US Faces The Mother of All Financial Meltdowns
Submitted by Bob-45 on Tue, 02/19/2008 - 16:16
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ft/20080219/bs_ft/fto021920081334359...
This is from the FINANCIAL TIMES. Wonder how this economist feels about Ron Paul?
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Will the G-7 Nations Impose
Will the G-7 Nations Impose Capital Controls?
By: Julian D. W. Phillips, Gold/Silver Forecaster - Global Watch
www.GoldForecaster.com 22nd February 2008
Finance leaders from the Group of Seven, industrialized nations discussed collective action to calm markets, if price moves become irrational. Finance ministers and central bankers from the G7 the United States, Canada, Japan, Britain, France, Germany, and Italysaid that financial market turmoil was serious and persisting. They also said more work was needed to restore markets to good working order and safeguard global growth. The European Central Bank believes that turbulence on financial markets could continue for months.
Consequently the -group have agreed that if there are irrational price movements in the markets, we will collectively take suitable measures to calm the financial markets. The markets will not be forewarned of such action, otherwise it will lose its effect if it is explained."
No action has been seen yet so no-one is too perturbed it seems. But we are, very perturbed! Could there be a more dramatic warning from the richest nations of the world for us? It may seem easy to assume that all they are going to do is to manipulate the froth out of the market. But they did not say that. How can one calm markets? And why will such action lose its effect if it is explained? Such statements are so strong they need to weighed carefully.
The succinct admission that turbulent markets will continue being turbulent for some time to come, while stating the obvious, is a warning from the entire body of major financial nations Finance Ministers [not warning from mere newsletter writers]. They are clearly concerned about the veritable Tsunami of Capital that is ready to rush from weak markets to strong, or the disappearence of such that is happening in the credit markets [like the pullback of the sea before the wave hits] and is being replaced by freshly issued money from the Central Banks. They are fully aware that volatility is here, as a market feature, to stay. They realize that such swings destroy the stability of world markets and make the markets malfunction, badly. The situation certainly has to be dire for them to issue such a warning?
What tools are in their hands to collectively take suitable measures to calm the financial markets? They are several and of different dimensions. We look at those that would be the first assumed points of action:
Exchange Rate or Interest Rate Management: It is unlikely they are referring to exchange rate or interest rate management as these tools are already in use by separate national Central Banks; however, if these nations want to manage exchange rates in concert the game changes somewhat. We presently believe that the G-7 have agreed trading bands within which currencies will move. Outside those bands we expect the G-7 to act to smooth them out. They would only contemplate such action if they exepected the volumes of capital are so large that they will make currencies move irrationally. History has shown that Central Banks no matter how important in the global money systemcan be defeated by speculators. The potential flows of capital that could flow at the moment are far larger than any speculator has imagined before.
If they succeed in holding exchange rates within specified trading bands, then it will be like making a four-laned highway for the capital to travel down. The markets from which they come from and those they go to will bear the full brunt of the tsunami and will show irrational moves. Bear in mind it will be the movement of capital that will show any irrationality, not normal international trade. Consequnetly such moves must be prevented from destabilizing international trade and the exchange rates that affect them. The separation of capital flows from trade flows has usually been the first point of action by Central Banks often making a separate currency for capital movements. This can be through Capital Controls or Exchange Controls, subject to the severity of the irrationality of the markets affected.
Credit Markets: We have seen action from several Central Banks nowin particular, the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bankto the tune of hundreds of billions of $ and s (a figure expected to rise to over $450 billion). By the end of March we should know what this figure is headed towards in the next year as well as the last one. We have no doubt they will continue to act to save the banking systems of the G-7 group of nations through the replacement of lost values [capital] by the issue of much more as we have seen to date. We are led to believe that the subsidence of confidence in the banking system and amongst bankers themselves is spreading up from the poor end of the housing market to the more expensive end of the market. Thereafter, it is hitting the bond insurance market, likely to hit the credit card market and could push over into the car finance market. Thereafter, who knows where? There is no reason why this disease should stop at one point and not the next. The entire system is like an inverted pyramid with the world banks being the tiny point at the bottom. They will have to focus their attention the most on the capital side of the global banking system! The role of the Central Bankers as lenders of last resort has been amply demonstrated over the last few months and will continue to be so. Unfortunately, the money issued has not been taken by those who really need it, but has often been taken by banks funding other aspects of their operations leaving the crisis relatively intact. The sheer volume of newly issued capital adds to the mighty volumes of capital that can move and cause irrational movements in markets.
