Don't buy gold, think! Gold is held by whom? Mostly banks, so if we buy gold now, we are basically
First let me ask this question? Gold is held by whom? Mostly banks (IMF, Bank of London), so if we buy gold now, we are basically helping bankers and those who already own gold, Chinese, Indians, Europeans, Latins, are we not? When a mining company hedges their production of gold, they go to bankers, do they not? So when the price goes up, the bankers still get it at the lower price. Besides where is most gold produced today, Canada, South Africa, China, Brazil...?
Replace your dollar with beans and grains!
Why buy gold now, buy beans and other food items and this way you cut out the middle man. With the growing population the price of food is likely to go up faster than gold. If we wanted to get quick attention as a movement, it would be a hell of a lot easier to corner the market on beans than it is to corner the market on gold or silver. The prices will go up and you don't pay as much taxes on them, you can trade them with the less fortunate, get services provided for the price of a meal. And besides it's better to support farmers (put an end to the subs) than it is to support mining companies. Suggestion for farmers, don't make any contracts this year, let them guess how much is out there and hold half of it back. Also they don't get their cut from your labor. And at the Washington march, buy up all the beans in local markets, then dump them on the lawn when marching. It will be remembered just like the Boston Tea Party, the Great Washington Bean Party!
Yes, it isn't practical to use beans as a mean of backing the dollar and gold is probably best or as Ron Paul says, perhaps a pool of items to back the dollar, but if beans are something that we can obtain and use in the mean time. Why not? I am open to other ideas as well, but buying gold right now, although it probably is the best source for money, isn't going to help this Revolution one bit, on the contrary, it will help to support bankers! When Ron Paul wins and does what he promises, gold will return as our money. The dollar will be replaced by gold backed Revolution/Constitution dollars, minted directly from Fort Knox. But for now buy beans they're made in America!
grant
This is one of the many
This is one of the many reasons why freedom will not be a reality in the US. The ignorance is just amazing.
The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine Godfather of the American Revolution)
How does this rediculous thread keep popping up?
It just makes RP'ers look nuts. Gold is good. If you buy it and keep it, it's yours , not the bank's.
"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."
I tend to believe moderation in all
things. Some gold, silver, beans, coffee, seeds, canning jars and lids. Get out of debt. Make friends with people who think like you they are worth their weight in gold. Make some nice memories with family and friends these help get you through the tough times. Your valuables can be taken from you and you may only be left with memories, cherish them. Peace
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money based on Beans?
No, but maybe Wheat. I'd like to work on the logistics of a wheat-backed currency.
Instead of a bill saying "one dollar" it would say "One bushel of wheat".
People could come to my wheat-shop, and buy wheat (I would have the facilities to grind it on-site) or buy wheat bills, payable on demand (during business hours).
Whole-ground Wheat flour is extremely nutritious, so the product would have many customers.
But the great part is that the grain notes would be an effective currency, although there would be a geographic problem, if you lived far away from the wheat-shop.
COFFEE huh...now your talking Costa Rica.
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American Indians traded fur, tobacco and food. They did quite well before the pilgrims showed up with money.
Hormel Spam
It looks like you are not the only one that has thought of this. Spam sales are up! According to their website unopened Spam has an indefinite shelf life. Here is the article about the sales being up.
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Bravo!
Actually I travelling today, so I'll be away for a couple weeks, so you can relax. I mean if you really think gold is worth something then buy it. I have no arguement with you. I am just trying to make people think. How much food stuff do you have in storage? If the price of food skyrockets, and your salary doesn't, you'll be out of gold really quick unless you have your own mine. By the way, I do.
grant
No concept at all!
I don't have all the answers, that is why we have a forum, to teach isn't it, or am I just to sit around and follow the crowd.
Now I know little about the history of gold, even worked for South African owned Anglo-American gold division of Anglo-gold for a time. Happen to have a Ron Paul gold coin in my pocket right now. My question is; if gold is going up as it has over the past couple years, and people believe it is going to continue to go up. Why is this company currently in negociations to sell gold mining operations to investors? Where are they going to put their money when they close the sale, in dollars? I doubt it. Chinese yen; unlikely but possible. Agricultural investments? Perhaps. We are all convinced that gold is going to become the standard, but it is a big if!
Let's imagine that gold goes up to $9000 dollars an ounce, what is to say that beans and other food items will follow this same projectory. A bag of beans costing $1.00 a bag today could sell for $20.00 a bag. Gold has gone up 10 times and beans have gone up 20 times. Of course, other less necessary items on the market could drop in price and this would offset the inflation index. So my point is that in hyperinflation gold does go up, but not as fast as basic items of survival. Look at other countries that have experienced hyperinflation, you will see my point. We have to remember that if the dollar collapses, this means the collapse of the American empire, leaving the door open for another power to come to the front. Perhaps the government will be able to support the Empire for a while with gold held in storage at Fort Knox. The Chinese or other country will soon have control of this, and we will be on the Yen standard, not gold! Gold has no real value for the Chinese, but beans do!
grant
iehuvihs has no concept of money, wealth, or currency.
I can not believe that this thread is still going on. This person is all over the place. Why are you people wasting your time with somebody who proves with every comment that they do not understand the nature of how real money was used in earlier societies and how it has evolved in our modern society. Why do you let this person take you in all these different directions with no cohesive sense of reality in these stupefying rants. All that I can say is Unf**king believable.
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I'm with you
it's totally driven by shameless self-bumping and a steady supply of those who are willing to engage without reading the already-posted comments and pleas to let this inane thread die. Now there's a new one, and who wants to bet that our friend and OP iehuvihs will own 75% of the posts and somehow keep it bumped to troll and distract? It's just about as sad as it is annoying at this point.
How should we store all of our beans.
When ones closes out their IRA or retirement account and wants to invest in beans, how should one store $50,000 , $100,000 or more of beans?
Maybe bean bag couches and bean bag mattresses?
There is a missile silo for Sale
East of Denver, at Rocky Mountain Arsenal it is 1.8 million dollars.
I think it is like 30 stories deep and is an entire infrastructure.
We could buy that bad boy and put everything we want in there.
I like the couch idea though. and the mattress idea. Those are classic.
Why don't we just buy coffee, it makes about as much sense
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They're dry goods, duh, store them in Rubbermaid!
Actually, I see nothing wrong with exchanging my FRN fiat debt currency for real credit money in gold and silver. Let the banks have their collapsing Monopoly money. I'll take the metal money. They'll go under. I'll go laughing.
Seriously, get out of the cities, get in the country, get off the grid, get sustainable agriculturally, and self-educate you and your kids.
gold going up
They keep telling you the price of gold is going up and we believe it. But I'm buying beans and other basic needs first, these are more important, Let the rich invest their money in gold, let the poor protect themselves and be prepared. The only way to get our gold back to use for honest trade is to let them know we are serious.
gees what a dumbass.... if
gees what a dumbass.... if you look closley you will also see gold is going up in ALL currencies.. not just the dollar and that many foreign nations are buying it to.. China, Russia, the arabs.. what do they know that you don't??
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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You keep buying gold!
When the dollar collapses, I am tripling the price of my beans in gold! Actually I can't that would be illegal, so the price just went up on the black market. 1 ounce of gold for a pound of beans, however I'll trade a days labor for a meal.
grant
Umm...
... when the dollar collapses I'll buy some beans with my gold and silver.
=)
At the top!
If you want to hurt bankers (pawns of the elitists) don't borrow money from them, if you want to piss them off, don't buy gold.
actually buying gold is what
actually buying gold is what they don't want.. are you in cahoots with the bankers??
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As long as there is
As long as there is inflation, it is wise to own gold.
Do I put my tax return on my
Do I put my tax return on my debt, or do I buy gold?
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
The Bean Economy
It was there and then, poof, it was gone in a cloud of gas. Maybe we would have to convert to a natural gas economy. Now there is a commodity that is has value as energy to heat your house and generate electricity. Keep eating!
Bankers are not the problem
Bankers play a useful role in society.
The problem is that government is disproportionately beholden to the bankers, and that government crafts laws that discourage small local banks and prop up behemoths. The natural market pressure would be to have an even mix of local banks and multinational banks (for those who need them), however, that has become perverted by our innavigable system of laws and red tape, not to mention institutions of questionable constitutionality, such as the Federal Reserve.
Be careful. Beans have a depreciation rate much higher than gold, and the temptation to consume your wealth is quite high.
You can get cheap gold by
You can get cheap gold by buying it off of people that go to pawn shops. I sometimes will walk around the pawn shop a bit and wait for someone who wants to sell their gold. I tell them I will pay 10 more than what the pawn shop is offering. It works. Another thing I do is I go around to thrift stores on the 50% days and buy brass ornaments, I now have quite a stock pile.
You can purchase gold and have possession of it!
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The ONLY thing that matters
The ONLY thing that matters about gold is to get it at a good price. . It doesn't matter who owned it before you as long as you Buy Low and sell High. Of course agricultural commodities may be a great play. Many have suggested backing the currency with a portfolio of commodity futures contracts. If such a system was run openly and transparently it would be a great idea. In the real world their are too many middlemen in such a plan and too many opportunities for fraud. When you hold gold and/or silver you are holding the real deal,
179 fed notes for 500 lbs of rice
now i think the next purchase will olny be canned beans(refried)and fruit that are 6 lbs 9-12 oz each very cheap.we need to look to the bible in my opinion the famine WILL be 3.5 years! 42 months by 30 days per month
1260 days 1 pound per person a day this is a logical numbers in my opinion 1 pound is nothing per day but it will keep u ALIVE and to the people that think GOD will be here on their convenince may be mistaken?
I will have a way to heat water (woodburning stove)and a generator for the well! we must stick together! but if you cant help yourselves how are u going to help anyone else?
I want to believe you, but let me think.
If they don't have any gold in stock and gold is of real value, then these bankers must really be stupid! You mean they don't know this!?! With all their education, oh my goodness, so if they are printing up dollars what are they buying? Not gold as you just stated, what idiots! Maybe we should email them and tell them our secret!
Perhaps they don't have gold registered under the name of the central banking system, but I have no doubt at all that in private storage accounts, held by men of their society, for whom they really work for control the gold. Or do you think just anyone makes it to the top of the banking system. The system may change, but the same people will still be at the top, is there any doubt about this?