Are Frank Luntz's focus groups a fraud?

I was going to post this in a comment, but I think it deserves its own article here. I think it will make you feel justified to know that when I participated in the Luntz focus group on September 5th, I was totally disgusted with the way Luntz behaved. To me the outcome was a total fraud. There were two other Paul supporters there, 10% of the group, and one of them I know agreed firsthand what I am talking about.

First this: Until I was banned for 'trolling' a few minutes ago, I was posting as NHGOPer on the 'Free Republic' website. Please see my responses to the person who is bragging that he made this comment on television and even thanked Luntz for airing it. I simply cited Ron's superb conservative record, a video proving that Bush ran on non-interventionism, and a link to The Spoof's take on this guy.

I also OUTED Luntz because in my focus group, I told how Luntz censored my comments about McCain being a nutcase (without using those exact words) as well as all my other comments about the credibility of the so-called 'front-runners'. Luntz even told me he would do this, right from the start, and even though he continued to allow me to comment, he moved up the blonde next to me who said good things that he liked. So my comments were not aired while this fat guy's comments were, because Luntz simply finds the ones who say what he likes. Apparently these facts were too much for the moderator of Free Republic's website to bear and after I posted the link to Bush's campaign speech, I got the banned message. However the information is still there to read...

I saw first hand what a fraud Luntz is but I never wrote an article about it because I feared the 'blowback' would be too much for him to handle. When McCain made his mini-speech about honoring our soldiers, he manipulated people into saying McCain was a winner, when really all they were doing was agreeing to this principle. I mean it was like saying 'do you like puppy dogs and candy'. It was not something anyone would disagree with, yet it did NOT mean McCain 'won' the debate. Luntz twisted it into that. He even got one of the Paul supporters (that I did not know beforehand) to say she liked what he said. So she was included in the bunch that supposedly said McCain won! Yet I hardly think she changed her mind to support to McCain just because of his nice little talk on honoring our soldiers.

But now Luntz has been so blatant he's outed himself.

I am going to write to FOX and state that I have proof that Luntz is unduly influencing his focus group, censoring some comments, while promoting others, and worse yet, encouraging people to trash another Republican. I will demand he be fired.

Fact: In my group, he CLEARLY STEERED THEM IN THE DIRECTION THAT IT WAS OK TO TRASH RON PAUL and he put those people who dared say bad things about Paul, on air, while censoring every single one of my comments once he found out I was a Paul supporter. You have my word on that.

Is FRANK LUNTZ a FRAUD? You be the judge.

And now the world can know what goes on in these 'focus groups'. The people on Free Republic should too.

Resource: Save this link to share with people who can't imagine that Ron's foreign policy is the same as Bush's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-FiXTgKFo

Video of person Luntz encouraged: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxT8wWxPRk

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It Seems Nobody Noticed......Fox Racism!

Since everyone seems to be focusing on "Blacks," I am absolutely shocked that there has been no mention as to why Zionist Fox News had only one "black" on Frank Duntz's stacked Focus Group during the obviously biased and comical "fair & balanced" debate.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/45000.html

Per the link above (2006 US Census data): SC is 29% black

The guy with the bad hair job told us there were 28 people in the "focus group." Of which there was 1 black lady who followed orders well.

That is 3.6% "black" content in the "focus group" as opposed to 29% blacks in the State! To be in line with the populace, one would expect around 8 black individuals. So perhaps they need to change to "Unfair & Unbalanced" as they aim the cross-hairs on the "racist" Ron Paul. Absolutely hypocritical!

Has Frank Luntz changed his tune???

Or is he just saying anything to get in an article???

from:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rep.-ron-paul-plans-ad-b...

Last paragraph...

“[GOP pollster] Frank Luntz has said on TV that the GOP base has shrunk from 34 percent to 30 percent of the voting population, driven by the war issue,” said Rick. “When your base shrinks it’s extremely damaging to the party. Ron is the only candidate who can bring those people back.” (Emphasis mine)

FCC or ?

I don't know if the FCC has jurisdiction. Fix News is not broadcast, it's cable.

But you could try complaining to your cable company.

I say, call them up and tell them what you want: warning labels on the Faux News channel "contains simulated content inappropriate for human consumption."

IMissLiberty

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Funny you should ask...

