The John Birch Society, William F. Buckley and me...

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In the same way they have marginalized Dr. Paul: From the WSJ

Goldwater, the John Birch Society and Me
By WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY JR.
February 27, 2008

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120413132440097025.html?mod=...

In the mid-seventies when the ‘venerable’ Buckley emerged as a certifiable internationalist, my brother [who was attending one of the Claremont Colleges] and I attended a speaking engagement of Buckley's on their campus and had the opportunity to engage him as he walked up Claremont's Indian Hill Boulevard.

Through the John Birch Society's media, acknowledgement of Buckley's membership in the Council on Foreign Relations had revealed a great deal about the ‘Palm Beach plotters’ and recent op-ed pieces and I was determined to ask him about it.

Following his remarks, and as the usual political groupies lost interest, my brother and I saw our opportunity as we approached a corner stop: It was as if he had seen a ghost.

Exposed and vulnerable, he launched into a hyperbolic defense of his membership [apparently for the benefit of those apostles still walking with him] and as he realized that my brother and I had not ‘followed’ him across the street, the exposed and embarrassed aristocratic entertainer stopped, turned around and discovered two of his 'groupies' had remained behind at the curb with no interest in his explanation of membership in the CFR. We waited for his excoriation and it came from nearly across the street, “The trouble with you Birchers is that you are too simplistic.”

The trouble with Bill Buckley and his cadre of internationalists [living and dead] is that they have no respect for the simplicity of the Constitution. Robert Welch was an American patriot…

Leland Thomas Faegre
Lake Tahoe, Nevada

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In response to post below regarding JBS and racism

Black Leader: Democratic Party Architect of Racism
Monday, February 25, 2008 9:43 AM
By: Ronald Kessler

Frances Rice, chairman of the National Black Republican Association, describes the Democratic Party as the architect of modern day racism.

Rice, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and lawyer, says in an interview it was Republicans who pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress. Now, she says, Republicans stand for empowering blacks to help them out of poverty. In contrast, Rice says, the Democrats push to keep blacks dependent on government handouts and encourage them to see themselves as victims.

“The Democratic Party has built its power base on the backs of poor blacks, and they want to keep blacks poor, angry, and voting for Democrats,” Rice tells Newsmax. “Every election cycle they go into the black community and preach hatred against the Republican Party and get blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.”

In Rice’s view, “The Democrats fight every effort of Republicans to get blacks out of poverty because they know that once blacks become prosperous, the Democratic Party will lose its power base.”

Rice co-founded the National Black Republican Association in 2005 with the mission of returning African-Americans to their Republican Party roots. Because co-founder Andre Cadogan knew Newsmax CEO and Editor in Chief Chris Ruddy, the first meeting of the organization took place at Newsmax offices in West Palm Beach, Fla. The organization has grown from five members to over a thousand members. It publishes a quarterly glossy magazine — The Black Republican — and has a Web site: www.nbra.info.

Rice says the Democrats oppose giving blacks the opportunity to become wealthy through Social Security personal accounts and oppose efforts to reform Social Security, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because blacks on average have a five year shorter life expectancy.

Aligning themselves with special interests, Rice says the Democrats are “fighting school-choice opportunity scholarships that are designed to get black children out of failing schools, because the teacher’s unions wants to maintain control over buildings.”
Rice also cites widespread opposition by Democrats to the No Child Left Behind Act, which has lifted reading scores of black children but is reviled by teachers’ unions.

“Our philosophy in the Republican Party is to teach a person how to fish, so he can feed himself for a lifetime, whereas the Democratic Party’s philosophy is give a man a fish, so he can eat for a day,” Rice says.
Rice says most blacks are not aware that from its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has been at the “forefront of the struggle for civil rights, which is why Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.”

It was Republicans, she notes, who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote. Republicans also pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress from the 1860s through the 1960s, Rice says.
“It was the Democrat public safety commissioner, Eugene ‘Bull’ Connor, in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned the fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators,” Rice says.

Democrat Georgia Gov. Lester Maddox “brandished an ax handle to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant,” Rice says. “Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama school house in 1963 and declared that there would be segregation forever. In 1954, it was Democrat Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus who tried to prevent the desegregation of Little Rock public schools. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who sent the troops into the South to desegregate the schools and who appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown versus Board of Education decision.”
In contrast, the Democrats “fought to keep blacks in slavery, started the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize blacks, and fought civil rights legislation,” Rice says.
“The Democratic Party is the architect of modern day racism,” Rice says. “Now they are fanning the flames of racism in order to keep blacks in economic poverty.”

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

JBS

JBS society wants go eliminate certain civil rights laws..that is where the notion comes from...if you ever blog on a democratic site they equate JBS to racist....When I went on Huffington Post site to promote Dr Paul the immediate response was that I and Dr Paul are "racists" or "birchers'..to them they are one and the same..that's the perception, right or wrong

RE: JBS

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. At the core of it is freedom. Anytime the government "gives" you a freedom, that freedom can be taken back or taken away. Thus the main reason JBS wanted to not see civil rights being undertaken by the federal government.

Discussions about this were happening in 1964 in our publication American Opinion, which reveals some interesting news and motives behind why JBS was not for passage of federal civil rights legislation:

BEGIN QUOTE: American Opinion (May 1964): If the millions of citizens who -- according to the New York Times -- are supposedly for the "Civil Rights" bill were to read the bill for themselves, ninety percent of them would be angry enough to throw The Yellow Rose of Texas out of the White House. The reason the public at large has remained so indifferent to the "Civil Rights" bill is because it hasn't the faintest idea of what is in that umbratile document. One way to cure this apathy would be to send a copy of the thing to every voter in the country and ask him to read it for himself. Very few Americans would favor the drastic, revolutionary alterations to our way of life which the bill demands. But the last thing the Conspiracy wants is for the American people to actually read this piece of legislation. And that is why it insists upon pushing the bill through Congress before the public becomes curious about what it contains.

The Communist Conspiracy is directing its agents to go all out in support of the "Civil Rights" bill, for that document represents a key piece in the Communists' assembly-line revolution designed to take over the United States. Gus Hall, head of the American Communist Party, has said as much in his latest directive to the Party faithful: "The civil rights revolution has become the central arena in the struggle for a democratic America." (Substitute Communist for the word "democratic" and you get the full intent of his statement.) Further on in the directive, Hall makes the "Civil Rights" bill top priority in the Party's program for 1964: "First, the over-all national objective will be to get the civil rights legislation passed by Congress. . . . The civil rights front is that on which the main battles are being fought today. It must at all times receive our top attention."

At this stage of the game the Conspiracy realizes that without the "Civil Rights" bill a Communist victory in the United States is impossible; with it, it is almost inevitable. The reasons for this are quite clear. For years now the Conspiracy's political engineers have been constructing, in separate areas of our society and political system, the different parts for the shackles which they intend to clamp over the body of the American people when the time is ripe to do so. Each part has been precision-built to fit when assembled with the other pieces -- such as our economy-weakening foreign aid, the graduated income tax, compulsory social security, stringent regulations over business, an infiltrated State Department, the preposterous farm program, increased Presidential emergency powers, etc. When the time comes for the final assemblage of all of these separate parts it will come swiftly and without warning.

A requisite for the assemblage of those irons is the "Civil Rights" bill, which, in typical reversal fashion, has actually been designed to destroy every civil right guaranteed by our Constitution. It comes just short of a total abrogation of the individual freedoms and property rights our Founding Fathers fought so hard to obtain; for the "Civil Rights" bill gives the Federal Government all of the powers needed to finally abolish private property -- as called for in the Communist Manifesto -- and gives to the Attorney General all of the necessary powers to establish, within a relatively short period of time, a full-fledged police state.

Let us take a brief look at the bill (H. R. 7152) as passed by the House on February 10, 1964. The only part of the thing actually concerned with civil rights is Title I, which deals with Federal voting qualifications.

The rest of the bill requires fifty pages to list extensions of Federal power into virtually every private and locally controlled area of American life --using the pretext of affording to all individuals "equal protection" under the law.

