U.S. Terror Watch List Surpasses 900,000 Names, ACLU Estimates
sad but true
from: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/us-terror-watch.html
"The government's centralized terrorist watch list passed the 900,000 name mark this month, according to the ACLU, which estimated the new total by relying on Congressional testimony from the fall that the sprawling list was growing by 20,000 names a month.
The report the ACLU relied on to create its Watch List Counter included the following chart demonstrating the clear growth trajectory of the nation's centralized watch lists over the last several years.
The Terrorist Screening Center runs the list, accepting nominations of new names from a large range of government agencies.
Agencies use the watch list to check persons seeking visas, traveler entering or leaving the country, domestic airline passengers and persons stopped by state, local or federal law enforcement.
Most of the positive matches on the list came from police routinely checking persons, such as speeding motorists, according to the Government Accountability Office's report (.pdf). The number of individuals on the list is likely significantly less than 900,000, since the name count includes aliases.
Persons on the list are coded with varying suspected threat levels, so simply being on the watch list doesn't mean one will be arrested when say a person on the list pulled over for speeding. In fact, being on list isn't even enough to ensure that a person is denied a visa or entry into the country, according to the report.
The Transportation Security Agency exports two subsets of the list -- the no-fly and selectee lists -- which airlines use to decide who can get a boarding pass and who has to get hand-searched. The TSA continues to work on a much-delayed project now known as Secure Flight that would have the TSA perform the name checks in advance of a domestic flight, in an effort to reduce the number of falsely flagged travelers. Those affected over the last 7 years include many David Nelsons, a high-ranking nun, and federal employees with security clearances.
If the ACLU's math is correct, the list should pass the million name mark sometime in early July.
UPDATE: Terrorist Screening Center spokesman Chad Kolton dropped a long response in the comments, saying that the list is useful, contains actually more like 300,000 people due to aliases and that only some 5 percent -- approximately 15,000, are U.S. persons.
[T]he Terrorist Screening Database (TSDB) is now the world’s most comprehensive and, importantly, widely-shared list of known and suspected terrorists. The names it includes are there because of credible information developed by our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, or those of our foreign partners. While the vast majority of people in it likely will never attempt to enter the United States, the TSDB gives our allies, consular officers, airlines, and border screening agencies the ability to make an informed decision about granting admission to the U.S.
[...] We work hard to ensure that the list remains effective even as it grows. The government does its best to populate the TSDB with the identities of only those who are known or appropriately suspected of being involved in terrorism. In addition, TSC employees constantly review the database to remove the identities of those who have been cleared of any suspicion of engaging in terrorist activity. During fiscal year 2007 alone, TSC employees removed over 100,000 records from the database of individuals that had been cleared of having any nexus to terrorism. [...]
This list helps protect Americans. We're always at work to do it in the most effective, least intrusive way we can, adhering to our important Constitutional principles in the process.
THREAT LEVEL confirmed that this was Kolton, and sent some further questions about the list and its operations to him. Due to some very reasonable extenuating circumstances, Kolton can't immediately answer, but THREAT LEVEL will bring you more in 10 days or so.
from: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/us-terror-watch.html





















A seat reserved for you
A seat reserved for you and anyone on Daily Paul who dares mention the Constitution. They will be death camps folks.
Run now for Congress; think if we had 400 pro Constitution folks running. Dems and Reps are sold out to CFR agenda (One World Government). This is our last free election; not a time for arm chair patriots. .
These folks are now in the open -- brazen forthright words of talking over and giving us a One World Government. We have lost so many personal freedoms over the last 8 years; God help us please; we can't have another 8 like these; though unless we start running for Congress -- the corrupt shall lead the blind.
Read former congressman rDaniel Hamburg's article in SF newspaper to see what is going on; pubed two weeks ago.
The Sonstitution hangs by a thread shall we watch the last threads be cut; run for Congress.
Let's start at the top:
Any public servant who attempts to circumvent or ignore the Constitution is a primary threat, "terrorist" or not, to every man, woman or child in this country and should be detained until "We the People" try and prosecute them for sedition and the disolution of our republican form of government.
Help
I thought I read somewhere that the ACLU was connected with CFR, the Trilateral commision, The Rockefellers, The Bilderbergs, elitist mess. That they create more issues regarding civil liberties, than resolving and protecting? I pulled this quote from wikipedia:
"Foundations
The ACLU and its affiliated tax-exempt foundation receive annual support from the Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Field, Tides, Gill, Arcus, Horizons, and other foundations.[21] "
Are the helping the cause or are they undermining it? I just want some clarification.
hard to say
Fortune Favors the Bold
The ACLU leadership may be corrupt, but most of the ACLU lawyers are pretty sincere. They have been pretty consistent in taking on tough stuff that other orginizations have been afraid to touch. They have challenged most of Bush's police state crap.
Fortune Favors the Bold
I do not know
But those questions I have been asking myself too; the battles I see them fighting are petty, the ones I see that they do not are major. Perhaps now they took on one that was pretty important, but the Judge ruled against them. The fix was in it seems.
I figure if they are not with us; they must be against us. Otherwise why not Endorse Ron Paul? I even started questioning the NRA, are they really doing all they can?
NRA
I've heard rumors that the NRA is in not what it is supposed to be. Check out gunowners.org I read somewhere that Dr Paul is a member of them, not NRA.
I wonder
about the NRA. Where better to find a compiled database of this nations diehard gun owners? After the Veterans Disarmerment Act, and with the quote of Diane Fienstien, and how she thought the bill would be a cakewalk ( the first time around ) and how she had the support of the NRA! Yes, I said support!! My stance on the NRA changed a bit. There is also a interesting video on youtube, called, NRA pisses on second amendment. Check it out.
Actually, the correct number on the list is
350 million
LOL...that was good
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any way to know if one is on the list?
How can you know until you fly? What can you do about it if you are on? 1 million is about 1 out of 20 or 1 out of 30 American adults, isn't it?
Geez what will happen when 1 out of 10 is on that list? When will people wake up???
I never thought I would say this but
I'm glad there is such a thing as the ACLU
Previously known as DCALIFANO
Previously known as DCALIFANO
ACLU should be endorsing Ron PAUL
They sent me a donation request, I wrote on the form; I will when you endorse Ron Paul. I am still waiting.
I own 3 different pocket
I own 3 different pocket constitutions, so I'm probably on there 3 times.
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Liberty for Dummies
it is an extermination list,not a watchlist.
use your brains people, a list that big is an extermination list. It is too big of a list to be effective in a "war on terror", but have no doubt, it is an extermination list.
"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul
What a Bunch of Clowns!
Terrorism begins at home. The real forces of the terrorist threat are members of the Council on Foreign Relations. They are the ones who brought terrorism to our shores. They are the ones who made us the target of the terrorists.
Since our foreign policy is written by members of the CFR, for the benefit of members of the CFR, and since it is our foreign policy that has encouraged the terrorists to attack us, it is they who should be scrutinized. Because of them, we are losing our civil rights.
looks like they got a hold of the Ron Paul contribution list
Amazing, they are working fast for a federal agency.
ha!
I was just on the ACLU site looking at the same thing...
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison