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Anyone else figured this out? DP and RP

DP seems to be roughly made up of two perceptions:
1)That our focus should be on 'the real issue': restoring the conservative GOP base,and related issues---and that all CFR,NWO,Bildeburg,911 and other focuses are 'peripheral or distractions.'

2)That our focus should be on 'the real issue': understanding that the CFR,NWO,Bildeburg,911,etc. are the central issue,and that the GOP being saved is 'peripheral and a distraction.'

Therein lies the problem,people. Both views believe that getting to the core of the issue and staying focused on it,addresses the problem best.

Ron Paul,on the other hand,seems to embrace both of these perceptions. He certainly acknowledges the NWO,CFR,etc. ideology as the main issue(loss of sovereignty); yet he believes in staying focused on restoring the GOP base and party as a means to address the main issue.(He sees the above as partially responsible for the loss of the GOP). Likewise, he advocates a multifaceted approach to restoring freedom and the constitution-not only via his presidential campaign,but through many other means,both local and national.
In this regard,he believes in a free market and grassroots campaign,which is not unified in it's views,except in it's belief in freedom. And this is how we grow.

See? Everyone's right!




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I agree my friend!

Previously known as DCALIFANO

Previously known as DCALIFANO

issue # 2 (or#1)

Good points but I would say one of the biggest causes of 'enslavement or lack of choice/freedom has to be Tax. Tax is the leverage and the chain if you will. Not only does it demean your chances and choice it gives your wealth to others who spend it on things you wouldn't. Do away with tax as we know it and there's half your problem solved.
People are naturally protective and hoard like animals do-right?
So talk to people about keeping their wealth and the ability to 'hoard' it and to have free choices when 'spending it' or saving it. Nuts don't tax the chipmonk.

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Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip -U.K

'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.

May I ask this?

There seems to be a One Party mindset here. The GOP. There is another party that has been taken for granted. The democratic party. Why is it that all the effort of change is put on changing the Republican Party? When both parties need to be changed. Back when. The democratic party was very coservative. Mainly in the southern states. There are congressional districts that will never go Republican. These house seats always have democrats in them. Why not run people in these districts on the Democratic tickets with the same mind as Ron Paul. There are still people out there conservative in nature that believe that the republican party is for big buisness and the elite (Which in many ways they are.). They will only vote democratic. So why not run conservatives on the democratic ballot? Ron Paul needs help in congress to get his ideas passed. This could if some democrats have the same mind set. Be a bi-partisan movement. Just as the liberals use the bipartisanship of liberal dems and liberal repubs (Like McCain) to get laws passed. I think it would be benificial to the cause to infiltrate both parties.....Your thoughts?????
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Democrats - Republicans are the Same

I agree with you. But, I now realize that there is basically no difference between the parties as they exist today. The only difference is that one party is screwing us 99.99% of the time and the other party is screwing us 99.999% of the time (and I can't even remember which one is which). I realize that it is necessary to be on one of the two tickets today for most races because candidates have to get some of the Sheeple vote. Although, once people get out of the Matrix they are in hopefully that will change.

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I totally agree!

My parents, some family members, friends, etc. have never voted for a candidate who wasn't a Democrat but are voting for Ron Paul. I don't believe they are a minority. I believe this is a common phenomenon in this campaign and we should be capitalizing on it

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I agree

Constitutionalism is not party affiliated. Ron Paul might have fit in better in the Democrats. It would not have mattered a whit to me where he was running. So totally I think there can be Ron Paulians in the Democrat Party and should be.

I think the parties have totally outgrown their usefulness. I thought they were governmental parties, but they are private.

Interestingly though, I feel that the infiltration of the Republican Party by the neocons is a dishonest thing to take over both parties so it won't matter who wins. They pretend to be conservative, but they are not and we need to kick them out. But the GOP big wigs are part of them and have ushered it in. If we could just reach the masses without the media, then we should take the party back.

I don't think what you are proposing is a dishonest thing. It is just that Constitutionalism is where both parties should really be except that we are now a communistic country and both parties are communistic and have thrown out the Constitution.

Not exactly...um no.

I would NOT lump globalism and the UN (CFR's main vehicle) such as THIS trash, in with "911".

911 is a very narrow issue -- people trying to figure out how that event came to pass -- and they have a right to theoriz for themselves. It's just that it's not a campaign issue for RP.

But loss of national sovereignty IS a huge issue, no longer a 'theory', since as you can see from the link above, we have people openly teaching our kids in public schools that it's time to overthrow the government and hand it over to the elites who would not guarantee our rights.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
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Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

A link to a college professor's

website is supposed to show us what? Is this supposed to be an example of how education has been taken over by NWO?

h-daddy

What's In Your Shopping Bag?

Not a perfect analogy, but I just thought of it this way...

I go to the store for cookies.
You go to the store for milk.
He goes to the store for beef.
She goes to the store for veggies and tofu.
Someone else goes to the store, and pesters the store manager to order that oddball item that nobody else wants, but due to persistence, gets stocked.

What do we all have in common?

We all wanna go to the store. And we would all miss the store if it were closed.

Happy shopping, fellow DPers!

nice

nice

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Personally

I think the true Ron Paul movement is big enough to embrace a lot of freedom of thought about many things within the context of what our candidate would support with the restoration of our constitution. If you think of it whether it is about personal freedom ie, Real ID, wars, economic issues, IRS, CFR, 9/ll, codex etc.,etc. if we were to return to a true Republic, so much of this would fall to the wayside, they would be non-issues. Having said that, and using discernment, we now have an element that is making a effort to cause disruption, distraction, doubt, discord and to add another d to it deletion of posts for the sole person they are being called out. I think before we start making certain guidelines between true supporters of Ron Pauls and making divisions, we should pause and consider if we are playing into the hands of those whose purpose is nothing more than to divide us.

I'll give you a third perception...

3. Screw the GOP. All political parties come and go. It may be their time, like the Federalists and Whigs before them . It's the country that matters, and the major parties are a major cancer on it. It's possible that the minor parties are as well, but nobody knows since they never get into power to do anything beyond the local level. George Washington was right, and straying from his sage advice is the primary reason the country is so screwed up. But people are generally too fat, dumb, and happy to give a damn about such crazy abstract things such as freedom, Justice, and Liberty. We're some of the few exceptions to that. We actually *need* a major catastrophe of long duration to shake people out of their stupor. We need to hit bottom HARD in order to properly rebound. 9/11 could have been that but the government blew it big time. Long-needed unity gave way to partisan bickering, personal agendas, red herrings, and a return to business as usual. We've lost our way and in general need a huge b*tch-slap to snap out of it.

The real immediate issues

for most people in my opinion would be the Federal Reserve causing inflation, big government requiring lots of taxe$, U.S. foreign policy, overseas empire and policing the world, loss of civil liberties (which is only going to get worse with the other candidates), keeping the Internet free and unregulated, U.S. border security.

The trick is TACT

Meaning: Coming out and saying NWO or CFR can register a negative and questioned response from the start. That is a basd idea.

Many of the good motivational speakers will begin things with JOKES. If you had a crafty lil joke to start off with or something not soooo serious the response would ultimately be better.

I like to break out a dollar bill and ask people about FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE and FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and ask them if they know what it is? Is it federal? Then go into how more money being printed means less value for each dollar. Stuff like that. I have awoken several of my family members. I still have others that are on the fence. Then I get the occasional question as time progresses from those that thought I was full of it from the start. This thing does take some time. Planting seeds are very good. they come back later

Remember that this is a marathon. We have a march coming up and this Revolution will continue far past the next election. That is if we do not WIN IT! I am not focused on those results as much as informing and letting them take it from there. Being blunt and straight forward is not a good idea.

Peace to all and I love yall! This is truly a historic time!

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The Key Is to Approach People Based on What They Care About

We don't have to dump every last fact, theory, problem, solution or idea on everyone we meet.

If our desire is to get support from or educate others about Ron Paul, we should focus on what the person we are talking to, is receptive to, and not try to reach total consensus.

Freedom brings us together.

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Always talking about the NWO / ect

will make you seem like a NUT and people won't listen.
Restoring the GOP and taking baby steps to wake people up and educate them is what is needed.

Well sure..

If you call it "NWO" without explaining its CONSEQUENCES or what exactly it is, in practical terms.

Funny thing is, everyone knows I'm a proponent of rebuilding the GOP, and I espouse both because they are the ones who need to be educated. The GOP or mainstreamers are now seeing that there is no longer a theory about loss of sovereignty to a larger entity of elitists, and that's basically the consequence that you need to teach people about.

It only took 58 years for them to suppress their efforts through the media and thought control, similar to what some here are trying to do, and a lot of it was done by demonization of groups who sought to shine the light, such as JBS, etc.

But it is NO LONGER A PIPE DREAM. They see that people are 'ready' for this, because they have been dumbed down and numbed to the idea that we could ever lose our constitutional republic and so now they are moving on it full force, and the educational intrusion is but ONE sure sign of proof. They have in effect done it by psychological means.

See the link I posted above? That person isn't at all worried that he'll be accuse of the overthrow of the government. Remember when a few years back they said constitutional militias should not be allowed to exist because they might try to 'overthrow the gov't'? (which was ridiculous)

They don't seem to mind it happening in this way..

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

okay, so we now know zamboni is...

...a "perception #1" kind of guy. Only problem is that "perception #2" causes....

....ALL other considerations to be MOOT!!

Simplicity

New World - What settlers called America

Order - A mechanism of Control

New World Order - A mechanism of control through using the New World

Any thoughts?

Huh - never thought of it that way before. But since we are the

Huh - never thought of it that way before. But since we are the last bastion of freedom standing in their way it kind of makes sense.
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Here, here!

Based on the negativity I've seen of late, I admit that I was expecting this post might be about someone trying to limit the field of discussion on this website. I'm pleased to see that the notions of freedom and liberty are afoot here.

would save us alot of arguments

seeing as i personally believe some of them waste time,however entertaining. sure,some are enlightening,but you know the saying-'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em drink' [or become a truther,or a GOP die hard,or????]

yes,i have to say

that is irony! and also,when Noelle mentioned that RP gets a fair shake from the MSM considering 'how low his poll numbers are'....
Um,yea,and part of the reason *why* his poll numbers are so low is precisely because he has been ignored by the MSM.
Considering that the MSM could have simply chosen to ignore him 100%,perhaps we should be grateful?
Anyway,since journalism was created as a tool for govmt propaganda,the question remains whether or not our gvmt can censor in this regard,not whether the media has a first amendment right,in my opinion. But I digress....

It also bears mentioning

It also bears mentioning that in many of the polls, Dr. Paul isn't even a choice.
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