AZ/PA Ammo Coding Laws (aka Registration)
This was sent through the Veteran's for Paul meetup email, I thought I would share here.
Basically they are requiring manufacturers to uniquely label all boxes of ammo (each bullet & casing same as the box). Then the vendor will be required to keep records of all ammunition purchased with Date/Name/ID#/DOB.
Seems benign until an ATF agent comes to your door asking why you bought 10 boxes of 7.62x39 or 5 boxes of 45 acp. Or for those who like to look further in the future...If they know what ammo you're buying, they know what guns you have.
Anyone in the AZ meetup want to organize an effort to call on John McCain to speak his 2nd Amendment support by coming out against this bill? If he won't then it can be used against him, and if he does maybe it will help kill it?
THE BILL:
be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised
Statutes, is amended by adding section 41-1772, to read:
START_STATUTE41-1772. Ammunition coding system database; sale of
ammunition; tax; fund; civil penalty; violation; classification;
definition
A. Beginning january 1, 2009, a manufacturer shall code all handgun and ASSAULT weapon AMMUNITION that is manufactured or sold in this state. This section applies to all calibers.
b. Beginning january 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor
shall dispose of all noncoded AMMUNITION that is owned or held by
the citizen or vendor.
c. The department shall establish and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing a manufacturer registry and a vendor registry.
D. A manufacturer shall:
1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the
department by rule.
2. Maintain records on the business premises for at least seven
years concerning all sales, loans and transfers of ammunition to,
from or within this state.
3. Encode ammunition provided for retail sale for regulated
firearms in a manner that the director establishes so that:
(a) The base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing
of each round in a box of ammunition are coded with the same serial
number.
(b) Each serial number is engraved in such a manner that it is
highly likely to permit identification after ammunition discharge
and bullet impact.
(c) The outside of each box of ammunition is labeled with the name
of the manufacturer and the same serial number used on the cartridge casings and bases of bullets contained in the box.
4. Pay the tax levied by subsection I of this section.
E. A manufacturer shall not label ammunition contained in one
ammunition box with the same serial number as the ammunition
contained in another ammunition box that is produced by the same
manufacturer.
F. A vendor shall:
1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the
department by rule.
2. Record the following information in a format prescribed by the
department:
(a) The date of the transaction.
(b) The name of the purchaser.
(c) The purchaser's driver license number or other government
issued identification card number.
(d) The date of birth of the purchaser.
(e) the unique identifier of all handgun ammunition or bullets
transferred.
(f) All other information prescribed by the department.
3. Maintain records on the business premises for at least three
years after the date of the recorded purchase.
G. The department shall establish the ammunition coding system
database within the framework of any existing firearms databases.
H. Access to information in the ammunition coding system database
is reserved for law enforcement personnel. The department shall
only release information in connection with a criminal investigation.
I. A tax of one-half cent is levied on each bullet or round of
ammunition that is sold in this state. The department of revenue
shall collect the tax and deposit the tax, pursuant to sections 35-
146 and 35-147, in the coded ammunition fund established by
subsection J of this section.
J. The coded ammunition fund is established consisting of monies
deposited pursuant to subsection I of this section. The department
shall administer the fund. Subject to legislative appropriation,
monies in the fund shall be used for the purpose of establishing and
maintaining the ammunition coding system database prescribed by this section.
K. a manufacturer that fails to comply with this section is subject
to a civil penalty of not more than one THOUSAND dollars for the
first violation, not more than five thousand dollars for a second
violation and not more than ten thousand dollars for any subsequent violation.
L. a vendor who knowingly fails to comply with this section or who
knowingly falsifies the records REQUIRED to be kept by this section
is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
M. a person who knowingly destroys, obliterates or otherwise
renders unreadable the coding REQUIRED by this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
N. for the purposes of this section, "code or coded" means a unique
identifier that has been APPLIED by etching onto the base of a
bullet or ammunition projectile. END_STATUTE
Sec. 2. Requirements for enactment; two-thirds vote
Pursuant to article IX, section 22, Constitution of Arizona, this
act is effective only on the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds
of the members of each house of the legislature and is effective
immediately on the signature of the governor or, if the governor
vetoes this act, on the subsequent affirmative vote of at least
three-fourths of the members of each house of the legislature.
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HB2833...
Was from last year's 2nd session. I don' think it made it out of committee. It's hard to figure out that AZ Legislation website but that is as near as I could figure :)
"People demand freedom only when they have no power. "
--Henry Longfellow
"People demand freedom only when they have no power. "
--Henry Longfellow
pa acs
what is the houe resolution # ? hr xx? who intends on writing this or bringing it to the floor? need more info so i can help kill the bill
Hmmm...
According to this article: http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03-05/news/three-seattle-g...
It is three guys named Russ Ford, John Knickerbocker, and Steve Mace. The patent for marking the bullets is also in Steve Mace's name as is the website registration for ammocoding.com .
Funny, Steve Mace used his personal Comcast email address to register the website and registered through Godaddy. I suggest we test his email address ( steven.mace@comcast.net ) and see if we get mail automatically bounced back. If we do get automatic bounced back email, then I suggest we complain to Godaddy and ICANN ( icann.org )that he is using a fake email address in his web registration info. Godaddy has been known to terminate accounts summarily for having false information in the registration info. Otherwise, if the email address is good, I say we take a positive, proactive approach and ask him WTF he thinks he's accomplishing other than making a huge number of people with guns angry at him.
My email went through.
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
We had a similar bill this year in CA.
And we killed it. CA's even wanted to go further and require the gun manufactures imprint the gun serial # on the bullet and cartridge when fired.
We basically argued that it was completely unenforceable since people could simply pack their own bullets instead of buying them, the imprint points on the guns can be switched out for older ones without the stamps (thank you, Eli Whitney!) and people would just buy their ammo and guns out of state and not register either, and nobody would buy guns in-state if it passed, thereby killing the tax revenue.
Obviously in AZ's case the gun's points don't apply, but the rest does.
And in this case NOBODY is going to dispose of perfectly good, paid-for ammo on a specific date, unless that disposition is one shot at a time at the inspectors for come door-to-door to check (how else can they enforce it, pray tell, except at the shooting ranges and gun stores?). If this joke of a bill passes there'll be a big run on ammuntion in December.
And how in the world can they fit lot and serial numbers on the bottom of .22 soft-points and expect them to be readable after they're shot, anyway?
This type of bill is written by morons who have no clue about firearm construction, purchase, maintenance, or repair, let alone how to properly and safely shoot them.
All in the name of
MONEY. Like everything else, this is all about money. I believe that the company behind the legislation is trying to sell their systems to the states. And it won't cost the state anything because there are taxes tied to the bill in order to pay for it. www.ammocoding.com
Blah, of course, the fraken
Blah, of course, the fraken money...I hadn't looked for a company yet...great way to skim some millions out of the economy every year...all in the name of good...
I read their site and it says that it's not a violation of the 2nd Amendment because of the 1968 case about gun tracing...
Guess its time to stock up on the more unique ammo :)
AZ residents
Please write your state representatives (HB2833). We cannot allow the states to take away our civil liberties. I was suprised to see my new adopted state having this bill.
There is also a similar bill in Illinois. The language is very similar to the AZ bill. There has to be an organization behind these bills.
AT SOME POINT...WE THE
AT SOME POINT...WE THE PEOPLE SAY FUC# EM!
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Lol...
Yeah...
I've always like the Thomas Jefferson Quote on the 2nd Amendment:
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
And people have the nerve to say it's about hunting?
Any Idea on how to find out
the status of the bill? Next time please include the bill number (HB2833). It will make looking up the information much easier. Thanks.
Not sure...
Got this second hand, found it interesting and appalling enought to post here.
Handoad...Handload...Handload...
I've never seen a better excuse for buying a loading press...:)
Dave
Teaching Flying...and talking Ron Paul...and Liberty!
Teaching Flying...and talking Ron Paul...and Liberty!
lol yeah
but if you read the law:
Hand loading will most certainly fall under "manufacturer"
b. Beginning january 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor
shall dispose of all noncoded AMMUNITION that is owned or held by
the citizen or vendor.
K. a manufacturer that fails to comply with this section is subject
to a civil penalty of not more than one THOUSAND dollars for the
first violation, not more than five thousand dollars for a second
violation and not more than ten thousand dollars for any subsequent violation.
L. a vendor who knowingly fails to comply with this section or who
knowingly falsifies the records REQUIRED to be kept by this section
is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
M. a person who knowingly destroys, obliterates or otherwise
renders unreadable the coding REQUIRED by this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
So is shooting it making it unreadable
if the bullet gets messed up?
don't manufacture, assemble
If you just assemble the rounds from the component parts ( case, bullet, powder, primer) then you didn't manufacture anything. Now for commercial operations like Remington, WInchster, Nosler, etc, they actually manufacture the case and bullets so they have stamp the parts. When assemble these parts on your own for your own use, you shouldn't have to stamp them.
Sort of like how you can make your own wine without having to pay tax as long as you don't sell it.
I think I'll stock up on brass for the calibers I own or ever plan to own if this law actually gets passed....
By the way, I am not a lawyer, so this advice is worth what you paid for it.