The G-7 nations are giving us warnings of their coordinated action. Therefore, it has to be action to calm international movements of capital. As has been the case in the past and will be in the future, such action will attempt to leave international trade untouched and unhindered to go its merry way of keeping the system going amongst a regime of stable [relatively] exchange rates. Hence, the chief tool has to be Capital Controls or exchange Controls. These measures will be far more than punitive simple Witholding Taxes that penalized the export of capital seen in the States in the past. They will have to be immediate and effectively halt irrational movements. Only Capital and Exchange Controls fit the bill.
In the Gold Forecaster we have highlighted the probabilty of Capital Controls and Exchange Controls for some time now, but this warning tells us that they are imminent and will arrive without warning as the G-7 have said themselves.
What does this mean for you and for me and for all those financial institutions out there across the globe? It means if we want to protect ourselves from the pernicious effects of these we must act NOW! The time for adjusting ones affairs, not only to protect ones wealth, but to re-structure it beyond the reach of these authorities is running out. It would be extremely unwise to wait until the authorities have acted because you might find yourself listening to the sound of the trap of Controls snapping shut over you?
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Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
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It is now being openly discussed throughout the mainstream media that were are heading into a deep recession, very bumpy ride ahead for all of us!
I might be wrong, but
I think we still have time until around 2010. I'm guessing that we'll see a big commodity bubble until around 2010 before a major collapse of the nearly 100 year old credit bubble. Probably recession, but no collapse until around 2010 is my guess. But, I'm looking at this in the scalse of 70 to 100 years. If I was off by 2 years, I'm only off by about 2% and I think that's still a pretty good guess.
Anyway, Americanism. That's the key. Watch Overview of America. It's a pretty good film.
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As a 23 year old
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I feel i am going to get seriously screwed.
I actually wanted to become a nurse for awhile, but the pay is ridiculous. I guess you're going to start seeing alot of Mexican nurses.
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At least it's job security.
Nurses always have jobs, no matter how bad the recession. It is a very stressful job.
LOL!
no you won't, they will start to go back home, to there homeland if it gets that shitty here, remember there will some countries who will be making out during this period.
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
Nawww There's mucho more good stuff to steal here when the going
bad. Why would they go home?
Ron Paul he's my hero!
look out for
H.R. 393-don't know about it yet?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-393
If McSane steals the nomination Barack and Hillary are behind this bill!
Get married and have kids quick, or stay in school. Otherwise you'll be forced to serve your country in other countries.
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I'd say do what you love to do.
We'll be all dead in the long run anyway, right? So, why not live the life that you love?
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well
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I love what i am doing.. or rather was doing... managing a punk rock venue. Unfortunately we have been shut down. They did a suprise fire inspection. We got up to code within a week, but they have delayed the inspection four times now. I worked really hard to turn the place into what it is, but I have lost my apartment, and I can only hope we will reopen in march and get our business back gradually.
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Why do you even like punk rock?
No idea. But, I guess it has to be you to understnad. Isn't it more fun to fight against evil neocons and cfr's? Perhpas, we all should thank them someday? But, NO! I think they have crossed the line that they should NOT have. What went wrong with them? I just don't know why. Why do they do what they do? Listen to Ron Paul! You still have time. You can still switch sides. Weren't you proud to be American at one point? No, I'm not talking to you JohnGalt300. I was talking to neocons and cfr's.
They are making mistakes. There are so many examples like them in history. I'm sure they are very scared. They can still switch sides. Of course, it won't do any good to tell them.
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actually
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"Why do you like punk rock
Isn't it more fun to fight against evil neocons and cfr's?"
Hm. I can tell you don't know much about punk rock:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G245hIgiYBI
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Nope. I guess I don't.
I've heard of "London Calling" Is that punk rock? LOL.
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sort of
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check out the link i posted you'll get it
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Hey, I just checked out the link.
Not bad. Not bad at all, even though, I'm an elevator music kind of guy :) just kidding. Still sounds 3 codes :) Anyway, you know. I think that education is the key.
Check this out.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36279
I've been introducing this film to strangers as well as friends and I just decided to direct them to DP, so that I don't have to spend too much time explaining things especially when I meet someone on the street, etc.
When they know how to contact me, I wouldn't, but otherwise, I'll post my greetings here. You may want to do the same. I mean introduce RP and/or this film whenever you can to whoever you can. Post your greetings here if you like.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/39600
I'm going to bed now.
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Economy is like your life.
Of course, this is just my opinon. But, I'm very confident that I'm right. Of course, that's just my opinon, too.
Anyway, economy is like your life. What I mean is this. Your own economic life is rather predictable relative to your age. And a country's macro economy is just a sum of all individual economic lives. So, it's also quite predictable. It's not that difficult to figure out the big trend. It's rather extremely simple.
All I need is a population pyramid of a country to tell if the country is having inflation or deflation, if the economy would boom or bust.
Right. Harry Dent stuff. He's basically right. But, keep in mind that you can only tell the general big trend with this measure.
There are other issues that affect short term fluctuations like monetary system, interest rates, etc. But, the main thing is the population. You can tinker around the economy a little bit in the short run with these things, but you can't change the big trend. The population decides the big trend.
That's the real reason why they want NAU. They want the young population of Mexico to mitigate the down turn due to the aging population of U.S.A. They want Canadian population to compete against China and India. Actually, they are rather desperate. I think that China, India and Asia in general laugh at NWO. So, there are talks about genocides.
But, look at Japan. It's a tiny country, but it did pretty good economically speaking. Sure, the population of Japan was an important factor. But, Japan did far better than other countries with similar populations.
Now look at the U.S. It's a tiny country compared to China and India.
But, the U.S. was. Yes, the U.S. was a tiny country before compare to the giants in Europe. So, why the U.S. became so successful? Did you watch Overview of America? You know what? They are right. Americanism. That's the key. That's the only thing that can alter the fate of this economy, not the manipulation of the population.
So, do you understand what I'm talking about? I'm saying that Ron Paul is RIGHT. Listen to him. He's trying to remind you about the Americanism. If you are a neocon of CFR, I know you are scared, but NAU won't help you. Your plan won't work. Go back to the Americanism. That's your solution! Americanism is our solution. It is the future. You better switch sides, soon because you will be defeated BADLY. Learn from the history. Don't make the same mistakes.
Well, good luck to you.
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Natural Capital
I agree with those of you stating that recessions are a natural part of the cycle and it is possible that the next one will not be anything to worry about. However, I think it is also important to note that we are in a much more financial trouble than we have ever been in as a country. For example, in the past, we were able to work out of recessions by creating products from natural capital for people within and outside of the United States to purchase. However, many predictions state that the US will be importing 100% of it's crude oil by 2020 (vs. 60% in 2006), our manufacturing sector has shrunk massively since WW2, and our supply of many other natural resources has been squandered as well. So considering that the US will soon have to import almost all of our oil for transportation, how will our nation possibly be able to recover and once again make products from natural resources for profit?
In addition, in the past, the United States did not have 9 trillion dollars of debt and 53 trillion dollars in total future obligations to pay. Why would the rest of the world even think about lending the US more money to actually stimulate our economy when we likely won't be able to pay back our existing debts?
Of course, there's also the matter of actual consumer ability to continue spending. Our country has for the first time in history a negative savings rate, record consumer debt, and there are signs that loan defaults will be increasing for at least the next few years. Since the stagflation of the 1970's, things have not been improving for the average American. 80% of the increased value of the stock market has gone to people with incomes in the top 20%. So essentially, the middle class doesn't have anything more to spend. If 70% of our GDP is based on consumer spending, how will be possibly be able to quickly get out of a recession.
I'm no economist, just a believer in common sense. I would say within the next ten years we are looking at a return to 70's stagflation (except longer) in a best case scenario, and a repeat of the great depression at the worst. (Except much more severe, as how due to our greatly increased urban population, America is less self-sufficient than ever.)
How are you measuring a shrink in the manufacturing sector?