Posted a Penn + Teller Part of an Episode that also featured Mr.Luntz
http://dailypaul.com/node/4146

frank luntz

lol love seeing that frank klutz oops i meen luntz hand picked his tv audience! what a dope... 1 day later the cat is out of the bag.. lie some more luntz you idiot! hand picked your studio audience and i thought fox was fair and balanced!!! NOT! what a joke!
RON PAUL IN 08!

If you haven't read these...

I posted a few interesting links about Frank Putz last month after the previous FIX debate:

http://ronpaul2008nyc.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/pollster-trol...

This little troll was censured by the National Council on Public Polls, reprimanded by the American Association for Public Opinion Research, and worked for... Rudy! (Surprise, anyone?)

Yes because Ron Paul Supporters support use of federal agencies

to force outcomes only when it suits them?

He was obviously pulling for

He was obviously pulling for guiliani, and selected that council accordingly, i saw a bunch of idiots, and a woman with scary eyes that liked guiliani because he is, "strong".

Ron Paul 08

Ron Paul 08

She scared me, too

Would she have been so "for" him if he was just as strong, but didn't look like her?

Okay, my words aren't so dramatic, but something about her chilled me to the bone - like she is the symbol for all the people who will stand by and let their neighbors get marched off to internment camps - I even had this vision of how surprised she would look when her turn came.

Defend Liberty!

There's a total conflict of

There's a total conflict of interest here. Luntz is Jewish and Paul advocates no foreign aide for Israel.
I believe he's more than a little biased, and it shows, alot.

http://www.nndb.com/people/688/000051535/

Nah

I doubt that has anything to do with it. It's more that these people are so steeped in the left right paradigm, they feel the need to crush anyone who deviates from that pattern.

If it doesn't fit the stereotype, it must go.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Notify the FCC

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Hi Jane - I think if a network is deliberately engaging in false, manipulative or deceptive practices, via its affiliates, there might be some redress at the FCC. You witnessed this stuff first-hand and you might want to lodge a formal complaint.

The FCC licenses stations to broadcast "in the public, interest, convenience and necessity" (not just public interest). For any station to mislead its viewers with propaganda does not fall within "public necessity." This is for stations, by the way, and not for networks.

Here is where viewers can have an impact for any Fox affiliate, or for any station. You can challenge their license renewal! Funny I never though about this before, but it does have teeth. I think I will post a blog on this, since it is a little-known tactic that might possibly have some teeth.

Remember the FCC is a government agency, and they do not like pesky complaints. But yet, they are also watchdogs so you might get somewhere.

Here is the link

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This is worth exploring.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/renewal.html

Petition the FCC

Yes Zen, we should petition the FCC to disallow their license renewal. The FCC is probably bought by them though.

Bob W., Naples, FL

Hope you succeed

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This is a completely legitimate weapon in the war against disinformation. The FCC, as a government agency, is held accountable for its actions. I don't think they can be bought, though no doubt the Commissioner of the FCC might be from the industry (the way the FDA commissioner is from the pharamaceutical industry)

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/renewal.html

This link (also above) shows when the various states licenses come up for renewal. If you think that the FCC should be advised of certain facts pertaining to a broadcaster, then that's the site!

Many have called this a bad idea. I, however, like it enormously.

I was under the impression

I was under the impression that the focus group was supposed to be composed of people who were "undecided" as to who they supported. The whole point of such a focus group would be to see how the debate swayed undecided voters.

If you went into the debate already committed to Dr Paul, doesn't that disqualify your participation, just as it would someone who was already dedicated to Mitt Romney or John McCain?

If it was then why would he

If it was then why would he ask people up to two times whether or not they were undecided? That wouldn't make any sense.

Nope

Apparently not. The first thing we were asked to do was to pick a favorite.
I protested loudly, stating that we were supposed to come in here undecided.
Luntz insisted I change my sheet to show who I favored and made me tell in front of all. I was pleased that 2 others out of the 29 were also Paul supporters.

It would seem to me very tough to find people interested enough in doing something like this who aren't at least leaning toward someone.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

When they asked if Ron Paul

When they asked if Ron Paul won the debate, I didn't see any hands go up. Did you or the other two Ron Paul supporters raise their hands? Where were you (and they) oriented in the room?

Sorry for the confusion

I was at the September 5th debate and three of us liked Ron Paul and said so.
Luntz was not as adamant there, as he was in this debate, but he still made snide remarks about psychiatrist'.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

leaning is one thing

committed is another. I may have been wrong, but I was under the impression that each time they did this focus group thing, it was supposed to be people with open minds who were genuinely undecided.