Title II -- entitied "Injunctive Relief Against Discrimination In Places Of Public Accommodation" reads: "All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." As defined in the bill, places of public accommodation include virtually every small proprietorship in the country; thus placing the Federal hand on anyone engaged independently in any kind of a business serving anyone. The owners right to use his property in the way he sees fit, or sell his products to whomever he wishes, or dispense his services to anyone he wants to -- for whatever reasons may seem appropriate to him -- is completely abrogated by this law. This, in one fell swoop, represents a major loss of personal freedom in the sphere most crucial to everyone, the sphere of earning a living. A government which permits the ownership of property but which usurps the right to direct the use of that property is, by definition, Fascist. There is no other definition of that word.

Section 203 reads: "No person shall withhold, deny, or attempt to withhold or deny, or deprive or attempt to deprive, any person of any right or privilege secured by Section 201 or 202. . . ." In other words, advocating the repeal of the "Civil Rights" law after it has been passed may easily be interpreted by the Warren Court as "attempting to deprive" a person of his "rights or privileges" as secured by the "Civil Rights" bill. It is so easy to see how this inconspicuous little phrase will quietly open the door to Press censorship and the outlawing of any legitimate effort devoted to restoring individual rights. How else could such a phrase be interpreted? And why has it been written into the law if not for this purpose?

Section 204 reads: "Whenever any person has engaged or there are reasonable grounds to believe that any person is about to engage in any act or practice prohibited by Section 203, a civil action for preventive relief, including an application for a permanent or temporary injunction, restraining order, or other order may be instituted (1) by the person aggrieved, or (2) by the Attorney General for or in the name of the United States if he satisfies himself that the purposes of this title will be materially furthered by the filing of an action."

In other words, if the Attorney General decides that there are reasonable grounds to believe that you are about to engage in an attempt to deprive any person of any right or privilege secured by this bill, you are acting unlawfully. The law is dependent upon the current spooks rattling around the mind of the Attorney General. It is as bad whether the Attorney General be Robert Kennedy or Robert Welch. The language of the bill as passed by the House is so deliberately vague and nonobjective as to open the door to Federal tyranny and abuse of the worst sort.

END QUOTE

So at the time, JBS saw the Civil Rights legislation as being heavily influenced by Communists as a tactic to be used to usurp personal freedoms.

And, much like the illegal immigration debate, those on the hard left love to play the race and hate cards and anyone against the Civil Rights legislation was deemed as racist or as bigots. Much like the media has done with the debate on illegal immigration. How many times have you seen articles making no disctinction between legal and illegal immigrants, merely calling them all immigrants?

And those that do not educate themselves on both sides of an issue are easily impressed by one side or another...particularly if a certain side is endorsed by the mainstream media. And how well does the media cover both sides of an issue?

JBS is in no way racist. It bothers me to no end to hear otherwise. But as much as I, being a white male, am bothered by this, it really bothers those JBS members who are of African American, Filipino, Cuban, Hispanic, and Japanese heritage, not to mention our dozens of Jewish members.

Bill Hahn
Public Relations Manager
The John Birch Society
Appleton, WI

Definitely wrong

Those people are ignorant and only dealing at a superficial surface level. If people want to speak on things, they should at least look to educate themselves in more than a platitude-based way. This is a major problem with our society and political environment today.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

I agree

they here something once, stated in ignorance and instead of looking into it further the just assume it to be fact. Libertarian and racist are polar opposites.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

JBS and Mr. Buckley

Much has been said in the media regarding William Buckley’s death and his sparring with the John Birch Society. Some of it has been fantastically untrue with what appears to be the goal of discrediting and smearing the Society once again, something that Mr. Buckley seemed to enjoy.

When news of Mr. Buckley’s passing became public, the John Birch Society chose not to use the event for media exposure or to create additional sales for the book we published about him in 2002. We certainly had our disagreements with Mr. Buckley. But we respected him as a fellow man in life, and we maintain our respect for his family now. We wish them comfort and peace now in their time of loss.

Mr. Buckley, however, was never one to shy away from controversy, and shortly before his death an excerpt from his forthcoming book was posted online. Based on conversations from the Goldwater era, the book appears to spend considerable time taking parting shots at the John Birch Society. This, perhaps, set the tone for the press coverage of his passing, which has contained all manner of outrageous attacks and libels concerning the Society. Perhaps, knowing his affinity for debate and confrontation, Mr. Buckley would be pleased by this. He also, we think, would expect a response. With due regard for the memory of Mr. Buckley, we’re happy to respond.

