WHO was the FIRST Fascist President of the U.S.??????

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(An email from a friend, James Knowles, is response to a few of my questions.)
Emulating FDR: A horrible idea
By Jonah Goldberg

"America has a dictator," Benito Mussolini proclaimed, watching FDR from abroad. He marveled at how the forces of "spiritual renewal" on display in the New Deal were destroying the outdated notion that democracy and liberalism were "immortal principles." "Roosevelt is moving, acting, giving orders independently of the decisions or wishes of the Senate or Congress. ... A sole will silences dissenting voices." That almost sounds like Harry Reid
talking about Bush.

Mussolini reviewed FDR's book, Looking Forward proclaiming the author a kindred spirit. The way Roosevelt "calls his readers to battle," he wrote, "is reminiscent of the ways and means by which fascism awakened the Italian people." "Without question," he continued, the "sea change" in America "resembles that of fascism." Indeed, the comparisons were so commonplace, Mussolini's press office banned the practice. "It is not to be emphasized that Roosevelt's policy is fascist because these comments are immediately cabled to the United States and are used by his foes to attack him."

The German press adored FDR. In 1934, the Vlkischer Beobachter, the Nazi Party's official newspaper, described Roosevelt as a man of "irreproachable, extremely responsible character and immovable will" and a "warm-hearted leader of the people with a profound understanding of social needs." Hitler sent FDR a letter celebrating his "heroic efforts" and "successful battle against economic distress." Hitler informed the U.S. ambassador, William Dodd, that New Dealism was also "the quintessence of the German state philosophy."

The New Dealers were not so much mimicking the Soviet Union, Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany. They were attempting to recreate what they had built -up under Woodrow Wilson's war socialism.

Today we have no historical memory of how brutal the Wilson Administration was, nor do we realize that many Progressives supported the war not so much because they championed its foreign policy aims, but because they yearned for the "social possibilities of war," in the words of John Dewey, the 20th century's premier political philosopher.

The war provided an opportunity to force Americans to, as journalist Frederick Lewis Allen put it, "lay by our good-natured individualism and march in step." Or as another progressive put it, "Laissez faire is dead. Long live social control."

It was this spirit which informed FDR's administration. By 1944 he made good on Wilson's conviction that the US constitution was outmoded and in need of replacing with a new "living constitution." FDR's proposed innovation was a new "economic bill of rights" which included:

>The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.

>The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.

>The right of every family to a decent home.

>The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.

You read correctly, the right to 'recreation'.

With the intellectuals on their side, Wilson recruited journalist George Creel to become a propaganda minister as head of the newly formed Committee on Public Information (CPI).

Mr. Creel declared that it was his mission to inflame the American public into "one white-hot mass" under the banner of "100 percent Americanism." Fear was a vital tool, he argued, "an important element to be bred in the civilian population."

The CPI printed millions of posters, buttons, pamphlets, that did just that. A typical poster for Liberty Bonds cautioned, "I am Public Opinion. All men fear me!... [I]f you have the money to buy and do not buy, I will make this No Man's Land for you!"

Meanwhile, the CPI released a string of propaganda films with such titles as "The Kaiser," "The Beast of Berlin," and "The Prussian Cur."

Remember when French fries became "freedom fries" in the run-up to the Iraq war? Thanks in part to the CPI, sauerkraut become "victory cabbage."

Under the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918, Wilson's administration shut down newspapers and magazines at an astounding pace.

Indeed, any criticism of the government, even in your own home, could earn you a prison sentence. One man was brought to trial for explaining in his own home why he didn't want to buy Liberty Bonds.

The Wilson administration sanctioned what could be called an American fascist, the American Protective League. The APL - a quarter million strong at its height, with offices in 600 cities - carried government-issued badges while beating up dissidents and protesters and conducting warrantless searches and interrogations.

Even after the war, Wilson refused to release the last of America's political prisoners, leaving it to subsequent Republican administrations to free the anti-war Socialist Eugene V. Debs and others.

The left claims that president Bush seeks to do something like this with the war on terror. But look at the evidence. No newspapers closed down, a sum total of three detainees water-boarded, two hard core terrorists who happen to be American citizens have had their habeus corpus rights "infringed." After 9/11 President Bush asked the American people to go shopping, not to give up capitalism.

Meanwhile, on the left, self-styled progressives keep trying to recreate the New Deal and the progressive era.

New York Times columnist pines for a "new progressive era." Barack Obama gushed about how he was re-dedicating his campaign at the University of Wisconsin where the Progressive movement was born. Hillary says she's not a liberal but a "modern progressive."

Now, obviously, none of the current crop of self-described progressives are eager to replay the darkest chapters of the past.
But we make a mistake when we assume that we can cherry pick only the good parts of our past to re-create.

Jonah Goldberg is the author of the New York Times bestseller Liberal Fascism

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Yes, I would say the same thing--it isn't fascism per se

but centralized, dictatorial power and rule of men over the rule of law. In that regard, I'd have to say it's a toss up between Adams and Lincoln with a lean toward Lincoln...

I'd go back to John Adams...

with the Alien and Sedition Acts. Of course, there's also Washington, with his "Whiskey Rebellion". Old "Honest Abe," however, was the best at obscuring it. What's really funny are the environventalists that love Abe. All they need to do is go to Harper's Ferry to see the century and a half results of Abe's handiwork.

Has To Be Woodrow

Instigator of the notion of America as world police; Federal Reserve Act; WWI; Federal Income Tax.

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honest abe

honest abe

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I think St. Lincoln could win this contest

Fascism = the linking of corporate and federal interests to impose force.

The South didn't rise up just to protect their unique "institutions", but also for the right to trade with Europe on their own terms. i.e., the States. Because the North forced heavy tariffs on imported industrial goods from Europe, Southern buyers were forced to purchase Northern made industrial goods instead. If not for the federally mandated import duties, the Southern states could have traded directly with the Europeans. So the South rebels for many reasons, this one included, and Lincoln harnesses the industrial power of the North to put down the Southern insurrection.

Sounds fascist to me. But then by this example all wars are fascist, aren't they?

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yeah......

I would say Lincoln was our first dictator.

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On a Positive Note

Who was the most patriotic President?

Andrew Jackson for breaking up the 2nd National Bank of the US (soooo relevant today...)? Of course he wasn't much of a states rights advocate and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous people doesn't sit too well either.

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Centralized vs De-Centralized Power is

the better question.

Fascism, Socialism, Communism... it's all semantics. The differences in the details are so minute as to hardly be worth discussion.

The problems facing our country and our government are the exact same problems man has faced since the beginning of time. It's the age-old struggle between those currently in control of the resources (or who want it badly enough to kill for it) versus those who are not.

Whether it be dynasty, monarchy, oligarchy, dictator, Ceasar, fuerher, pharoah, king, emperor, potentate or president... it's ALWAYS about the few controlling the many. The only thing that changes is the addition of slight "tweeks" to the methodology. The endgame however, is always the same.

The NWO-types... nothing new there. Same shit-different century. Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, Nazis, Communists... it's all been tried a hundred times (and eventually failed with the passing of a few generations). All we're witnessing is the "current crop" of Pharoah wannabe's. It seems like a crisis because this is the generation in which WE'RE living... but it ain't nothing new. (I guess if I were a Rothschild and worth ~$40 Trillion, I might become delusional and start thinking I owned the world as well!) They'll eventually die just to be replaced by a new generation of "leaders" for us to resist. Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.

If the Founding Fathers were alive today (God bless 'em), they would be branded as anarchists and immediately thrown in jail. The American experiment and our Constitution was about recognizing the Sovereignty and Self-Determination of Individuals. This Principle transcends one man or an entire generation of men. It's a battle that's been waged upon We the People for eons and it will continue to be fought for as long as there are two or more on the planet.

Facism (hard or soft) is nothing new. It's guiding principles are just a (relatively) new name for the same tired old stuff of domination and oppression for the benefit of the (current) ruling class.

Whenever you hear the Elites say, "Let 'em eat cake", you'll know that we're just about home.

May God Please Bless Ron Paul. He seems to be the only man left in Washington that remembers what America is supposed to be about.

Fascism, Socialism,

Fascism, Socialism, Communism... it's all semantics.

Very true. Never let a leftist tell you that fascism is a right-wing ideology. Here is an excellent 10-minute summary of political systems: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE

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Man, you beat me to it!

Man, you beat me to it! Luckily we had Jefferson to right the wrongs of Adams.

woke up

only woke up to all this after Clinton with his Elian, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Eschelon, China Missles type stuff.

Then learned about Lincoln and FDR. Then LBJ and Wilson. Wierd how that brought me to Bush/Clinton again.

Our battle isn't against flesh and blood.

My only choice will be to write in Dr. Paul.

Not Adams

although that act was un-American, it was not typical of his behavior, it was an exception. By the time you get to Woody Wilson, FDR, and Dubya, those kind of things are their modus operandi.

FDR was first Fascist

but Lincoln was the first tyrant. He essentially ended the constitutional republic.

Others, like Adams as have been pointed out, gave things a go, a try, but didn't get too far.

Lincoln turned it into high gear, FDR into overdrive. After that it was all coasting compared to those two.

John Adams

Alien and Sedition Acts

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

FDR and fascism

Sorry. this hardcore neocon apologist and Dick Cheney fan club member/loyal jackboot-licker, Jonah Goldberg, has no credibility in my eyes.

If he wants to talk about FDR and fascism, talk about the unsuccessful fascist coup attempt by Prescott Bush (W's grandaddy).

"We don't have to start a brand new revolution...All we have to do is restore the original Constitution." -Ron Paul

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

FDR...

FDR was the guy who confiscated the people's gold and greatly accellerated our path toward a 100% fiat monetary system. If W ended up doing the same thing in the next several months, I'm sure you'd have a problem with it.

Good point

Good point

Thanks for all the posts

People's opinion's here are as diverse as their perception, education, and lives. We can all learn from History and each other!

The point here being; things happening today are not much different than the past. "meet your new boss, same as the old boss".

What we do have here today in a bonified, bloodless r3VOLution.

It's easier to make a difference once you understand the problem, and the power of the pen (aka computer) and ease of sending letters (emails) to our elected officials will allow more transparency.

We have all the news and information at the click of our web browser! Dig, never stop working, never live in fear, and never give up! They win only if you live in fear.

Also remember, "they" never could have imagined the internet - let alone its power for the people.

John Adams, first (for the alien and sedition acts)

Lincoln for suspending Habeus Corpus, ( and the beginning of a tax on labor) second, LBJ third , W , hopefully last.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

You forgot Woodrow....

A deathbed rant about how he screwed up and is sorry about it does not make up for signing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

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I agree, I guess that would make Woodrow Wilson third

LBJ fourth, W, hopefully fifth and last.

Libera-me, let the truth break, what my fears make...Leslie Phillips

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

I'd have to go with Woodrow.

I'd have to go with Woodrow. Interesting question.

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Lincoln tax only on Federal Employees

It was a condition of employment. The first income tax on the general population was in 1895 when Cleveland was president. It was later found to be unconstitutional. This led to the 16th amendment.

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Sedition act

John Adams was the first to try with the sedition act. Unlike today, though, people were outraged and voted him out of office.

I'd Say That To Be LBJ

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If he truly did have something (??) to do with the murder of JFK -- that's put him at the top of the list, followed later by GHWB (former CIA chief and 'influencial' VP behind the ailing Ronald Reagan). But what do I know? Nothing more than I read and/or am told.

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When I assisted FL with calling to get out the vote for RP...

I spoke to a woman raised in Texas and worked in DC for 30 years. Her husband was with the IRS (deceased) and she told me that regardless of how corrupt I thought DC was, it was worse!

She also said he knew the FIT was illegal.

She said everyone in DC knew JFK was killed because he did not go along with...

Second, she told me that Lady Byrd Johnson owned Halliburton. (Probably put company in her name as Lydon was VP) who, we know, profits from war - even Vietnam.

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With out a doubt Woodrow

With out a doubt Woodrow Wilson

Forcing an illegal income tax on the labor and wages of working people was a true facist act.

In my lifetime, its George Bush Jr.

And Dick Cheney

Worst nightmare has to be FDR? He started the UN right?

(Or was it the "League"? )

I'm far from a history buff.
But since I see the UN as the largest and most evil force driving everything, while it uses the religious influence (read: bullying) of the Vatican to give it more "credibility" and thus making it harder to thwart, my short answer is FDR.
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