There would be little point, IMHO to focus group a bunch of people who already KNEW who they wanted -- makes the entire exercise a complete waste of time. Heh, could be your point as well!

I've personally worked in focus groups and ...

I've personally worked in focus groups for multi million dollar ad campaigns. I have controlled the computer and dial testing systems. I also majored in marketing in college. These focus groups are not scientific. And furthermore they can be easily manipulated. Plus there is group think produced every time.

Focus groups are created and run by businesses and their business partners so that they can give the client the illusion that they can make an educated decision about spending hundreds or thousands or millions on a marketing message.

Always remember the fallacy of compostition: A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some (or even every) part of the whole. For example: "This fragment of metal cannot be broken with a hammer, therefore the machine of which it is a part cannot be broken with a hammer." This is clearly fallacious, because many machines can be broken into their constituent parts without any of those parts being breakable.

Luntz' focus group may even be better classified as a hasty generalization, in which an unwarranted inference is made from a statement about a sample to a statement about the population from which it is drawn.

'They aren't manipulation; they're scientific' <-- F. Luntz

Here it is: YouTube video

This is NOT work safe unless you are in a pretty 'laissez-faire" work environment, or have headphones. Foul language, including the F-bomb are pretty regular.

The fun about Luntz starts at 2:37 in. What you all knew to be true and why scientific polls, to quote Penn & Teller, are Bull$hit.

Peace and freedom in 2008!

good ole' frank

Frank was censured in 2000 by the National Council on Public Polls for skewing results. He is a known FRAUD. That is why he works for FOX. If they would give OLIVER NORTH ( Mr. Iran-Contra ) a job they would give any corrupt person a job. Frank should never be taken seriously.

Luntz = fraud

Last night's antics were a hilarious (if not in such an important context) example of a would-be mind controller desperately plying his wares to an increasingly skeptical audience. I especially loved the bit where he turned to his Chosen Ones and asked them if any of them thought Ron won, and then when none raised their hand, said something like "I think that tells us quite a bit about these text poll results." I looked at the faces of the Chosen Ones as well as Frank's face and what I saw was *fear*. None were laughing. All were grim. I don't know exactly what was going on there, but those people were not happy.

Frank Luntz and his bogus polls are part of the Establishment mind control cult of the 20th Century; it's a very good thing we are flushing them away now along with the rest of the so-called "elite". Epect their behavior to get increasingly desperate and bizarre as more Americans wake up.

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What is begun in anger, ends in shame.

this story broke a few months ago...

He's been in trouble in the past for misrepresenting facts. I think that makes him a liar. Fox news doesn't let that get in the way, though.

There was a 'plant' from the

There was a 'plant' from the radical right 'Free Republic' website among the focus group...he was the one that referred to Dr. Paul as 'certifiably insane'. They now have a thread running at FR trying to tie Dr. Paul to Islam...now's THAT's "certifiable".

It was obvious from the pre-debate

When he posed the question "Is Hillary a Socialist?" and an overwhelming majority said yes. He followed up by asking them if that is really how they felt and most said yes still.

I can say alot of bad things about HRC, but she is not a socialist. Seriously, that is rhetoric, but the people in the room thought it was fact. It was obvious that everyone in the room never watched anything but FNC and were reciting the Hannity/Rush party line.

RE: Hillary is a socialist

Listen, if the focus group was right about one thing they were right about Hillary being a socialist.

socialist? NO elitist? YES

Which is worse? Trust me, we don't want anything to do with Hillary Clinton. We don't want anything to do with anyone in the CFR or that's been known to visit with the Bilderburg group. (She was an attendee while Bill was in office, and was an attendee in 2006)

Good for you!

I went to the blog that the guy posted last night, read it and then went to the Free Republic home page and could not believe my eyes! This website is obviously neo-con and almost to the extreme of that, nazi and fascism. On their website they call people against the war in Iraq "Anti-war protests are communist organized" and also they are "misguided terrorist supported leftists groups" This is pretty scary stuff and they organized right after 9-11.

I wanted to send this blog and website to the Washington Post but I realized that a blog is just "hear say" but I was wondering beings that you were actually part of the Luntz's focus group on Sept 5th would you not be a witness to his actual events? I just want in some way to get this out in the media and the Washington Post is the only paper that I would trust to actual print the truth. What do you think?

Trouble is..

