My Take on the Truthers at the DC Event
Face it, 9-11 Truthers - whether deserved or not - are considered by many people to be whackjobs.
Yes, the majority of people in this country, the whole world for that matter, think that tragic day was an 'inside job'. But that same majority is not willing to devote their lives to that issue, nor are they comfortable around people who wear the 9-11 Truth banners on their sleeves like it's some kind of merit badge.
The Truthers themselves will tell you they are activists. They are demonstrators. They are a large group of vocal and well organized people on a mission.
Unfortunately, the upcoming march in DC is not a 'demonstration'. It is not a rally of 'activists' who are demanding that some 'truth' be told.
It is to be a massive rally of people who support Ron Paul in his bid for the Presidency.
Please note the differences. It's not a 'demonstration', it is a 'rally'. It is not a position for 'demands', it is a position for 'support'.
Ron Paul for President - Help Take Your Country Back!
Where in that sentence did '9-11' come into play? Is there any indication in that sentence that says anything at all about 'the truth behind terrorist attacks in New York'?
I didn't think so.
Truthers showing up and waving flags and banners, and trying to comand the media 'eye' toward their cause makes about as much sense as Truthers showing up at a gay rights festival.. or the Rose parade.
Truthers have their place. They have their commitments. They have their backing, their radio programs, their web sites, their rallys, their organizational skills. And that's a good thing.
But where, in the context of a 'Rally in DC to support Ron Paul for President' , the 9-11 issue has a meaningful place - I just dont see it.
Truthers say that Alex Jones got Ron Paul to run for President. Perhaps this is true, but does that automatically mean that Alex Jones and the Truth movement gets to dictate everything that Ron Paul does, says, what his supporters can and can not do, whether the rally's for the campaign will or will not be subject to their signs and slogans?
If that's what having Ron Paul as President means.. that the 9-11 Truth movement gets to go wherever they want, whenever they want, for whatever reason they want - even when they are politely asked to refrain from doing so - with good reasons to back up those requests - then I dont think any of us would want Ron Paul as President.
Trading a facist dictator government for a self-absorbed, self-important, 'we made you what you are today so our needs come first and dont you dare argue with us about it because it's our right to disrupt your ventures' group isn't on anyone's agenda.
My 2 cents.
CF
I am a "Truther" myself but
I am a "Truther" myself but I think a Ron Paul march is NOT THE PLACE to demonstrate. You will end up not only sabotaging Ron Paul but anyone running on a Ron Paul platform around the country. We've come SO far to have our movement stalled or even killed by such an unnecessary display. This march is NOT about 9/11, period. To everything, there is a season, right? If this was a spontaneous, grassroots march I'd say differently, but this was called for by Ron Paul himself, therefore his name is all over it in a very official way. Truthers, please, use your heads.
Truthers are welcome!! (myself included)
So is everybody else
even the MSM and cheeks full o' nuts McCain
Freedom brings us together - remember 8]
My take...
... is that Truthers got the campaign going and they should be more than welcome at ANY Ron Paul event.
;-)
Ok ColdFusion
As a lover of conspiracy theory, I personally don't know a Ron Paul supporter who doesn't have at least one issue someone would call a conspiracy theory be it 9-11, NAU, JFK, Moon Landing, Nibiru, Global Warming, on and on...My own is the conspiracy of Angslinger, DuPont and Heasrt making cannabis illegal. I've been told more than once my conspiracy theory is BS and I smoke too much pot.
That said, I read your post the other day and I have been thinking about it because it struck me how you set the grounds to divide Ron Paul rEVOLution for the march/rally...I could say, "I support the truthers, they introduced me to Ron Paul, so if they are not good enough for Ron Paul, well that includes me too. I will no longer be supporting Ron Paul because some Ron Paul supporters are targeting truthers and pushing them out".
Perhaps the truthers should boycott the event or ask for permission to hold a counter rally, where they can have their own protection against RP supporters like you?
We can easily remove truthers as RP supporters. I don't know how easy it would be to replace them. Maybe you know and can tell me? Thank you ColdFusion.
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At least pot is organic not like all these drugs big pharma is pushing out. Smoke your brains out !!!!
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I am an industrial hemp activist
A Granger is a member of a farm fraternity. I'm one who would like industrial hemp to replace some of our lost forest and milling industry. I don't think smoking pot should be illegal, but it's not my issue as it is others like the guy who asked Ron Paul how he felt about medical marijuana in New hampshire, Clayton Holten. I'm sure folks have asked Ron paul what he's been smokin' as much as me. All it means is they have no more argument so they insult.
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I agree with this post,
I agree with this post, while i find it amazingly odd that the government knew who did it and had their pictures avqailable within hours of the attack,,,, i believe that this is demonstrative to the common goal.
it gives the establishment ammo to use against us.
what is the common goal?
