***BANKS ASKING FOR GOVERNMENT BAILOUT!!!***
Submitted by The_Producer on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 14:27NEW YORK (Reuters) - The banking industry is proposing to members of the U.S. Congress and the White House that some of the risk of troubled mortgages should be shifted to the federal government, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday.
One proposal has been advanced by officials at Credit Suisse Group (VTX:CSGN.VX - News) and would let the U.S. Federal Housing Administration guarantee mortgage refinancings by some delinquent borrowers, said the report.
The Credit Suisse plan would open the way for nearly 600,000 sub prime borrowers, many of whom are delinquent on their mortgages, to refinance into loans backed by the FHA, said the Journal, which cited a Credit Suisse spokeswoman.
The Journal said officials from JPMorgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM - News) are also pulling together their own proposal to expand the number of homeowners who could refinance into FHA-backed loans.
Spokespeople for Credit Suisse and JPMorgan were not immediately available.
(Reporting by Yinka Adegoke; Editing by David Cowell)

















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Germany's doing it
The UK already did---Why should our poor US Bankers suffer and have to pay the price for their ignorance and incompetence??? It's not fair!!!
Banks need to fail if they
Banks need to fail if they screw up and the people who run them (some of them anyway) should be arrested.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Unfortunately...
... the value of houses needs to come back down to a realistic level. Which means people who got mortgages need to "fail" also. Their houses were never worth that much and they made a bad financial decision.
No joke...
The sellers were asking $130K for my house. I bought it for $89K and made sure the loan was at a fixed rate.
People need to be smarter about what they buy and how they buy it. If banks lend money to high risk borrowers, it is the bank's fault. I don't understand how banks can pass their losses onto the taxpayer!
I know how it's done through the legal system, but I don't know how it's done ethically.
seeing as the gov reaches in our pockets when bail outs are need
why cant we take a vote to bail any one out ? they bit off more then they can chew!!!! what is wrong with everyone?
Bank bail outs
Are an assault on the American tax payer.
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AWWWW HECK
We gotta bail them out too? We just bailed out the airlines and who knows who else. Gee, I wish someone would "bail me out" LOL
Re-post on economy
Hi Guys & Girls. i'm reposting this article from Atlantic Free Press (link)
It's quite interesting because if you need a shed load of paper notes to buy an item then that uses up all the paper money in effect. Do they print more of the stuff or only take credit cards or do you exchange a one dollar bill for a 100 dollar bill?
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip -U.K
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
NO NO NO!
I've attached the following editorial for you.
I've written before about how many Americans feel entitled to a comfortable ride through life and then rush to dole out the blame when things get bumpy.
Now this entitlement culture is on display again with the mortgage crisis. Some elected officials, particularly those on the presidential campaign trail, are promising to bail out lenders and borrowers, freeze interest rates and stop home foreclosures.
Consider the recent installment of CBS' “60 Minutes,” which offered a critical look at the wave of foreclosures sweeping across much of the country. What bothered me were profiles of young couples who, once they could no longer afford the mortgage payments and discovered they couldn't refinance because they owed more than the house was worth, simply abandoned their homes, skipping out on their agreement with the loan company.
Never mind that they signed a contract. Never mind that no one ever promised them that their home would continue to go up in value or they'd be off the hook if that was no longer true. Never mind that someone – namely, their parents – should have taught them that when you borrow money, you pay it back.
Not that we don't have an interest in keeping people in their homes. We do. If many Americans are “house poor” because they're struggling to keep up with payments that have grown by as much as 50 percent in recent years and they're locked into subprime loans, then that means they'll have less money to spend on groceries, clothing or auto repairs. That means less money going into the pockets of merchants and others. And if people lose their homes, they'll wreck their credit, and that's bad for them but also bad for the rest of us. It'll make it harder for them to buy, for instance, a car on credit in a few years, which isn't good news for people who sell cars or those who sell things to people who sell cars.
It's one of those societal problems with no easy and pain-free solutions being pushed along by an angry public that wants easy and pain-free solutions.
The Democratic presidential candidates are eager to please. One offers a bandage: Hillary Clinton wants to impose a moratorium on foreclosures for 90 days and freeze mortgage interest rates for five years. The other offers a bailout: Barack Obama proposes a $10 billion home foreclosure prevention fund “to bridge lender and borrower” so that people can stay in their homes.
When asked about the issue during last week's CNN Republican presidential debate near Simi Valley, John McCain took a somewhat saner approach. He said lenders must “return to the principle that you don't lend money (to people) who can't pay it back.” McCain said there are “some greedy people on Wall Street who perhaps need to be punished” and urged that there be more transparency. He also said that, ideally, a mortgage “should be one page . . . (with) big letters at the bottom that says, 'I understand this document.' ” Lastly, McCain implied that any bailout should be limited to “people who were eligible for better terms but were somehow convinced to accept the mortgages which were more onerous on them.”
McCain is on the right track – especially about this part: The only people who deserve assistance are those who should have qualified for a better deal than they got. And, even then, the most government should do is freeze or readjust mortgage rates. It shouldn't pay out a dime. Those who had bad credit and had to turn to the subprime market to purchase a home should never have been buying in the first place. And if you bail them out, what are the chances that they'll wind up in a similar scrape down the road?
Thanks to unscrupulous lending practices where a lot of people made a lot of money by preying on others, and where many of those predators most certainly belong in jail, we now have a situation where many homeowners can't afford to stay in their homes. But make no mistake. We can't afford a wholesale bailout – not just because of the cost to government, but because of the cost to our society and the principles that hold it together.