Most anti-war protests ARE 'communist organized'. But those are just general agitators and that is not what Ron promotes. In fact, the campaign discourages marching in protests such as these.... Ron's policy does not preclude war or strong defense IF JUSTIFIED.

The commies just do it to take advantage of the unrest.

And no, I would NOT trust the WaPo in any way, shape or form!

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

right

I completely agree with you Jane

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Thanks for the answer

How sad that there is no television or newspaper that you can trust to tell the truth anymore.

About this whole issue..I have to apologize for stirring it up.

You know, I had planned to write an article about my experience back in September, but the whole issue was so controversial, I feared for the blowback on Luntz so I never did and just quietly fumed about it. But now that he's pulled this more blatant and public stunt, I felt the need to chime in about my own experience. I even told Mike that if it's causing too much of a stir he should delete it. I left it up to him. I have my own blog I can post it to, but you're right -- we have no papers we can trust anymore so posting on the internet is our only outlet.

But I do feel it's important that people know that:

1 - It was accepted that people were already favoring a candidate, so no, the Paul supporter didn't 'pull any crap'. We've seen proof that this guy who smeared Ron was a Fred Thompson supporter from way back from his posts on FR.

2 - Luntz favored people and let them speak more, actually told me he'd edit me out and did! Most of my comments were NOT about McCain's anger and sanity, but very deep and concerned with the fact that even if I could turn the dial for something that Mitt or Rudy said that I liked, the question is, can I believe them? He seemed only to want the superficial ----- i.e., did you like what they said, and did they 'look presidential' when they said it.

3 - He actually egged people on with incendiary remarks against Ron which got me furious, although he did not try to intimidate me as much because there were two others in my session. I'm sure even those who don't like Paul would vouch for this.

4 - He's leading viewers to believe he's doing some sort of unbiased polling where the facilitator of the poll remains neutral. This is HARDLY the case.

You know what was REALLY REALLY sad? Every one of the 29 people in my group felt that we should not be in the UN anymore because they are not doing any good, ineffective, not getting our money's worth, etc. Shocking! I said, the UN is DANGEROUS. These people had no clue that the UN is a non-governmental organization that should have no authority over us, but has us sign treaties that supercede our laws and constitution and that Ron Paul would be the only one to get us out. The public schools are just about run by the UN as it is now!

So I'm sorry for opening this can of worms but I was just so steamed that the first comment they aired was one trashing Paul -- then again I had seen all the evidence to know why.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Why are you apologizing?

You have nothing to apologize for. I totally agree with your article, just slightly disappointed you didn't take the opportunity to do it earlier. But you're making up for it now! :)

One of my favorite quotes:
“I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison quotes (American social Activist, Journalist and Abolitionist, 1805-1879)

Thanks for standing up. Pretty sure I would have blown a gasket, and waited for the 'live' crossover, and make some kind of shutdown of the proceedings. Lol. Easier said than done though. I can only imagine the pressure to conform in there, it would take ALOT of nerve to even sum up the courage to talk out against them all. Thanks again Jane.

Steaming

You can be sure by the end of the session I was so fuming you could see steam coming out of my ears. My friend John had to calm me down and talk to me out on the sidewalk before I could drive home. He said it was obvious to him that they are scared...especially after Ron won the debate with 33%..

I'm the Jezebel in the background shaking my head in disgust about 3:46 into it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g

And in this one (excuse the fact that it's a McCain supporter's file) you can see they moved up the bim...er blonde in the yellow up to the front with another guy because he liked what they were saying, and left me in the back, fuming once again because out of about 5 comments, all were never aired, as threatened. Two segments were aired, one that night and one on Fox and Friends the next morning. I am in the back on the right, long dark hair, white shirt, denim jacket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWQJbKBbr8w

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

frank has admitted this himself

showtime has a series called "bullshit" with Penn & teller . in the first season there was an episode called "numbers" where they did a piece on frank and his polls . in it frank admitted that he has a system set up so that when he does a poll he words things a certain way to get the answer he wants ..

Can we get video of this?

Anyone have video of this? Very interesting and informative to say the least!

The man looks nuts..

Well this should make you feel better. The guy who said it looks a bit nuts himself no? LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxT8wWxPRk

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Videos

Here is video of Bush's foreign policy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-FiXTgKFo

There was video of me relegated to the back of the room with none of my comments aired...because Luntz did not like me criticizing Rudy, Mitt or McCain.

I'm sure someone will post a video of the latest Luntz FUD from the fat guy as well...

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers