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Ron Paul places third in Straw poll

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/reli...

https://www.frcaction.org/

Mitt Romney 1595 27.62%
Mike Huckabee 1565 27.15%
Ron Paul 865 14.98%
Fred Thompson 564 9.77%
Undecided 329 5.70%
Sam Brownback 297 5.14%
Duncan Hunter 140 2.42%
Tom Tancredo 133 2.30%
Rudy Giuliani 107 1.85%
John McCain 81 1.40%
Not Voting 67 1.16%
Barack Obama 9 0.16%
Joe Biden 5 0.09%
Hillary Clinton 5 0.09%
John Edwards 4 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 4 0.07%
Christopher Dodd 2 0.03%
Bill Richardson 2 0.03%
Mike Gravel 1 0.02%
Total 5,775 100%



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Warped Mind

This is a quote from a Salon article about the FRC event.

When it was all over, it was not clear if values voters had any more direction or unanimity than before they met, making the winner Giuliani almost by default. Carol Franz, of Owego, New York, was among those few in attendance who said she planned to vote for Giuliani in the straw poll. "It's not going to do me any good to be pro-life if I am blown up," she told Salon. Her message -- security can trump family values -- brings joy to the Giuliani campaign.

Here is the link if you want to read the full article

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/10/21/giuliani/print....

Fox News

The Fox Report needs to FIRE Carl Cameron. He's just the worst.

Tonight instead of posting the top 5, they completely left out the third place winner and put in the 5th place winner, making people think he came in fourth.

First – Mitt Romney – 1,595 votes

Second – Mike Huckabee – 1,565 votes

Third – Ron Paul – 865 votes

Fourth – Fred Thompson – 564 votes

(They had Tancredo listed as fourth)

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too bad not everyone was allowed to vote

I am perplexed about the value voters online poll.

I and my wife went to vote for Paul. We had seperate id's. Paid seperately, etc. I got to vote no problem.

But my wife's online vote was blocked.

Did this happen to anyone else?

If so the results for the online poll should be redone

same here

It happened here too.

I'd expect that's to insure

I'd expect that's to insure one person one vote...they probably only allowed one vote per computer.


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Christians and War

As a conservative Christian, i was surprised and a little saddened by the lack of support Dr. Paul received from the attendees of this straw poll. I don't know which hurt him more, his anti-Iraq War position, or his belief that the FedGov shouldn't violate freedom to enforce or encourage morality.

I doubt that American Christians are any more pro-war *in general* than the average American. However a war that has been presented to them as an ideological war against Islam is probably easier for Christians to support than a war against any other opponent.

I think Ron Paul can do very

I think Ron Paul can do very well with values voters. He's been married to the same woman his whole life and he's very pro-life. His idea on taking abortion away from the courts seemed to play well with the croud.

Values voters are 25% of Republican primary voters. We have to win them...and we can, and we will.


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For the comments below..

About religion:

“The more man clings to religion, the more he believes. The more he believes, the less he knows. The less he knows, the more stupid he is. The more stupid, the easier he can be governed! The easier to govern, the better he may be exploited. The more exploited, the poorer he gets. The poorer he gets, the richer and mightier the domineering classes get, the more riches and power they amass, the heavier their yoke upon the neck of the people.”
~ Johann Most

There's a lot of generalizations aswell. Which doesn't make them totally correct.

We the People

have to come to their senses before they step into the voting booth. We are casting our votes for an individual that will honor the oath taken prior to becoming President. This person must be a champion of The Constitution. If any other documents are allowed to establish agendas, we dig ourselves enormous canyons as history has revealed.

Ron Paul, while being a representative, has a twenty year record of supporting The Constitution of the United States. This is the law of the land, until ammended, and Dr. Paul has the knowledge of it, the experience of being guided by it and the wisdom not to stray from it. This approach can only benefit a pluralistic society.

Pride in a Leader

Ron Paul's words stood for our country and the laws that govern it. He spoke for America, not Christianity. He did not pander to the group as the weak and fearful will do. Who else showed the guts and inner strength to refer to God, in a Christian Congregation, as the "Creator” ...the leader of our rEVOLution. Ron Paul spoke as a President and a Leader - not to win a pastor popularity poll. Its been so long since I felt pride in a leader. He did a great job.

That's not bad at all!

Particularly when you consider that RP is in much better shape financially than the other 2.

Now, I have to say something about Christians loving wars! C'mon! There were angry evangelics who seemed inclined to support Bush's policies but I think this is past history. And people shouldn't forget that Jesus was a jew all his life and never once wanted to be anything else. He tried to reverse things but got nailed, litterary. If he were to show up today he'd likely be taken to some offsite prison and tortured to death, again! It's all about respect for the people and their freedom in their pursuit of happiness.

