Delegates!!! McCain is not a lock for the nominee.....here is the math.... Please keep this post current
Some are it again on this site, saying that McCain will be the nominee.....
I wish you people understood the delegate process and stop folding like a house of cards.....if that were the case, don't you think RP would have quit by now?
Do some research!!!!
When McCain reaches 1191 as declared by the MSM, that will really not be the case. He is not guaranteed all of those delegates.
HE MUST WIN THE 1191 DELEGATES AT THE CONVENTION!!!!
DID YOU GET THAT!!!!
HE DOES NOT WIN THE DELEGATES DURING THE PRIMARIES!!!
Bound or pledged delegates are committed to the winner of the primary to vote for that candidate in the first round.
Many states have yet to pick delegates. Of those that have, RP has very high delegate counts even though he hasn't won a single primary. How? Well people just simply apply. More of RP supporters are willing to become delegates than McCaine supporters.....Ask some here that have become RP delegates.
The primaries and caucases are nothing more than window dressing. Delegates are not chosen the day of the primary/caucas.
The only thing the primaries/caucases do is commit the BOUND/PLEDGED delegates to the winner either by winner take all or proportioned out.
At the convention, there will be bound.pledged and unbound/unpledged delegates. NOT ALL DELEGATES FOR EACH STATE ARE BOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The unbound/unpledged can vote for anyone!!!!!
At the convention, if McInsane does not get 51% of the delegate vote on the first round, then they vote again. In the next round, delegates can vote for whomever they want.
Read and learn please!!!!! and spread the word to everyone you can.
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According to the sight below, here are the bound and unbound totals as of today.....McCain has 796 bound and 18 unbound delegates.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-PU.phtml
Now lets do some math:
McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1191
Of the remaining states:
texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
ohio - 88 UNBOUND
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound
wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
vermont - 17 bound
idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
hawaii - 20 bound
pennsylvannia - 74 UNBOUND
oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
puerto rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
north carolina - 69 bound
indianna - 27 bound and 30 UNBOUND
kentucky - 45 bound
mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
RI - 17 bound and 3 unbound
nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
new mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound
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There are 561 bound delegates left of which Mr. McCain must win 71% of to reach 1191.....now when was the last time he won with 71% of the vote?
Now Huck will probably win nebraska, kentucky, miss, and SD.......if this happens, then McCain would have to win just about every remaining delegate, and that is not likely to happen.
Basically, McCain would almost have to run the board of the other states to win......not likely.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Vermont is the only winner take all state remaining, so even if McCain wins a state, he does not get all of the bound delegates.
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THE MSM IS LUMPING BOTH BOUND AND UNBOUND IN THEIR TOTALS.......VERY MISLEADING
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So get your heads out of the MSM garbage!!!
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NOW MARCH ON TROOPS!!!!
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http://www.republicansource.com/primaries.htm
http://www3.webng.com/ronpaul/becomedelegate.html
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/02/7080_a_...
Why in the world?
Why in the world is this post even here?
Surely this must be in error?
Can someone please either explain this post which is OLD or remove it?
PLEASE?
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
According to the greenpapers
According to the greenpapers link provided, McCain has more than enough "bound" delegates to secure the nomination.
How does DVD for Delegates plan to convince "bound" delegates to vote for Ron Paul, when reneging on their moral duty likely would win a 1st class ticket out of the Republican Party? Sure, there's some Ron Paul delegates that don't give a fuck, but what about the delegates who have been in the party for the long haul?
I need a good laugh...
...somebody bring in the disinfo troll(s) to say that this post is "spam" and hurtful to the "movement" and so forth.
It's obvious that the delegates decide everything at the convention.
If you are so inclined, please pray to the Good Lord to help us show these delegates the light of liberty that has been shrouded from their sight and to nominate Ron Paul as the Republican Presidential Nominee.
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"We really do have...a once in a lifetime opportunity to take the Republican Party back to where it was." -Kent Snyder, 1959-2008
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
yup...
you got it. i've been saying this for ages.
mccain does NOT have it locked in.
it ALL comes down to the convention!
thanks for posting and everybody please spread this message to people
who think it's over.
Ron Paul is My President
How About A Little Divide And Conquer??
We should convince some of the Romney, Huckabee etc. to vote for their guys in order to get past the first vote, then win 'em over from there.
You seem to know a lot about this
can you explain what Rule 38 of the GOP means regarding being bound to the unit rule?
"RULE NO. 38
Unit Rule
No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or congressional district to impose the unit rule. "
It follows rule 37 which deals with roll call vote for the candidates and seems to me that the unit rule which is a directive to vote in unity on the motion is not allowed by either your state rules or congressional districts.
Am I way off base here?
" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho
I just love this thread....I imagine if we still had a media
that told the truth...we would see this on the front pages....of every newspaper....
so true
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What do you
have to say now Laurie.
Don't forget this either
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gigione
does anyone have updated numbers....
green papers is not that accurate on the last several states...
Possible free for all by convention time.?
Maybe everyone will be awake by then....
gigione
DO NOT "WRITE-IN" RP!!!
I don't know how many times I have to post this, but here we go again. "Writing-in" Ron Paul is the same thing as staying at home on election day. Unless the "write-in" candidate is a "registered candidate in that state, the votes DO NOT GET COUNTED - PERIOD! In order for the 'write-in' candidate to be registered with the state's Secretary of State, you have to follow that state's ballot access law. So that you have an idea, it costs the Libertarian party several million dollars, and about 2 1/2 years to get 50 state ballot access. we would have to do the same thing for Dr. Paul - regardless of whether you do it under his name, or under "Write-in".... I know it is unjust, but that's the law that the R's and D's have put in front of us.
Again, any name that is written in will simply be thrown out, unless "Write-In" has been registered with the Secretary of state for the state in question. I have to agree with the earlier poster. Should we fail in our mission to get Dr. Paul on the ballot, vote for the Libertarian (I doubt that there will be a Constitution Party candidate as they have stopped ballot access efforts). At least this way you can protest against the two dummy choices. If you vote for the "lesser of two evils", or if you write in anyone, no one will see your vote for liberty. So again, if you cannot vote for Dr. Paul, vote for someone that you can vote for who will represent LIBERTY.
Joe4liberty
Just become a delegate
Don't worry about who wins the remaining primaries. Don't worry about delegate counts reported by the MSM. Don't worry about "bound" and "unbound".
Even bound delegates are NOT bound by LAW. It is only the "rules" of each state GOP that makes a delegate "bound". As the saying goes, rules were meant to be broken...
Read this VERY interesting thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=121298
GiveMeLiberty is smart/cool
But the guy who originally wrote this would spell delegate "deligate".
And he was clearly lying.
It's sad that our movement of intelligent people has been reduced to listening to people who hate-Paul and spread lies, then those lies go out to 1000s of people on Meetup.
It has nothing to do with discouraging people from being a delegate, it has everything to do with trying to campaign bound delegates that can't vote for Dr. Paul on the first vote.
Good luck.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
... to all the people saying "I'd vote for Huck to make sure McCain doesn't win". Although Huck may - MAY - be the lesser of two evils, voting for him is still voting for evil.
If for some crazy reason you are unable to vote for Paul, vote Libertarian Party (or maybe Constitutionalist Party). I'm a Libertarian as are most people who support Ron Paul.
If for some crazy reason we're forced to decide between two evils - choose freedom. If McCain wins - or Huck for that matter... looks like they'll just lose to Obama. I truly believe that Paul is the only GOP candidate that could win vs. either Democrat.
So, vote for freedom. If enough people leave the GOP in droves, then either two things will happen:
- the GOP will be forced to change from a big government neo-con, spend and kill philosophy to a more Peace, Prosperity and Personal Freedom philosophy (between you and me - I don't see this happening).
- the Libertarian Party may become a more viable party. It's already the largest '3rd' party out there and Ron Paul's freedom message will only increase awareness.
Summary - vote for the philosophy, NOT (necessarily) the candidate. In the case of Ron Paul, we have a great man who also has a meaningful and unchanging philosphical foundation to his candidacy. Vote FREDOM!!
Strategy...
You do realize the goal is a brokered convention, not electing Huckabee?
If it's not a brokered convention, Paul loses.
If so, I encourage the 100s of thousands of us to each get involved in your local GOP, get elected to your State Central Committees and get as many Ron Paul Republicans elected to the RNC at your State Conventions.
