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Staged Debate

Submitted by tangledupblues on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 20:28

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This debate is obviously staged. Anyone who knows that anyone can get into a debate would know there would be support of non interventionism.

Staged or they found all 30% of people who aren't against war

Submitted by LeeJunFan on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:37. Permalink

Like you said, RP got applause for those same comments at the other debates, I'm more inclined to believe that the audience was stacked as opposed to them being that opposite of the rest of the people in this country.

What i don't understand is

Submitted by jwbjerk on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:13. Permalink

What i don't understand is why Huckabee is suddenly treated as a top-tier (or nearly top-tier) candidate?

Certainly the Values Voter Conference was a boost for him, but that in no way overrides Dr. Paul's record in strawpolls. And in current finances Huckabee is nothing compared to RP.

I didn't count, but it seemed that Huckabee got more questions to answer than RP. They did interview him after the "big 4" but before RP.

Question totals

Submitted by marlow44 on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:56. Permalink

It was announced at the beginning that each candidate would be given one minute to answer each question and thirty seconds to respond. I totaled the number of questions and the estimated time total given to each candidate based on these stated rules. Of course all the candidates exceeded their time limit so the time total I have is not accurate. Nontheless, here are the totals I counted. (It is possible my Romney total is understated by thirty seconds to a minute as I was not sure on a couple questions whether his alloted response was suppossed to be one minute or thirty seconds.

QUESTI0NS SPEAKING TIME (minutes)

Giuliani ------------------------------ 10 9
Romney ----------------------------- 10 8.5
Thompson -------------------------- 8 8
McCain ------------------------------ 7 7
Paul ---------------------------------- 6 6
Huckabee -------------------------- 5 5
Hunter ------------------------------- 5 4.5
Tancredo --------------------------- 4 3.5

So the top four MSM candidates were alloted 35 questions and 32.5 minutes. The designated lower tier candidates received 20 questions and 19 minutes.

On a completely seperate topic - was that crowd handpicked by FOX, or what?

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Debate Tickets

Submitted by matt8200 on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:00. Permalink

They gave the candidates tickets to pass out for the debate as Ron Paul said in the post debate session. I'm sure they didn't give him very many.

1000

Submitted by Orwig on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:07. Permalink

He stated in the post debate interview that they gave him 1000 tickets but we dont know yet how many tickets they gave the other canidates.

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Nope, this is not what he said...

Submitted by Morpheus on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:20. Permalink

I recorded it and was just listening to it and he actually said he didn't have 1000 tickets and if he had 2000 tickets he'd fill that audience. They didn't give him any tickets. Did they give the others any?

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Knowing FOX

Submitted by skyliner727 on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:50. Permalink

Knowing FOX, we can be assured the debate was staged to some degree but to be honest Ron didn't come across very well. He looked tired and gaunt and didn't show too much enthusiasm. I worry he is pushing himself too hard for a man his age. Lets not let our love for Dr Paul cloud our judgment when he doesn't always come across as well as we would like him to.

Angry?

Submitted by Orwig on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:06. Permalink

Ron did seem... I dont know... a little angry maybe. He could have smiled a little more. I mean... this is politics. But on the same hand, this isnt a game, and the others seemed like they were more interested in getting laughs then establishing a point of view.

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yes Orwig

Submitted by Bob W on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:17. Permalink

Ron is not the funniest guy (does have great sense of humor), is not the best speech maker, but he is the smartest, most informed, and a million miles away from all others when it comes to honesty.

Huckabee probably won if based on best speaker, but Ron blew them all away as usual with his issues and honesty. They did not ask to text vote the winner of the best liar/speech maker. They asked who won the debate...and we told them.

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Ron's Performance

Submitted by John Windsor on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:56. Permalink

I agree, he didn't handle the first question (gay marriage) the best. He fumbled and bumbled, trying to formulate a concise answer to the question. But as the debate proceeded, he "warmed to his theme," saving the best for last, as always. And going by the poll results, it looks like he hit another home run!

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I noticed manipulation at least on 3 occasions

Submitted by Morpheus on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:39. Permalink

1. The so-called University of Florida people (only older people, not one single student I could identify or who spoke out). When asked about a show of hands for Giuliani I only counted 3 people and the commentator said Giuliani had a clear win on that audience.

2. Some of the applauses for Giuliani and others were coming from the back. The camera did a sweep of the middle to the front rows and almost NO ONE was clapping. And in several other occasions I noticed a marked difference in applause volume. Not for RP. And I did not see who was booing him. I bet it was the same group in the back.

3. When the Universtity people was back rith atfer the last poll giving RP 35%, they had a no show for RP and a majority of hands for Giuliani? Were they coached? I thought it was flagrant.

The important thing is that he's gaining momentum. GO RON PAUL GO!!!

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Agreed

Submitted by Orwig on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:34. Permalink

Are we to believe that only Ron Paul had views during the debate that others don’t agree with. Even after Ron Paul got the highest poll rating for the debate.

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Federal Slave

Wait.

Submitted by Snackface on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 20:40. Permalink

Just because he got booed excessively doesn't mean it's staged. We don't need to jump to conclusions whenever something goes opposite of our wishes.

jumping to conclusions?

Submitted by wortguy on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:55. Permalink

I dont think we are making concusive statements - we are discussing amongst ourselves. We are not going to go to work tomorrow and tell our neocon friends that the BOOING was staged.

But maybe it was - and we need to think these things through and be ready and prepared and keen to what we may be up against.
We are all part of this campaign, and we should all be thinking critically, outside the box like so much of what I see on this site and other forums. Don't discourage that!

You are right. I am just

Submitted by Snackface on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 22:03. Permalink

You are right.

I am just not used to acting like some drug dealer's starved pit bull, barking at everything that might have a slight chance of movement.

It's just that we can't offer any sort of proof. But I guess we can encourage investigation and exposure.

You are right, though. (I am not being sarcastic.)

Certainly questionable...

Submitted by TheoryUS on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:52. Permalink

If you get great applause for saying something at two previous debates and then booed at another for saying the same thing that at least suggests something is up. Fox isn't exactly on the up and up with politics.

On the other hand I know that changing our foreign policy could help solve a load of problems but I think RP needs to stop eluding to it with nearly every single question he's asked. I just don't think the average person can put the pieces together.

Certainly questionable...

Submitted by TheoryUS on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 21:50. Permalink

If you get great applause for saying something at two previous debates and then booed at another for saying the same thing that at least suggests something is up.