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Navarrette can be reached via e-mail at ruben.navarrette@uniontrib.com.
This is the kind of thinking of socialists. To those of us who have lived within our means, paid back our loans. and sacrificed the nice things in life..and not kept up with the Joneses, this is a true slap in the face. Meanwhile because of the loose Fed policies prices of everything kept rising keeping us further from financial freedom. (That's their real goal) Remember, one of George Bush's early goals was to increase home ownership in America. This is in a lot of ways his fault. He asked for this.
If you continue to reward bad behavior you get more of it. Converting subprime mortgages to FHA backed ones does nothing but guarantee taxpayers will be on the hook for people who can't manage their finances. All it does is shift the risk from the idiot bankers to the taxpayer. Hell No. Better write your congressmen and senators today. I will.
Tool funny
A McCain endorsement on an economic post? Are we forgetting the part where he's going to spend us into OBLIVION in about a year with a foreign policy budget that is over 1 trillion dollars? Oh.. and he's going to have to ask his advisors, which will be busy figuring out health care and subsities for MEXICANS, how to fix our budget?
Christ wept.. that's got to be the most insane post I've read on here in months.. and I've got to deal with Slappy every day.
Edited.. sorry, I didn't even get to your part of the post before I went into brainshock...lol. I'm getting off the computer for a bit and do a hike...
Yes, it is a scary thing!
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I think Slappy slipped out
and took Noelle with him, lets keep our fingers crossed.
Say it ain't so!
I'm supposed to taunt him a little bit and get him fired up for Friday.. I've people coming over expecting some entertainment.. ;(
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Well put the poker or pool party on hold
untill the new Slappy, Noelle, Saul, Devon [sorry, he dropped out just in time before you needed to change your name] comes forth.
Actually
Devon was here when I first got here.. so my first 123,456 posts I had to preface with ~I'm not THAT Devon, but I used my real name as my screen name and don't want to change it because of him~
Now I don't have to copy/paste that.. a good start!
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Yeah, and whatever happened
Yeah, and whatever happened to Saul4Paul? This place just isn't the same without him. I might just have to change my handle!
I Think he went bye bye
when the Huckster said he needed a miracle. Do not, I repeat, do not through the law of attraction call him back on to this site under another name or you get what you deserve.
Answer
Freedom IS highly contagious
Since there was no money (frn's) until the borrower created it "the note", I see no problem here, the simple "Answer" IS return the coinage of "money" to congress, print one "Dollar Bill" in the amount totaling the national debt and run the not so federal FRB out of town.
Freedom IS highly contagious
And for those wondering what to do with their property...
here's this real estate guy's opinion
http://www.safehaven.com/article-9465.htm
Must watch here for answers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
TheKingIsComing
A must watch for everyone, I agree... ;)
Connect them dots!
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I HAVE THE SOLUTION FOR THE SUBPRIME MESS. . .
Congress needs to repeal the anti-modification provision of 11. U.S.C. §1322(b)(2). In English, this would mean allowing people who file Chapter 13 bankruptcy to "cram-down" (modify) their mortgages to pay the creditor under different terms than those contained in the original contract. One would be able to modify the interest rate to the Till rate (based on a U.S. Supreme Court case Till v. SCS Credit Corp.) which is the Wall Street Journal prime rate plus 150 basis points (currently 7.5%). If one is upside down in their mortgage, one would be able to strip the lien to extent the claim exceeds the value of the property. Currently, §1322 prevents this. This one change would allow an orderly procedure for anyone who truly needs the relief to file Chapter 13 bankruptcy and get the relief.
John A. Flynn
But I don't want to keep people in these
homes, which they cannot afford and no way do I want to artificially maintain bubble prices. Clear it out, all the way. We need the prices to return to small multiples of yearly income. All these plans, including yours, continue to foster mal investment.
More importantly than relief...
It also makes the holders of defaulted loans take the loss, not the taxpayers. This will result in the necessary push-back that keeps banks from being able to write a loan and flip it right off their books, which means that they'll have to get a lot more realistic about the risk of default.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
You mean..
that as a business they would have to take reponsibility for their actions?
TROLL!!!!!!
Joke.. ;P~
It would be wonderful, I agree!
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Hyperinflated dollars
That's true hyperinflated dollars will pay off a house real quick, the problem is that you have to have them first. Most of them are in the hands of foreign Central banks. China, Japan, Brazil, ect.... So the houses will probably be bought, but not by Americans, the neighborhood will soon be speaking Chinese, Japanese, Brazilian, ect.... Probably making great deals now with the houses falling in value. And the best part of all this is they can bring money back into the country and don't have to pay taxes on the money nor business taxes for X number of years if they invest in a business. Saudi Arabian citizens and others have been taking advantage of this loophole for years. Buy a business and don't pay taxes on it for 10 years, then sell it to your cousin for another ten, then to an Aunt ect..............
America for sale, bring your parents and we'll put them on welfare to boot, not!
Is it possible to have a new economic phenomenon?
a depression and hyperinflation at the same time or is that a misnomer, clearly we have never had all of the contributors of both hitting at once??
Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe is currently living under hyperinflation as well. Check out the photo:
http://zimreview.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/harares-million-do...
Well, based on that picture
I better get a much larger handbag, because how much room is it going to take to hold fiats for a lunch, if that is what it takes for a single beer?
Yep
It's what the Wiemar Republic had. Basically, the currency had near-zero value, and kept dropping like a rock. So nobody could produce anything, so the economy went into a depression.