This is what I'm beginning to wonder about people on this site. Do you even know what Ron Paul is trying to achieve? Do you think his main goal is to be President? I don't. In fact, I don't really think he wants to be President at all, and he does not expect to be. What he wants is for us to overthrow the establishment and return to Constitutional government. The establishment has the media, the military, the police, the money, the nukes, EVERYTHING! Do you think 250,000 dedicated Ron Paul voters can beat them at their own game? What we need is to join forces with all those who believe in the Constitution, want to overthrow the tyrants, and have the balls to do something about it. I think a lot of Ron Paul supporters, especially on this site, are becoming elitists, themselves, convinced that anyone who didn't vote for Ron Paul is an idiot. Ron Paul will not be our central focus when this election is over (although I think we should keep up all the RP sites and meetups), so we need to transition into a more sweeping "resistance" movement. Please, everyone, keep that in mind, and start working towards more inclusive and effective means of fighting back.
imagine
The US government could target a satellite in space and hit it perfectly but could not stop four renegade planes that they knew where off course in one single day ? Think about it ? they try to tell you they didn't have the technology ? The pentagon alone is surrounded by SAM"S and is a no fly zone. Think ? not possible ? no shit !
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This march has to include several movements
If anybody here thinks there are enough people in the Ron Paul movement alone to create a huge march, you are delusional. If we want to make an impact, we have to link up with several other groups who desire freedom and transparency in government. That will have to include the 9-11 truth movement if we expect to have a decent turnout. All you on this board who alienate them are making a HUGE mistake. We should also link up with anti-war groups, patriot groups, state militia, cubans, anti-immigration groups, healthcare agendas, anti-drug war groups, alternative medicine groups, homeschoolers, religious groups, the list goes on and on. There are a lot of people in this country who have a serious problem with the way our government is running things. If we want to get any attention and make any real changes, we need to combine forces with all of these various factions and create one giant umbrella movement. We might have differences here and there, but we should not allow ourselves to be divided and conquered. Let's put aside our petty differences and bring together all movements whose basic desire is freedom. Then we can march on Washington with numbers not seen since the Civil Rights Movement. Without numbers like that, we will not achieve anything real.
Maybe if we would have done a better job at including other movements during the campaign we would have had a better turnout.
I would never bring a "911 Truth" sign to a Ron Paul event but
911 was an inside job.
All who show up are welcome..
I just ask that they concentrate on the theme of the March.
The constitution, liberty and message of Dr. Paul..
Ron Paul's Message
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/37640
This march should be, in essence, The March For Freedom, Liberty, and the Constitution, Led By Ron Paul, as opposed to simply The March For Ron Paul
It is an unavoidable reality that there will be individuals who show up at this march and express controversial points of view. Even if you were able to get every single Ron Paul supporter to agree on which views should and should not be expressed (which will never happen), there will be people who show up who are not even supporters of Ron Paul. Some will even be our enemies seeking to undermine and divide us.
If it is The March For Ron Paul, there will inevitably be some Ron Paul supporters who will try to silence those who express views that they find too controversial (with the good intentions of "protecting" Ron Paul and his campaign). There will division amongst the marchers and a widespread collectivist mentality that is contrary to what Ron Paul stands for.
If it is The March For Freedom, Liberty and The Constitution, Led By Ron Paul, we will not be prone to such division and collectivism. We won't encourage this collectivist mindset where everyone argues about what hurts Ron Paul and what doesn't and who needs to be censored by the majority. Though most of the people there will be loudly supporting Ron Paul (as they should), there will not be a need for one group of people to try to silence another. There won't be a discussion about whether or not "we" should "let" people exercise their first amendment rights. Instead, we can all embrace the fact that people are exercising their God-given right to speak freely, which is a big part of what we are fighting to preserve by marching in the first place.
Furthermore, we will show the country and the world that, unlike the supporters of other candidates, we support Ron Paul not because of a cult of personality, but because we share his values and beliefs. We will demonstrate that we don't just talk the talk of freedom, we walk the walk and practice what we preach.
"The freedom message brings us together; it doesn't divide us"
- Ron Paul
"Truther" is a slur. Most
"Truther" is a slur. Most Truthers just want what everyone should want, the truth. More transparency in government should be a major talking point for us. No one advocates government accountability like those seeking RP for office. That is why we draw so many people that feel 9/11 was an inside job. Thats usually not the only aspect that they support of rp's campaign. I. after many months of careful study and consideration, have come to the conclusion that 9/11 was orchestrated by elements within our own society. That doesn't mean I don't think RP is smart even though he doesn't espouse those beliefs. I don't even think he secretly believes that. I pray everyday that he is right. I have never, in my life, wanted so badly to be proven wrong. I love RP's platform, all of it. The only aspect of being a "truther" that draws me to RP, is the promise of a transparent government. I don't even care if we go back and find out for sure. I just want to know that we'll never have leaders that do secret things with the product of my labor. I get sick thinking about the money I earned that was spent on bombs *shiver*
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."- JFK
The Ultimate Truther Group
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1381640232?b...
I was lucky to be asked to do communications for this truther group. And it felt strange yet wonderful to be in the capitol of the superpower of the world - in broad daylight - interacting with D.C.P - N.P.D. - S.S. & EMS employees.
That took courage.
The Mall is big - really big.
"GINO" = Government In Name Only
We should all act stupid because America acts stupid...
Sounds like the U.S. Department of Ed. has done it's job well... dumb 'em down.
It's facism and collectivism to even think about isolating any group of people - especially for non-violently calling attention to government secrecy.
It's heroic to persist in the demand for government truth.
Heroes make people uncomfortable - until the truth comes out finally.
While my thought patterns have never paralleled 'we made you what you are today so our needs come first and dont you dare argue with us about it because it's our right to disrupt your ventures' ... I was politically disinterested and apathetic, working for Brown Brother's Harriman Bank (Prescott Bush) until someone shared information with me that made me question 9/11. Now Ron Paul's campaign dominates my whole life.
"GINO" = Government In Name Only
Prescott Bush
Vote RON PAUL 2008
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Yeah sure..
Rosie, Charlie, WILLIE NELSON and Craig Roberts and a MILLION OTHER PAST MEMBERS OF GOVERNMENT AND OTHERS...
SAY WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH... the "TRUTH"
As in WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND WHY...
But I guess they are all just high..
I guess buildings all COLLAPSING THROUGH THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS..
Is a very very very common place occurence...
SURE
Up to this point I had hoped thruthers would be discreet
However, NOW we are looking to show our "TRUE" support, and that includes the 9/11 truth movement. If we are the only ones telling the truth, let's tell it all and show that we are not idiots believing the mass media. I personally do not believe the "official" story, who could? Buildings falling by themselves, pictures of firemen in front of massive beams that were cut at an angle. Lets get real. These people, like Dr Paul. really are telling the truth. Let's finally give them some respect for their non-befuddles observations. I for one welcome ALL supporters to participate.
You Are So Very Right - And Look At These High Numbers
Vote RON PAUL 2008
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Over 1/3rd of Americans believe some government complicity in 9/11. Over 1/3rd translates as over 100 MILLION people here in our country alone. Actually I believe I've seen elsewhere an even greater number approaching 2/3rds -- that would be a number closer to 200 million considering at last census it was reported we had over 300 million citizens of this land).
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll
Regardless, 100 MILLION people who have some questions in their mind regarding this subject should be turned into our advantage somehow. It's a lot of people, a lot of smart intelligent thinking people. Maybe a few weirdos mixed it, but that's a give with anything.
Vote RON PAUL 2008
Well
I wish y'all the best at the "whatever it is".
I showed a movie to one of my relatives a couple of days ago, this being Feb. 21, and she said that "she didn't want to know that the government did it". This is rough stuff without a doubt! I won't press the issue but reguardless, I believe it to be true! I'm not convinced that it belongs at a "march". It'll stand on its own if enough folks are willin' to SHOUT about it!
Not necessarily the best one but it has good parts:
911 Conspiracy - In Plane Sight - ThePowerHour.com
I suspect parts of are on YouTube.
In Plane Sight, although it
In Plane Sight, although it makes some good points, has some glaring holes. I won't discuss them here, however:
Whenever I talk to people about 911, I always raise a very simple point. I hold up a piece of paper and something much heavier, and I ask:
"Which will fall to the ground first?"
Most all of them will say: "the other object (not the piece of paper)"
"Why?"
"Because (the other object) weighs more than the paper"
So I crumple the paper into a very tight ball and drop the 2 objects from the same height. They hit the ground at the same time. People say "you changed the paper"..and yes, I did...but I didn't change it's WEIGHT. Then I explain that an object's *aerodynamic drag* NOT it's weight, determines the speed of it's fall. From this simple analogy it is relatively easy to show that it is impossible for the towers to have fallen at free fall speed into the path of most resistance, unless that resistance had been taken out first. This also leads to 911's other big blunder - the free fall of WTC 7 that wasn't hit by a plane.
As for videos, I suggest these:
"The news special you never saw" (dated, but good historical references). Excellent starting point for 911. If you want to introduce people to 911, this is a great film to get started, primarily because of it's historical reference to past lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtOpj8O0r4
Eric Hufsmed's "painful deceptions"
(I think Eric makes good points, but unfortunately has gone off on a tangent about Zionists and Jews, which I don't agree with, and has undermined his own work with these rantings. However, there is decent logic in his dissemination of 911 in his videos)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_q6j6BZkHQ
If you are really game, watch an analysis of the TV news coverage of 911 here. *Warning* - not for those unwilling to completely leave the media matrix and accept it's corporate influence. You might lose your mind and physically smash your television watching this:
http://livevideo.com/socialservice
Start with September Clues.
Also:
The fate of the passengers? http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/911passengerlist.html
Check this site to look up your own dead relatives, friends, or other people you knew(Social Security Death Index):
http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/
I did - and I found every dead person I searched for. Couldn't find alot of the passengers though. This was some time back, things might have changed, but at the time....
One more thing. In case anyone is unaware, there are some very smart people (you know, officials and the like :p) who don't beleive the official story. Some have had the courage to post their name. Here is a partial list:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
We are far from alone.
Give me a break.
Yes, the majority of people in this country, the whole world for that matter, think that tragic day was an 'inside job'.
If that's true, then it's one more example of the dismal job our public schools have done in teaching critical thinking skills.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
The march
will be whatever it becomes.
There is no way to control thousands of people for crying out loud!!
But all of Ron Paul's true supporters...
Should at least try to come to some consensus on the tone of the thing. That will be dictated by the campaign and Ron Paul himself I should hope. I'm in favor of making the march as inclusive as possible.. with the only thing being promoted is freedom, prosperity and Constitution rally (order them however you like). I like the previous poster's comments on the freedom, prosperity and Constitution rally led by Ron Paul.
Wow
your a dick.
This is difficult to address. Here's why.
Let's say for a moment that 911 didn't happen, Ron Paul was running for president, and there was a planned march on DC.
Now I have a personal issue with the FDA backing Aspartame. I think it's a poison, and have 2 relatives that were big users who both died of brain tumors. There's also been a ton of independent(not connected to the business in any way), university level research that finds that this product is indeed toxic. However, the official line by industry, manufacturers and others (who are paid by them or quote them :p ) is that it's a wonderful sugar substitute.
Should I use the gathering and possible media attention of an RP march on DC to promote my agenda of banning what I feel is a poison? The answer is no - if it's connected to Ron Paul in any way it's only as a possible distant side issue.
But 911 is different. The heart of Ron Paul's message is the US Constitution. And it's arguable that even though the Constitution has been slowly eroded for many years, this was greatly accelerated after 911.
I personally don't beleive the government's story, nor do I think the Commission report was truly independent and fair. But calling for another *government* investigation is folly, imo. Independent researches have done much more than government could accomplish, even if some powerful people in government didn't have a vested interest in keeping stuff from the public eye.
The fact is, many people are AFRAID to voice what they think. I hold a job working with the public, in Australia(US Citizen) and even here I mentioned recently to a customer that I "didn't beleive the US government's story". She actually sighed releif and thanked me - there are many of us who percieve they are isolated and alone in their beliefs. This is where media has their advantage in perceptions of the herd - silencing us by telling us what the majority thinks, and demonising those who aren't part of the *common*.
Would Ron Paul's campaign have as much support had 911 not happened? Had the war not happened? If people were becoming more aware of Gov instrusiveness, rapid loss of Civil rights, gov in bed with corporations running roughshod over the US Constitution?
I think this is a critical issue, even if Paul shys from it. As long as the official myth of 911 persists, then persons in government will use it to further destroy the Republic, Civil liberties, the Constitution, not to mention getting their way with "protection" by having a "common north American border".
Whatever you beleive about 911 - it is being used by all presidential hopefuls. On this issue, Paul's campaign focuses on the aftermath. In the others to varying degrees - they use it to increase what Paul is campaigning against.
I'd love to see all "truthers" hold signs condemning gov torture, holding up the Constitution, civil rights (even for those feared as enemies), habeous corpus etc. But do any of those things have that much weight when the public is afraid of a handful of nasty crazy arabs who are maniacally murderous in their intention to destroy "freedom"?
Ron Paul
Has sponsored alot of anti-big pharma bills.
So your argument doesn't work.
Bottom line - we (including me) want to keep 9/11 issues in the bottle. We don't want to be ridiculed or emabarrassed.
We want the masses to like us or they might not vote for Ron Paul.
Well guess what, we can't manage a revolution. It has a life and power of it's own.
It is uniting people from every walk of life and political persuasion.
Managing a revolution is like trying to manage a hurricane.
We can only manage the aftermath.
"GINO" = Government In Name Only
I couldn't agree more...
Alex is a total nut-job! And 9/11 truthers make me look bad!
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