Today, Mr. Buckley is perceived as a conservative pioneer. In fact, he was not so much a pioneer as a disruptive force among conservatives. Generally, conservatives applaud openness, honesty and integrity. Buckley, by contrast, had a penchant for the secret and the subversive. At Yale he was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones. After graduation, by his own admission, he became a “deep cover” agent for the CIA.

By contrast, the leaders of the conservative movement in the 1950s were largely Senator Robert Taft and industrialist and author Robert Welch. Eventually going on to found the John Birch Society, Robert Welch in the 1950s, one could describe him as “America’s conservative ambassador to the world,” was corresponding with and meeting world leaders like Korean President Syngman Rhee, West German Chancellor Konrad Adenaur, and Republic of China leader Chiang Kai-shek.

To build up his own prominence and that of his publication, National Review, Mr. Buckley decided to attack both Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. Such a move, given the prominence of both the Society and its leader at the time, was a brilliant public relations effort, even though it was dishonorable and underhanded. It was mudslinging, pure and simple. While, collectively, we’re accustomed to such tactics today, at the time it was a novel approach and it served to garner for Buckley all the attention he sought.

To the detriment of the nation and the world, over the ensuing years Mr. Buckley steered his new found audience more and more away from the classical liberalism of Taft and Welch toward increasing accommodation with ideas from the left of the political spectrum.

Today, to a great degree, the Bush administration is a monument to the success of that decades long effort. And what, exactly, has been the outcome? Ruinous spending, acceptance of big government interventionism, the weakening of the Fourth Amendment, acceptance of torture, disastrous trade policies, ongoing attacks on freedom, and empire building overseas. No, Mr. Buckley was not personally responsible for all these -- but, in large part, it was his considerable intellect and influence that patiently molded and guided the neoconservative movement that today holds the reins of power.

Today, as always, the John Birch Society stands astride the nation’s headlong, Buckley initiated, rush to the left and yells “Stop!” We believe that all the people of the world have natural, God-given liberties and freedoms and that, instead of intervening in people’s lives, governments are created to respect and protect those liberties and freedoms. To that end, our mission is simple: To bring about less government, more responsibility, and — with God’s help — a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and Constitutional principles.

Apparently that places us into the conservative movement, even though the very term has drastically changed since the 1950s. It has changed so much that we consider ourselves Constitutionalists. We have even renamed our long-running “Conservative Index” to “Freedom Index,” being the tool that rates the votes of members of Congress on the basis of their adherence to the Constitution.

If he were here, we’re sure Mr. Buckley would enjoy all the attention. One thing is true, though. By deciding to tangle with the John Birch Society again shortly before his death, Mr. Buckley as much as admitted that he had been unable to damper enthusiasm for the Society and its work. That’s because freedom is popular. The last few decades may have belonged to Mr. Buckley. But the future belongs to the free -- and the JBS will be leading the way.

Bill Hahn
Public Relations Manager
The John Birch Society
Appleton, WI

Thank you

For your efforts in the cause of liberty. WFB and others like him have done some bad things to the cause, but their influence is waning. True freedom-lovers and those who respect our Constitution and limited government are on the rise.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

UN = BAD

Organizations like this = GOOD.

Persons or organization that support or create organizations like the above linked = GOOD.

Persons or organization that oppose GOOD persons or organizations, or who oppose those organizations created by GOOD persons or organizations = BAD.

Thus: JBS = GOOD; WFB = BAD.

Simple, really. ;-P

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Liberty for Dummies

Replying to yourself = COOL

I'm not retracting the above (although it was largely tongue-in-cheek), but as a fan of logic I must concede the following to Buckley:

"How would you define the Birch fallacy?" Jay Hall asked.

"The fallacy," [Buckley] said, "is the assumption that you can infer subjective intention from objective consequence: we lost China to the Communists, therefore the President of the United States and the Secretary of State wished China to go to the Communists."

"I like that," Goldwater said.

He's basically invoking Hanlon's razor, and rightly so.

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Liberty for Dummies

"...Now with the stroke of a pen I disarm them..."

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:EgzrKUjDLRoJ:tmh.floone...

