What now, Ron Paul Racing
A PAC of lies?
Some people have mentioned we didnt even need to form a PAC, and they called the FEC and confirmed it. If thats the case its worse then we thought. The whole reason RP Racing basically was shut down was to conform to these regulations. I was assured by the "Experts" this was mandatory. I believed them. I will follow up on this more as it had the effect of shutting down RP Racing and has broad implications.
It looks like the no matter what Ron Paul Racing does will be considered to little to late. Liberty Pac did not accept the Pay Pal transfer sent them from RP Donations, and I guess returned them. If Pay Pal does not freeze this money, which is a good possibility if they receive complaints, I believe the best way to solve this is send the money to a third party.
After seeing the true supporters that do positive things, I recommend these funds be sent in whole or part to Ron Paul Revolution radio, The Daily Paul, and / or The Granny Warriors along with the donation and expense records. With the blending of expenses with Liberty PAC , Funding the Corporation paperwork, Webmaster, Press release subscription and Tee shirts and stickers, It will take awhile to return what percentage to each person.
I hope you all can come to a consensus and expedite the final decision as this is not a good position for us to be in, and closer on this will do the moment well.
Thank you
Ron Paul Racing
So many words, so little information.
Sounds like an Obama speech.
Let me ask what I'm sure the donaters are wondering: how much was money was brought in as donations? How much was spent and for what? How much is left?
Of the money spent, who did those spent dollars go to?
I have no need to LIE-
Most people that use PayPal know that funds can be sent to another PayPal account, ( this doesn't complete the transaction.). And yes you did send the funds from your account to LRPAC's PayPal account, but you had added in your comments, several stipulations on accepting these funds. I as Treasurer could not accept. Those funds were refunded back to you from PayPal not our bank account.. ....I am responsible for any funds that come in to LRPAC, ...... for complete and accurate records, deposits and conforming to ALL FEC & IRS guidelines. The funds you sent were funds you collected and that you need to report to the FEC, with Names, Addy's etc. Or refund the money to the Donors that made those donations to You ..(Also you only made a Transfer of $2,863.50 ) and i do not think that is the total of the donations you have on hand. Lets please stop this mud slinging. I will only post the facts as i have them. Mike Simon Treasurer@LibertyRacingPAC.org
PS. The good people on this forum and others will learn what the truth is about all of this. They will see for themselves who has lied, and who to ask for their money back..I do not appreciate being called a lier, because i am a member of Liberty Racing PAC... You Mr. Conrad need to be aware of what you are saying about others is a LIE...And Take these statements somewhere other than on these forums...
I called the FEC during this past week.
I am trying to put together my own thing with a fight promo www.RingsideRevolution.com
I saw that they were a PAC so I figured that is what I needed to do. Then I called the FEC and got a specialist for elections. He told me that collecting donations to put a candidates name on various things in various venues was no big deal. He said that when the donations are disbursed I have to file FORM 5 with them. All donations under $200 remain anonymous while any above must be included on that form. Meaning I will need to put their name and address, along with amount donated on the form. It is just a report and really is meaningless. They do it in case someone dumps a ton of money that was unclaimed in previous tax returns. Anyone legit has nothing to sweat.
A PAC is completely different and is QUITE confusing. And ABSOLUTELY unnecessary if all you want to do is put RPs name on a race car. These people have a lot of fancy Job titles that are NOT needed. I made the web-site myself. Another RP supporter is hosting it and another supporter has made a video for me. No big deal and not confusing at all. When the form gets filed it gets posted on the websitefor all to see. Accept I will not post any donors names on the internet. The FEC requires that but I think that people need to remain as anonymous as possible.
All this MUMBO JUMBO about PAC crap is pointless.
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
Yes, what RonPaulRacing.com
Yes, what RonPaulRacing.com is doing requires a PAC.
Whoever said it did not was misinformed.
CF
BS
I called them myself! That is a f@#kin lie! You do not need to be a PAC to put RPs name on a F@#KIN race car! Call the FEC yourself on Monday. EVERYONE CALL! The site said Ron Paul Racing. Right? They want to put RPs name on a race car. Right? THAT IS IT! THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DONATING TOO! Right?
RON PAUL Racing. Right?
If they spend the money on ANYTHING ELSE. Then they are FRAUDS! I am collecting and EVERY PENNY I COLLECT WILL GO TO THE COST OF SPONSORSHIP! EVERY CENT! And I do not need to be a PAC!
And $26 for a friggen T-Shirt is a RIP OFF!!!
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
The definition of a PAC ID or FEC ID..
No need to get into an uproar.
You say that the FEC told you that you only need to submit FEC Form 5.
Have you actually looked at FEC Form 5?
Here it is: http://www.fec.gov/pdf/forms/fecfrm5.pdf
Pay close attention to item '3' on that form, "FEC Identification Number"
That is the Committee ID that has been discussed thourougly on this board.
The Liberty Racing number is C00445098.
When you go to fill out your Form 5, what are you going to type in there?
"CDONTKNOW"?
Perhaps there is some confusion over the definition of the actual 'name' of that ID. It's called the Committee ID on the PAC search results and called the FEC ID on the form. Whichever it is, that number is needed - and it has to be applied for.
CF
Will investigate. Thanks for the heads up.
The specialist told me that I did not need to be formed a PAC. I imagine that that area can be left blank. But I will check. I am just sick of this Racing soap opera. Sorry if I seemed upset... I was.
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
Understandable :)I'm only
Understandable :)
I'm only going by the information I could gather from my own research online, and a phone call to the FEC.
I get the feeling that it all depends on 'who answers the phone' there as to what answer you'll get hehe.
I was told that any activity that requests donations from more than 50 unique people, no matter what amount those people donate, when the funds are to be used to advertise for a campaign, the organization has to have a PAC set up.
I was also told that if the monies were going for nothing but products with the candidates name on them that people would purchase - that the 'purchase' is being made for a 'product', and since a product exchanged hands for the money, (for instance, a Ron Paul coffee cup) there was no need for a PAC to be set up.
But, if there were both 'products' (T-Shirts) and 'non-product support' (Race car emblems) then a PAC was needed.
That's what I was told.. it made sense.. it matches up with what it says online at the FEC (though it could just as easily go the other way), so that's what I base my conclusions on :)
From what I understand, setting up a PAC doesn't involve fees.. or if it does, they must be minimal because no one has brought them up yet.. so in either case, when advertising for a campaign - I really dont see how getting a PAC identification number is much of a burden.
Better be 'safe' than 'sorry'? If it turns out you didn't need it, then there's nothing to worry about. But if you DID need it and didn't have it...
CF
Some ideas
Ron Paul demolition derby
Ron Paul Monster Trucks
Ron Paul Dirt Bikes
Nascar ain't the end all be all.
Also, they could sponsor www.ringsiderevolution.com and get millions of viewers with the money they've already collected.
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
I believe the donations
I believe the donations would go to the official campaign if RPR were to disband, but don't quote me on that. That's certainly the course of action I would choose.
I chose to donate to Ron Paul sponsorship on a race car.
I have no interest in the sport for which ringside revolution is soliciting donations nor do I have any idea who the guy is. Same goes for everyone I know.
Hell, I don't even have cable and neither do a slew of people here who cancelled their subscriptions over the past several months.
Would I want my donation transferred to support Ron Paul's name embroidered on the cuff of someone's pants along with a mention at a one-time event that will purportedly be viewed by a couple million Showtime viewers? Nope.
Regardless, there's no way I would consider donating any money to someone who represents himself on behalf of his cause in the unprofessional manner GalacticWacko has. (i.e. the comment in this topic entitled "BS")
Hey!
I have been busting my butt for months on this campaign! And if I am a little miffed at this Racing Soap Opera then so be it. I may have been born at night... but not last night.
I DO NOT WANT ANY OF THAT MONEY! Especially if it will offend those that wanted it on a race car. And yeah... BS is BS. Sorry, I call it as I see it. Maybe it means BLOOMIN SHANNANIGANS!
One thing that everyone must realize is that the MSM ignores MMA as well and that Joe Rogan has expressed interest in Dr. Paul. He is the commentator for the UFC. The fight I want is a Showtime fight... ITS FREE. I specifically chose that so people did not have to pay. Maybe you do not like sports. But to watch a fight where we will be represented is gonna be one heck of a fun time and FUN is what the Doc said we should have. Sure, it's not for everyone. But for those that wish it... then donate and watch. For those that don't give... STILL WATCH! And have FUN!
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
It's not the title "BS"
that I took issue with, but the attitude and manner of expressing your thoughts. And the whole concept of blasting another third-party organization to promote your own is harmful to everyone involved on both sides.
You're doing a pretty good job perpetuating said "soap opera" for someone claims to be so "miffed".
It's on Showtime meaning it's free IF YOU HAVE CABLE and subscribe to the channel. The problem is, though, that cable is NOT FREE and people do have to pay or already paying for it.
No cable = no watchy.
NASCAR is on broadcast T.V. and broadcast T.V. is free to everyone.
Not being interested in your preferred sport does not negate my love of other sports.
I love racing, especially Formula One. My dad raced stock cars before he was drafted and served in Vietnam. My brother-in-law, a proud member of the NYFD, races Sportbikes.
Hockey is awesome and I hope the Red Wings win the Stanley cup this year.
Good point.
What does 404-page not found mean? I click my first vote and that is what I get.
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
I wish I knew. I've been
I wish I knew. I've been wondering about that myself as well, but sort of thought that it must have been a glitch in the system or unaccessible to Mac users since it's also happened when I've clicked other people's alias's.
Now that I know it's not just a problem on my end I'll contact the powers that be and try to have it fixed. :)
EDIT: I've sent an email requesting that the issue be repaired.
i thought they
were just moving the website?
Yes, we're moving to www.ronpaulracing.org!
The owner of www.ronpaulracing.com resigned from the Executive Committee of Liberty Racing PAC on February 20th.
Although at first he said he would sell the domain name www.ronpaulracing.com to Liberty Racing PAC, after two days of negotiations, the owner of the domain name declined to do so.
As a precaution, I registered the domain name ending in .org so that we could move the existing site to a new home.
The owner of the domain name www.ronpaulracing.com mistakenly believes that the site content (the graphic designs, code, text, etc.) belongs to him. However, that is not the case. He is simply the owner of the domain name, not the files it points to. The site content is copyrighted material that was being used by Liberty Racing PAC with the permission of its authors (myself and the webmaster/designer).
We hope to have the Ron Paul Racing site back up at www.ronpaulracing.org sometime this weekend. We're not sure when, as our webmaster, Justin, is at a Ron Paul campaign event in Austin today. He's hoping to get a photo with Dr. Paul.
Please stay tuned to www.ronpaulracing.org for the latest news.
Kathleen Hanover
Communications Director
Liberty Racing PAC
www.libertyracingpac.org
www.ronpaulracing.org
media [at] ronpaulracing.org
(937) 275-2235
Kathleen Hanover
Communications Director
Liberty Racing PAC
www.libertyracingpac.org
www.ronpaulracing.org
media [at] ronpaulracing.org
(937) 275-2235