemma"):

1. Either FactCheck.org writes about every candidate who makes inaccurate claims OR FactCheck.org is doing an incomplete job.
2. FactCheck.org has not written about Ron Paul.
3. If FactCheck.org writes about EVERY candidate who makes inaccurate claims, then Ron Paul has not made inaccurate claims.
4. If FactCheck.org is doing an incomplete job, then they are undermining their purpose and are not being fair.

4. Therefore, Either Ron Paul has not made inaccurate claims, OR FactCheck.org is undermining their purpse and are not being fair.

I read that Joe Miller has a masters degree in Philosophy, he really ought to know better.

I stopped reading after I read "Paul claims that a secret conspiracy composed of the Security and Prosperity Partnership and a cabal of foreign companies is behind plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway as the first step toward creating a North American Union. ..."

Do they bother to do any actual checking of any actual facts? Dip$hits...

Fact Check used to be one publication I trusted.

The first thing I noticed was that they said Ron Paul claimed that the NAFTA superhighway was a conspiracy.

In everything I have seen of Dr Paul, he is very careful not to call things a conspiracy.

See you in DC!

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THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
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Walter Annenberg used his money and business to influence political elections and to influence policies that would profit his business. Call him a lobbyist.

Fact Check is a baby of the Annenberg School of Communication and is no doubt used today to influence elections and public opinion, as well.

They have picked only bits and pieces of RP's comments to meet their needs. They chose to ignore ALL costs associated with overseas spending (for example: NASA's costs to put into orbit satellites devoted to foreign spying), to spin it their way. I'm guessing they also didn't take into account the money we are currently borrowing from China to fund this war and the recent stimulus package.

They chose to mention Ron Paul's statement about disassociating himself from Reagan, but failed to mention Ron Paul's explanation of that statement. I'm not going to post the link. Let THEM go find it!

And they chose to try to debunk the NAFTA Superhighway. Well, theoretically they are correct.

It is NOT named the NAFTA Superhighway. It is merely a road expansion, that will be paid by private donations (from Corporations who will charge tolls).

The Texas portion of it is called the TransTexas Corridor, and the Keep Texas Moving website makes it sound like it is only intended for Texas.

Here is a quote about the road NOT called the NAFTA Superhighway from http://www.keeptexasmoving.com:

TxDOT has already taken the first steps in seeking private investment. The Trans-Texas Corridor is a multi-use statewide network of transportation routes that would allow separate lanes for passenger vehicles and large trucks, as well as for freight railways, high-speed commuter rail and infrastructure for various utilities.

So when Ron Paul describes the Not-a-NAFTA-Superhighway road as, "a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside," he's NOT incorrect. Fact Check is incorrect...and lying.

Now, does it only serve Texas?
On this NASCO page, it clearly says:

NASCO is a nonprofit organization dedicated to increasing economic development activity while supporting multi-modal infrastructure improvements, technology / security innovations and environmental initiatives along the NASCO Corridor...NASCO members include cities, counties, states, provinces and private sector representatives along the Corridor in Canada, the United States and Mexico, dedicated to maximizing the efficiency and security of their existing trade and transportation infrastructure. The NASCO Corridor represents the existing trade and transportation infrastructure roughly shadowing U.S. Interstate Highways 35, 29 and 94, and the connecting transportation infrastructure in Canada and Mexico critical to national and international trade. This includes major intermodal "inland ports" along the corridor and under development. As such, we have developed a network of contacts with public and private sector individuals, organizations, companies and public entities, institutes and centers of knowledge, as well as with regulatory and governmental entities from the local, state, provincial and Federal governments of Mexico, the United States and Canada."

Which does go along way in answering the question: Since when is an American road developed by a North American organization?

Of course, the federal government doesn't have the authority to implement such an undertaking. So, the governors of each state must help accomplish this goal. Currently I-35 doesn't meet Mexico. It will. And that's because of Texas Governor Rick Perry (who was hand-picked by GWB, and has called for Huckabee and Paul to drop out of the presidential race, so McCain -- who was recently endorsed by Bush -- can win the GOP nomination) is busy selling out American sovereignty by doing this for his beloved Bush who implemented the SPP.

So, the North American Union is also not a far-fetched idea. The SPP is just a friendly "front" to accomplish all this, because really, do you care about the sizes Canadian baby food is sold in...and do you think ALL this is for that? Furthermore, why does every country have to be the same?

What does the SPP say about all this?

We, the elected leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, gather in Texas to announce the establishment of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

Over the past decade, our three nations have taken important steps to expand economic opportunity for our people and to create the most vibrant and dynamic trade relationship in the world. Since September 11, 2001, we have also taken significant new steps to address the threat of terrorism and to enhance the security of our people.

But more needs to be done. In a rapidly changing world, we must develop new avenues of cooperation that will make our open societies safer and more secure, our businesses more competitive, and our economies more resilient.

Our Partnership will accomplish these objectives through a trilateral effort to increase the security, prosperity, and quality of life of our citizens. This work will be based on the principle that our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary, and will reflect our shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic [not republican as in "and to the Republic, for which it stands, ONE nation under God"] values and institutions. Also, it will help consolidate our action into a North American framework to confront security and economic challenges, and promote the full potential of our people, addressing disparities and increasing opportunities for all.

Let me now say that in America, we don't call the SPP a "treaty." We call it an agreement, so Congressional vote can be bypassed. However, the SPP *is* called a "treaty" in Canada and Mexico. Yes, I know. The administration says Congress has been informed of the SPP plans. But, "being informed" and "Congressional vote" are two very different things.

And to just close this comment up:
1. Fact Check says: Those bright blue lines show only I-35 and I-29 – interstates that already exist. NASCO advocates improvements to existing roads, but is not lobbying for, or planning to build, any new thoroughfares.

Actually: NASCO plans to extend those routes into both Canada and Mexico, making them Intercontinental highways rather than interstates.

2. Fact Check says: But the [TransTexas Corridor] was approved by the Texas Legislature and the governor of Texas. It is a state initiative, but it is not part of a NAFTA Superhighway...

Actually: Here's NASCO's version of the Not-a-NAFTA-Superhighway road showing I-35...
and Here's Texas' Not-part-of-a-NAFTA-Superhighway-TranTexas Corridor plugging right into I-35.

3. Fact Check says: The other parts of the conspiracy are much the same. The SPP – that "quasi-government organization" – is really an actual government organization, organized through the White House..."

Actually: A business/government cooperation is a quasi-government organization. The SPP says, "We held roundtables with stakeholders, meetings with business groups and briefing sessions with legislatures, as well as with other relevant political jurisdictions." The TranTexas Corridor says, "In fact, TxDOT has already taken the first steps in seeking private investment." NASCO says, "As such, we have developed a network of contacts with public and private sector individuals, organizations, companies and public entities, institutes and centers of knowledge, as well as with regulatory and governmental entities from the local, state, provincial and Federal governments of Mexico, the United States and Canada."

And finally, what has NASCO been calling this highway?
"NASCO and the cities, counties, states and provinces along our existing Interstate Highways 35/29/94 (the NASCO Corridor) have been referring to I-35 as the 'NAFTA Superhighway' for many years..."

Why would they call it a NAFTA Superhighway if it wasn't intended to be a NAFTA superhighway?