If you want to take back the country, we have to be intelligent, we have to have strategy, we can't just say "visualize the Secret of Dr. Paul in the Oval Office.." blah blah blah.
WWKRD?
Sorry, you are wrong...
I spent Five years in the Libertarian Party (LP), I'm now a little "L" libertarian in the Republican Party, specifically the "Republican Liberty Caucus (RLC) of Texas"... the "Ron Paul" Republicans. The only way to make any change is have Ron Paul win OR if Ron Paul loses, wait for the collapse of the Republican Party. Basically the neo-Cons and liberal Republicans will join the Democratic party after the major Republican losses this year, 2008. Specifically, most of the Republicans don't understand what it means to lose big, the GOP has had success for almost the last 30 years... now it's coming to an end. Then join us, the grass-roots pro-Liberty, phoenix rise from the ashes, in the year 2016, in the Republican Party... basically revitalizing the Barry Goldwater movement again (These movements are a lifetime in the making). You CAN NOT affect change from the outside in, talking to yourselves at your small LP meetings. You have to do the hard work of making change from the inside out... Please think about this.
Sincerely,
John Reed
Buda, TX
Ron Paul Hays County Coordinator
(512) 573-3163
Awesome John
You are absolutely right. I love the GOP's original party platform. I love Goldwater and Reagan (before he was President).
We don't even have a Libertarian Senator, we wouldn't have a Libertarian President for 50+ years.
We have lots of great Republicans running, let's get as many of them elected to Congress and take back the party on a local level.
(Also we should listen to those people who post under their real name, are County Organizers and are just on the Internet spouting random ideas)
This is more of a side topic
This is more of a side topic but it is something I have thought about. I will not vote for McCain, Hillary or Obama.
I may vote Libertarian, but won't if they put someone up that is not pro-life. If that is the case, I will probably vote for whoever the Constitution party nominates.
My hope is that I will be able to vote for Ron Paul as a republican. I will not stop fighting for this as long as there is a chance.
Abortion is your litmus test?
What if Ron Paul changed his position from personally opposing abortion but wanting to let the states handle the issue to personally favoring access to abortions but wanting to let the states handle the issue? There's no practical difference. Either way, it remove the federal protection for abortion. Any LP candidate that is personally pro-choice will follow the exact same policy as Ron Paul.
This kind of silly litmus voting fractures the small-government voting bloc across parties and candidates. I'm sure Dr. Paul lost many potential supporters because he failed a litmus test, even if they agree with him on the overriding issues of the day like war and federal power.
Hey!
Even if the good Doctor doesn't make the republican nomination, you can write him in.
No signature.
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Nice post
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"Associated Press' projected
"Associated Press' projected delegate count, which includes both pledged and super delegates, has Republican front-runner, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) with 843 delegates"
Lets use this number, always best to assume the worst. So McCain still needs 348. That would still be 62% of the remaining. This is far from over by any stretch of the imagination.
BTW... I like that McCain is touting himself as the candidate. His supporters will be less likely to actually get out and vote, especially if there is bad weather and whatnot. Hopefully Huck stays in at least until Texas.
If you can't convince someone to vote for Paul. Convince them to vote against McCain. Everyone knows he is not conservative.
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Please Don't Complain Following the System
I don't know if some of you naysayers are just a bunch of freakin' trolls or if you are just truly misinformed. But trying to win delegate slots is not divisive or sneaky or underhanded or in any way against the rules. It is a grassroots effort to try and gain influence within the party, within the rules of the party. What don't you understand? Any registered voter in my state is eligible to become a delegate. Delegates are bound to vote for the winner of the primary, but can change their vote after the 2nd ballot. These are the rules. If you don't like the rules, call the GOP and complain. Don't complain to us for trying to work within the system!
Sticky
Someone make this a sticky for all the idiots who think getting delegates is "sneaky". WE ARE WORKING WITHIN THE RULES IDIOTS! IF YOU DONT LIKE THE SYSTEM THEN CALL THE GOP YOU FUCKING CRY BABY COWARDS. GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET REAL MEN DO THE WORK.
why we should not give up
For those of you who have been nocking this post - why? If the chance of
Ron Paul winning is 5% right now and the chance of McCain getting the nod 75%. There is still a chance. Maybe are odds are better or worse. So what. I still want my country back and am not going to give up when there is still a chance!