My letter from Obama
This is the reply I got from Obama about 1055-59. It is still pretty bad, but better than the one I got from Durbin.
Dear Tobias:
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts regarding the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. I appreciate hearing from you.
This legislation would amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to create a national commission to examine and prepare a report on the causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States. The legislation would also establish a Center of Excellence to study the roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism, and methods that can be used by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate and prevent homegrown terrorism.
The American people understand that new threats require flexible responses to keep them safe. They also insist that our responses to threats respect the Constitution and do not violate the basic tenets of our democracy. The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act includes provisions prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security's efforts from violating civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents. Please know of my unwavering commitment to the protection of civil liberties and my longstanding opposition to racial profiling. I will monitor the progress of this legislation to ensure that it neither violates civil liberties nor promotes racial profiling.
As you know, this legislation passed the House by a 404-6 vote on October 23, 2007. I will keep your comments in mind if this legislation is considered by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs, and you can be sure that I will not support any bill that I believe violates civil rights or civil liberties
Thank you again for contacting me. Please keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
United States Senator





















I got a similar
letter from Joe Lieberman. Surprised? I'm not. He even states that it is important to find a fair balance between security and civil liberties. I want him arrested for treason against the american people.
What ticks me off as well is that we are required to use a web form to contact them, then we may get an email back that we cannot reply to. Just another way to make it difficult to talk to our representatives.
What a scumbag
Fortune Favors the Bold
I am telling all my friends who are Obama supporters about this. Disgusting.
Fortune Favors the Bold
This Bill and Barack Obama are JOKEs besides being evil.
"First let’s take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill.
The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.
`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
The definition of homegrown terrorism uses equally vague language to further define thought crime. The bill includes the planned use of force or violence as homegrown terrorism which could be interpreted as thinking about using force or violence. Not only that but the definition is so vaguely defined, that petty crimes could even fall into the category of homegrown terrorism. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.
`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Section 899B of the bill goes over the findings of Congress as it pertains to homegrown terrorism. Particularly alarming is that the bill mentions the Internet as a main source for terrorist propaganda. The bill even mentions streams in obvious reference to many of the patriot and pro-constitution Internet radio networks that have been formed. It also mentions that homegrown terrorists span all ages and races indicating that the Congress is stating that everyone is a potential terrorist. Even worse is that Congress states in their findings that they should look at draconian police states like Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom as models to defeat homegrown terrorists. Literally, these findings of Congress fall right in line with the growing patriot community.
The biggest joke of all is that this section also says that any measure to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism should not violate the constitutional rights of citizens. However, the definition of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as they are defined in section 899A are themselves unconstitutional. The Constitution does not allow the government to arrest people for thought crimes, so any promises not to violate the constitutional rights of citizens are already broken by their own definitions. "
Link: http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=4682
Just as I thought.
Sounds like a Police State in the making to me. We are all potential terrorists and must be treated as such. Freedom ring.
This sounds exactly like the letter I received.
This is basically a form letter excusing our (ahem) representatives' and senators' unconstitutional behavior - basically expecting us to be so stupid as to believe their garbage. I got letters just like this from my senators and congressman on a number of issues, including this one.
Hey, congresspeople, I'M NOT BUYING IT!!! So please stop wasting our time with "comfort" letters.
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"It is not the abuse of power, it is the power to abuse."
- Michael Cloud, Libertarian
So...
"The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act includes provisions prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security's efforts from violating civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents."
So, your rights are still guaranteed so long as the Government doesn't see you as a potential terrorist [which by this legislation's admission includes anyone making a logical argument from fact in order to promote social, religious, or political change = anyone using their brain to think!].
They hate us for our freedom. Thank God the government is here to take it away!
so munipulative
so munipulative
T.
absolute double speak
he speaks of protecting civil rights while this bill takes it ALL away!! Where's my BARF bag!!!!
This is WORSE than Patriot Act/ homeland security act. It is actually EXPANDING the powers of the fed........ HELLO Obama you can't fool us!!
I'll pass on that type of "protection"