The REAL Reason for Going to War with Iraq???
Submitted by dreampipe on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 12:48
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html
Of course, at the time (2001-2004) I always knew the war was for oil, but I didn't fully understand why. Now, after reading this, the picture becomes more clear, but the lens through which I see the grave impending financial circumstance is still a bit filmy and cruddy. Could one or some of you DPers help apply a solvent?
What does this article from 2004 say about the state of the USDollar and Oil today? I'm still learning, someone give a brief lecture? Foster discussion? Help a young, new Austrian Economist understand the current and historical implications... THANKS!!!!
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Why not drill in Alaska??? I would really like to know....
The simplest answer I can think of is that we already control Alaska...their is nothing to conquer.
And don't give me the "it will hurt the environment speech"!
How will drilling a big hole in the middle of nowhere kiil trees or deplete the ozone. Surely there are steps that can be taken to ensure a clean, tidy job
Alaska is said to be the last resort for reserves in emergency situations.....is $103 a barrel crude oil not a friggin emergency??????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does everyone not realize that oil was only around $8 a barrel 15 years ago???
This is really just getting ridiculous. I say go drill in Alaska, and anywhere else that doesn't disturb to many trees or wildlife...God forbid. It's the ARTIC!!!!
You know what....Come drill in my back yard if you want to. I have a damn tree that I am tired of trimming anyway that would make a perfect spot for the drill bit. I don't even want any money. Just gasoline at $.99 a gallon again, so I can pay my ever increasing property tax and homeowners insurance here in Florida that has risen over 100% the last 3-years, as property values continue to plummet.
Other than that...I'm happy...LOL
Alaskan Oil: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis - Part 1 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk&feature=related
Alaska oil. . . .
Unfortunately, more than 80% of the oil drilled in Alaska is shipped to Japan through the Port of Valdez. This is what I was told by some workers at the dock 10 years ago. Remember, that is where the big oil spill happened. I have heard numerous times from different sources that there is enough untapped oil in northern Alaska to supply the US for more than 200 years. Going to war "for oil" is only another excuse for control.
"Nothing is as it appears; everything is smoke and mirrors"
OIL
OIL
Oil and petrodollars.
Fortune Favors the Bold
Fortune Favors the Bold
My opinion
At least the main reason we went to Iraq was so Bush could avenge Saddam's attempt to assassinate Bush 1..But then he left it get totally out of hand
Oil and the control of it is
Oil and the control of it is the main reason, I think, but what you say does have something to do with it also.
Did you see the mosaic in front of some Baghdad hotel w/ Bush #1'a picture on it so people would walk on it every day?
My question is...
Could we have unleashed the most awesome military machine on earth on a third world country with no hope of really injuring us because of an insult from a dictator we supplied arms and weapons to and was now in disfavor?
Did our downing of an Iraqi civilian influence that situation in any way.
I believe a US Navy ship was brought under fire accidentally by the Iragi's at that time as well.
YES
I think GWB ego is that Huge...I don't think this moron even gave the other crap a second thought or the other consequences involved..I don't think George is that bright..Cheney probably nudged him without telling him his actual motives..Add that to the fact that GWB thought it would be a cake walk and the insanity was born
This Makes Alot Of Sense To Me!
Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis - Part 1 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk&feature=related
Someone on Daily Paul turned me on to this!
Includes:
Alaskan oil: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
Henry Kissinger, Our relationship with Saudi Arabia: Part 4
Iraq and Iran, no agreement: Part 4
Why Iraq invaded Kuwait: Part 4
Why we invaded Iraq x two
Why Iran is next
Why its about oil
Founding Fathers suffering: Last segment of Part 8
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psst: http://www.americanpatrol.com/
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If this is the case, then
why did Greenspan tell the Gulf States, the way to stop their escalating inflation would be to drop the dollar? This could cause a spiral effect which would make the dollar useless. Is this the plan? Why would he tell them this? http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FC515689-75CC-4121-BD...
someone knows
check this out it may help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LEljS3ib84&feature=related we get what we paid for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo .. after this you will be ready for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCKMTo210k
things are going on.
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.
If we want to bring down our
If we want to bring down our inflated federal government, all we have to do is spread the information about the Federal Reserve and how our money is a worthless piece of junk.
Once the majority of people realize these truths, they will demand a sound currency. Once we have non-centralized, gold-backed currency, we'll win.
This entire Revolution should really concentrate only on the illegal Federal Reserve and their ability to print money out of thin air.
Oh and yes, this article is extremely well written and very informative.
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oil & freedom
We are learning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN6TV1ochKw there are more things to learn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7fd5AL1gEw&feature=related ........the best is yet to come
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.
It seems to me that oil and
It seems to me that oil and the military industrial complex both might be reasons for the Iraq war.
The military industrial complex makes an incredible amount of money when there is war or in preparation for wars. One of our past presidents warned us about the military industrial complex.
Regarding oil, having the US dollar be the reserve currency of oil makes it necessary for all oil purchasing nations to hold US dollars so that they will be able to purchase oil. All those nations holding so many dollars helps to keep the value of the dollar high, or at least higher than it would be without (supply/demand, etc). When countries around the world begin abandoning the dollar for other currencies that they can purchase oil with it will have a very serious negative impact on the value of the dollar. War with Iraq helps to prevent the change to other currencies for oil sales... or rather it is merely delaying the inevitable.
That also is likely to be one of the reasons why the US for a while was so interested in carrying out "preemptive strikes" against Iran. The potential for war with Iran continues even now. It was very close back in early January, which appeared to be a false flag event and interestingly was the day of or the day prior to the NH primaries. Also think of those 4 or 5 underwater Internet/communication lines that were cut all within the same week or so -- which was right around the time that the Iranian oil bourse(marketplace) was to start.
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From what I have seen.......
and heard,........and from reliable sources from the media (yes sometimes they have reported the truth in the past), the cold war really hasn't went away. Afghanistan, for example, was a country that Russia tried to invade, but failed!!!! Why? Because our CIA intervened and gave millions to Al Qaeda, to repel Russia, and we won, well, Radical Islam won. Gulf War lead us to Kuwait, we liberated it, and Iraq was pissed. We wanted Kuwait because we can be that closer to put our missile defense systems in place ( I wonder why) Then, in the Iraq war (OIF I for you military types out there) we went out and kicked Iraq's butt and now we will have a military base, or more, but yet why? Just in case Russia acts up. We are closer, we could move ground troops in, and have our Ships by that area! Russia took offense to this, claiming we have broken our own laws about invading other countries, except we masked it with terrorism, in turn, all the rich freaks in the US and abroad can claim land and what not through the banks and in turn give them freedom, while we take there land. Russia would have launched missiles and would have attacked us if it was just for oil. Thank our sneaky business men who masked the take over with liberation of the people, to bring democracy, and to end a tyrannical era.
Don't trust the men who tell you what to do, but trust those who work beside you.
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
All of the above... er and i
All of the above... er and i guess below.
Often times in my own decision making process i count the many things that weigh in on my decision. If there aren't enough reasons to provoke action then nothing happens. If there are many things that might provoke action i may still not act right away if the intensity isn't too much to bear. If i can ever kill two birds with one stone i will take advantage of it while the opportunity exists.
Try to pin any of it on one thing and you will live a life of contention with those who swear it's this other thing.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Wow!
This is outstanding. You know, it makes me once again want to thank Ron Paul and all you guys here for the knowledge I have received. A year ago I would not have had any idea what this was about but reading it now I fully understand it. The reason is simply listening to Ron Paul speak these words often and having you guys debate these same issues here. It is incredible how accurate this essay was. Anyway, everyone should check it out.
Freedom!
z brizinski said it best
We must not let anyone from euraisa gain access to the middle east reserves or that group would challenge global hemogy (empire,colonialism,IMPERIALISM)not excact words but the message is loud and clear! If we are challenged we would lose! stop the enemies in there tracks!nwo is very slick!
Here is why we are in Iraq
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Note the cast of characters at the bottom - I've highligted a few.
PNAC: Statement of Principles (excerpts)
We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.
We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.
Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Elliott Abrams;Gary Bauer;William J. Bennett;Jeb Bush;Dick Cheney;Eliot A. Cohen;Midge Decter;Paula Dobriansky;Steve Forbes;Aaron Friedberg;Francis Fukuyama; Frank Gaffney;Fred C. Ikle;Donald Kagan;Zalmay Khalilzad;I.Lewis Libby; Norman Podhoretz;Dan Quayle;Peter W. Rodman;Stephen P. Rosen; Henry S. Rowen;Donald Rumsfeld;Vin Weber;George Weigel; Paul Wolfowitz
http://www.newamericancentury.org/st...principles.htm
And this is food for thought (from PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses):
The effects of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence. The United States enjoys every prospect of leading this transformation. Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf
“The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.” Ron Paul - The Revolution
The war with Iraq
with oil as the currency, is a continuation of the drive by the Elite to establish their world empire. John Perkins in his 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' gives a good insight of how they are going about it.
Also videos on youtube available where Perkins gives a very impressive lecture.
Uncovered the whole truth
about the war in Iraq.
Both Video google and Youtube have several documentaries by that name. You might find those of interest.
Neocon, CFR
The majority of the people listed above are neocons and in the CFR.
“The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.” Ron Paul - The Revolution
Real reason!
American Zionists fooled the Bush administration by playing with the extremist and racist republican emotions. This war was fought for Israel.
I disagree. The war was
I disagree. The war was fought for the U.S. currency.
The bankers can't allow other countries to sell oil in any other currency but oil.
Israel is used by America to threaten the Arab countries in not allowing them to sell their oil in other currencies but the U.S. dollar.
An Empire is only as good as its currency and military. Period.
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In order of importance ....
#1 OIL and Petro-dollar
big gap here
#2 Military bases between Iran and Israel
#3 Heroin so that CIA can make profits
I disagree
They are hiding behind the war for oil. The article adds currency to the above. Well, oil is traded with currency thus, this is not a stretch.
I say that the invasion of Afghanistan was to stabilize the heroin trade and keep it in the hands of those whom are friendly with the status quo.
Afghan heroin production is $500,000,000 or 1/3 of worldwide output.
Having studied all of this for a long time, I have conclusions. You do not have to agree with them.
In a more abstract sense, war, in and of itself , is their goal. Fear, death and destruction is their goal. Shock and awe is their goal. Destabilizing regions is their goal. Installing US military base, after military base is their goal (over 800 world wide).
The ultimate goal is one world government. This can only be achieved with a group of conditions. One of those conditions is, the combination of war, fear, destruction and instability.
An oil war is an excellent thing to hide behind when you are simply interested in war.
Over 350,000 veterans of both gulf wars are on disability with the VA. Much through low level radiation poisoning (tons of DU was used throughout both wars). 17% of this group has committed suicide.
Anyone who leaves our movement now has a hell of a lot of nerve walking out on these young men and women.
They already control the 90% of the oil and the currencies. They want war.
Oil is a superb excuse....but like all the other information they"leak" it is a lie.
Unify
agree
War is used for depopulation and financial profit, oil and drugs are a nice benefit as well. 90% of the casualties in Iraq are civilians. This is not war, it's planned GENOCIDE. It covers many evils. Use common sense.
Peace and light
Peace and light
One Afternoon in 1973 in my Econ 101 Class
I remember to this day one afternoon in my Econ 101 class, the one that used a textbook written by the great Milton Friedman, my economics professor took an hour to explain American history and all the wars in terms of economics.
Wow.
History never made so much sense. It became absolutely clear that wars are not started and fought without the economic incentive to do so. And they certainly can't continue without cost.
I became a much better voter after that.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
Please Elaborate!
You've piqued my interest... Please elaborate! I'd love a synopsis of that history lecture, if you're able to recall. Which wars, what were the incentives?
Thanks