By employment? If so, the manufacturing sector in all industrialized countries has shrunk (China is losing manufacturing jobs as well). This is not to do faltering economies but due to increased automation. There is going to continue to be less and less employment in the manufacturing sector as the global economy advances technologically.
"A coming recession?"
Two days ago I read an article (yes, I should have kept it) that said if you used the same benchmarks that were used pre-WWII, America would be classified as being in a depression. Nobody wants to say the "R" word, yet from the 5 weeks I just spent in the US, I have never seen it so bad -- closed businesses, foreclosure signs, trash in the parks, beggars, unkempt people. It really did remind me of something out of the 30's.
Back in Australia, the credit affair continues. It won't last much longer. We are getting a half point interest rate increase next month to 8%.
For those of you with primaries yet to come -- keep up the fight!
For those of you yet to "max out" -- keep it coming.
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Good luck to us all,
Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
itll happen tomorrow
havent a bunch of people said that the meltdown will start tomorrow or next week? and each time been wrong?
stopped clock...
BUBBLES ...
... that's how they keep it going. When you hear POP! POP! POP! then you know it's all over. How do they create bubbles? Why they just use paper and green ink to print up lots and lots of PAPER money, and they reduce interest rates to suck people into "good" deals, aka deals they could never afford in a real economy..
Just because they've kept it going by manipulating one market after another, does not mean the end won't come. It just means that, as long as they've postponed the inevitable, the end will be that much worse.
THESE
these doom and gloom predictions get damn old
Another great article on the subject
from Mike Whitney called "Bernanke's State of the Economy Speach "You Are All Dead Ducks", this found on GlobalResearch.Ca. part of the article after the reading of the Bernanke speach of 2-18 before the Senate Banking Committee----Whitney says "So, lets summarize, the banks are battered by there massive subprime liabilities. Housing is in the tank. Manufacturing is down. Food and energy are up. Unemployment is rising. And consumer spending has shriveled to the size of an acorn. All that is missing is a trumpet blast and arrival of the Four Horseman. How is it Bernanke's economic post mortem never made its way into the major media? Is there some reason the real state of the economy is being concealed from "we the people."
I do believe a meltdown is coming
This final meltdown of the US and world economy has been coming for a very long time. Anyone, except perhaps those who swallowed the "new economy" rhetoric, could have predicted this years and years ago. Banksters and Wall Street understand the gameplan (heck, they were the main players) ... which was ALWAYS to bring the United States of America down to third world status. So I'm never impressed with economists who have only recently arrived on the scene, with their dire warnings.
The organizers of this disaster have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams by using the smoke and mirrors technique ... fooling people into believing that "paper" wealth was the same as owning real wealth. Well, it's not! Paper wealth becomes paper garbage when the smoke clears away, as we are now witnessing.
Just 50 years ago, the US was an almost completely self-sufficient economy. It blows my mind that they could turn us around it so short a time. Of course, it took "public" (government brainwashing) schooling, and much TV viewing to dumb people down to accepting the new financial senario and get rich quick schemes..
I have a few suggestions: STOP buying crap from China, even if it costs less. (If I can't find a necessary item not made in China, I buy it second-hand). STOP supporting our Chinese outlets: Walmart, Target, etc. Shop at local stores whenever possible. (Yes, it will cost more but buy only what you need and not what you want). Read up/study barter systems. We will need to resort to such systems just to survive. SAVE YOUR CHINDREN FROM GOVERNMENT "EDUCATION." and GET THEM OUT OF DAYCARE. Raise your own kids. Teach them yourselves, at home. Impart wholesome values to them. Help your neighbors. THROW OUT THE BOOB TUBE! Finally, and most importantly, get on your knees and PRAY! ONLY GOD CAN TURN THIS AROUND ... but He won't do it without our help!
100%
Agree!!
Somewhere
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The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds are cackling.
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Some day ...
..... Ron Paul and Peter Schiff will be on the television and their counterparts will no longer be able to denigrate and marginalize them.
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Mother melting down
Thank you for the link. The site is quite interesting to look around and it has videos' and everything. It would seem the heat will come on in Aug/Sept from what I can deduce by reading loads of economic website material just about the right time for Ron Paul.
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip -U.K
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.