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

Check out the FRC link...in

Check out the FRC link...in the straw poll conducted among those actually in attendance; Congressman Paul finished DEAD LAST. Want to get angrier? Scroll down to the 'Presidential Horse Race' statistics...notice how it shows Dr. Paul with $500,000 INSTEAD of $5 million??? These figures were taken BEFORE the release of third-quarter financial disclosures, and have yet (conveniently) to be updated. Perhaps some e-mails to the frauds at FRC to remind them to UPDATE the figures, along with a reminder of what happens to people who lie to and deceive others?

easy there amigo

We don't want to come across like a vipers' nest. Win them over with a positive agenda and enthusiasm. Failing that, just move along. Each person and group has to decide their own course.

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Missed an Opportunity

With only $1,000 more, we could have won this straw poll. Now there are tons of major news stories about how Romney and Huckabee beat Ron in a values voters straw poll.

The publicity gained would have easily been worth 100x that thousand.

Oh well, too late now.

Unfortunately, Cameron

If Ron Paul had won it, the media would not have even mentioned it. I watched Faux News earlier today and they mentioned every other candidates finish in the poll except Ron's.....yes, even the one's placing well below him. The only poll that really matters is the poll of how many people are going to show up at the voting booth for Ron. I can't speak for anyone else, but you can bet your ass I'll be there with bells on.

Bob W., Naples, FL

Fox Bias

The other night when Glenn Beck had Huckabee on for the full show, they were mentioning the candidates, and they showed EVERYONE except for Ron. Tancredo, Brownback, all of them. No Ron. I guess they're playing by the same rules as John McCain...hoping if they ignore him he'll go away. Well, I got news for them. Ron Paul is going to be at the very top of fundraising by the end of December, so they'll have to come up with an explanation of why money doesn't matter then.

Most Christians Don't like Ron Paul

Don't forget, those vote totals count online votes as well. The in house voting had Mike Huckabee winning with about 50%. How many of Ron Paul's votes came from online? Probably a good deal, and from people who aren't really representative of Christians even if they are Christians themselves. Furthermore, just because they were clapping for Dr. Paul doesn't mean they like him, people clapped for Giuliani too. Let's face it, Mike Huckabee is everything that Christians want: pro-life, anti-gay, and pro-war. Ron Paul will NEVER win over most Christians if he is anti-war.

Most "Christians" don't like

Most "Christians" don't like Jesus...

NOPE

Hey I'm A Christian and Ron Paul is the only true Christian running. how huckabee can stand there being a "christian" and say we should stay in Iraq and let more Iraqis and American soldiers die because of honor is beyond me... even tho he admitted it was wrong to go in he said to stay to save face?.. huckabee has NO respect for human life.. and he's a Christian?? something is way wrong.. WAKE UP AMERICANS!
RON PAUL IN 08!

Nope back to you

You have done nothing to disprove my statement because I said MOST Christians, that leaves out Christians such as yourself. Just look at the on-site voting, Ron Paul came in LAST. His third place finish was due solely to the internet.

Not only does Ron Paul not support the war, but he doesn't want to outlaw porn or prostitution.

MOST CHRISTIANS WILL HATE RON PAUL FOR THIS.

I would disagree with that

The United States is a 95% Christian Country. Nearly 70% of the people that can vote are against the war. What you really have is a small hardcore Christian Conservative base that listen to Talk Radio and alot of what Dobson says and want a Pro War, Life candidate. The reality is that whoever that Pro War candidate is, they will get crushed by any Democrat. Dr. Dobson sees the war as a Christian Crusade, but hasn't really grasped the true cause of the war or any of its side affects.

Ron Paul is definately not disliked by Christians. If he became the nominee, they would vote for him in droves.

Christians love war period.

Those people get off on going to war. They pretend to serve the Prince of Peace but they really get excited with insidious glee everytime there is any talk of bombs, mass scale murders, destruction, genocide, and brutal slavery. These degenerate mongrels love it all and I wish the whole lot of these filthy animals a merry journey to Hell.

P.S. This has only been true since Constantine. Before Augustine invented out of pagan philosophy his "just war" theory, Christians everywhere opposed all bloodshed indiscriminately. They were nonresistors like their forebearers, Christ and His Apostles.

NOPE #2

I'M a CHRISTIAN AND I HATE WAR!!! THE ONLY TIME men should go to war in this country is when some army is massing on our boarders or coming in from the sea on OUR OWN LAND MASS THATS IT! just because you call yourself a Christian doesn't meen you are 1! example---- GEORGE BUSH!

You represent a fringe movement

You are obviously in the very, very tiny minority. The Reformers loved their vicious wars and 99% of Protestants have followed in their footsteps. Not to mention the Catholics, though at least they are theoretically limited by Augustine's pagan-derived "just war" theory.

Bull

"99% of Protestants have followed in their footsteps"

If you have to generalize with statements this stupid, please cite your references (for this stat...and others like it). Thanks

The burden of proof

I'm sorry Derek, the burdern of proof is on you to prove otherwise. John MacArthur, RC. Sproul, Jerry Falwell, and other mainstream evangelicals have loudly advocated war after war as most patriotic and consistent with their religion. Since I have studied the history of the reformers and am quite familiar with their blood-spattered history including the Thirty years war, War of the Roses, and 100 YEARS WAR. Protestants throughout Europe were wholly in support of WWII and any dissenters were outed as heretics. The same shill continues to this very day, and I would like you to demonstrate that even 2% of evangelicals are opposed to war.

Mennonites, Quakers, the Amish, Old Order Brethern, etc. are Christians in the real religious sense of term and thus are not Protestants so you cannot count them in your statistics.

you foolish Ron paul supporters hurting his cause

Um, did it ever occur to anyone here that maybe Ron Paul's not popular with Christians because his supporters are full of some of the least educated and loud mouthed Christian haters online? I'm a huge Ron Paul supporter for well over a decade now, and I'm completely shocked how many aggressively stupid atheists seem to be backing Dr. Paul lately. I remember when his base was all Christians for a looong time during his time in congress as Dr. No. Suddenly, now there are an abundance of half-educated trolls running around calling all Christians stupid. Word to the people here: Ron Paul is a very serious Chrisitan himself who almost became a minister (like his older brother) before going into politics, and has derived his governmental philosophy from a biblical view of the role of civil governance in the tradition of Reformation theology. This is why Ron Paul was a huge hero to protestant Christians for years (long before you guys suddenly showed up in the last few months). So, keep all your Christian hating to yourself. We need to win more of these people over for Ron Paul, so we can be calling him "President Paul" next year.

"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt"

The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt

Wrong, the Christian right are hurting America

I'm sorry to disappoint you Mr. Blackpost, but that 5.2 million dollars he raised didn't come from Reformed evangelicals. Ron Paul has stated numerous times he has been preaching the same message for years and until now has been largely ignored. The Reformed evangelicals voted for Bush and his neocon agenda and are no lovers of liberty. Get out of town with that crazed notion of "civil governance in the tradition of Reformation theology" crap. Need I mention Luther's championing of the brutal suppression of the exploited peasants in Germany?? How about Pope Calvin of Geneva's ironhanded theocratic state which barborously murdered disagreeable heretics like Michael Servetus . And you call us half-educated??

Ron Paul goes to church yes, but that is where his similarities to you boobs ends. He is pro-life in an authentic sense in that he believes we should not murder the Iraqi and Middle Eastern unborn anymore than we should the American preborn. He believes in nonviolence. He believes homosexuality is a medical problem and not a black and white good-vs.-evil issue. He believes in the deistic Constitution, rather than a biblical theocracy legislating morality.

Btw, I would like this loathsome crowd to support Ron Paul regardless. It will be Ron Paul in office, not these personally repulsive "Christian" people. "Politics makes strange bedfellows" so I have no public agenda against evangelicals who support Ron Paul because he wants to eliminate the welfare state, or for whatever their particular reason may be. Let's get as many of them as we can to vote for him, and then once he is in office, we can spurn their company as the principle of "freedom of association" allows us to do.

He Who....Let Him Cast the First Stone....


I do NOT agree that Ron Paul's "supporters are full of some of the least educated and loud mouthed Christian haters online." I have seen a plethora of highly intelligent, creative, sensitive, educated people in the ranks of the Liberty Movement, amazingly so!

"...half-educated trolls running around calling all Christians stupid, hardly! Sometimes, youthful exuberance and passion may mirror hatred, but it is not really that at all. Just a different mindset and a commitment to ideals.

However, I do agree that people are well advised to abstain from all negative comments publicly about others and to accentuate that which we all agree is important to the movement and to the election of President Paul.

GRANNY'S OPINION

Now don't forget this is only my opinion: To vote in this straw poll, if you were not in attendance, you had to make a donation to their group. I for one wanted to vote for RON PAUL, but felt my donation was far more valuable to his campaign than to this organization. I really believe that just as at the Iowa straw poll, Romney used his millions to buy this vote. A poll that can be bought is not worth it. Huckabee is much of what they think they are looking for. RON PAUL tells them the truth and they step back and hide from it. True liberty is what Christ stands for and as a Christian, I want that liberty not only for me and mine but also for you and your's.
That is why I am for the only candidate the truly agrees with me---RON PAUL. :):) You see that is the real bottom line---do you agree with what he says or is he saying what you already believe!!!?
The fact that RON PAUL talked to this group for twenty minutes on the issues and let them know exactly where he stands on those issues is a very big plus for this campaign. His words will go home with many and many will be changed. Truth always wins in the end!!!

Dr. Paul 2008