What the disengenuous Buckley fails to mention is that we know that:

"General Marshall was probably most responsible for America's presently intolerable position vis-a-vis the Communists of Southeast Asia. And yet the American public has been — and will be — asked to honor and revere the memory of this "master of global strategy." Marshall, the statesman; Marshall, the selfless, modest, dedicated public servant, the military leader who boasted in 1946: "As chief of staff I armed 30 anti-Communist divisions. Now with the stroke of a pen I disarm them."16 The heavy hand of the inept Marshall lies over the world today like the pall of death; the decisions he made, which were fully supported by the Truman administration, were so momentous and so far-reaching as to affect the lives and fortunes of every living soul today as we grapple with the problem and endeavor to find solutions to counteract those decisions.

Nothing at all subjective about this...

Leland Thomas Faegre

You're right, there's not.

You're right, there's not. And with a few strokes of your keyboard you've disarmed Buckley's argument by destroying his premise. Still, the structure of the argument remains sound, and Hanlon's razor remains underused and under appreciated (especially around here). If just one of those people I'm thinking of clicks my link and recognizes themselves in the reflection of that blade, my post will not have been in vain. ;-)

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Liberty for Dummies

The Palm Beach Plotters...

I would prefer to be wrong, but the ‘Palm Beach plotters’ as Buckley proudly acclaimed themselves, were apparently more interested in offering an Hegelian 'tweedledom' to the ignorant American voter who can't possibly understand the Machiavellian origins of contemporary political intrigue. Someone offered a 'Daisy' and the Great Society became history. The spending profligacy was not challenged until George W. Bush...

Leland Thomas Faegre

Buckley was nothing more

Buckley was nothing more than an establishment shill, probably a pervert 'grover.' Goldwater himself outed the CFR as being a conspiratorial treasonous organziation.

"All men in power should be distrusted.." -James Madison

"All men in power should be distrusted.." -James Madison

Yes, To Get Back To The Point. . .

he became a shill for the Republicans.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

More like

A grandfather/shill for Neo-conservatism (i.e. totalitarian "conservatism" which should be patently obvious a contradiction in terms, but unfrotunately there are a lot of dupes out there).

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

Well Okay

. . . you got me.:)

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

john birch society

Is considered a racist organization....and the fact that they support Dr Paul has hurt us

Anyone who's for freedom can not be labeled racist

Black Leader: Democratic Party Architect of Racism

Monday, February 25, 2008 9:43 AM

By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size

Frances Rice, chairman of the National Black Republican Association, describes the Democratic Party as the architect of modern day racism.

Rice, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and lawyer, says in an interview it was Republicans who pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress. Now, she says, Republicans stand for empowering blacks to help them out of poverty. In contrast, Rice says, the Democrats push to keep blacks dependent on government handouts and encourage them to see themselves as victims.

“The Democratic Party has built its power base on the backs of poor blacks, and they want to keep blacks poor, angry, and voting for Democrats,” Rice tells Newsmax. “Every election cycle they go into the black community and preach hatred against the Republican Party and get blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.”

In Rice’s view, “The Democrats fight every effort of Republicans to get blacks out of poverty because they know that once blacks become prosperous, the Democratic Party will lose its power base.”

Rice co-founded the National Black Republican Association in 2005 with the mission of returning African-Americans to their Republican Party roots. Because co-founder Andre Cadogan knew Newsmax CEO and Editor in Chief Chris Ruddy, the first meeting of the organization took place at Newsmax offices in West Palm Beach, Fla. The organization has grown from five members to over a thousand members. It publishes a quarterly glossy magazine — The Black Republican — and has a Web site: www.nbra.info.

Rice says the Democrats oppose giving blacks the opportunity to become wealthy through Social Security personal accounts and oppose efforts to reform Social Security, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because blacks on average have a five year shorter life expectancy.

Aligning themselves with special interests, Rice says the Democrats are “fighting school-choice opportunity scholarships that are designed to get black children out of failing schools, because the teacher’s unions wants to maintain control over buildings.”

Rice also cites widespread opposition by Democrats to the No Child Left Behind Act, which has lifted reading scores of black children but is reviled by teachers’ unions.

“Our philosophy in the Republican Party is to teach a person how to fish, so he can feed himself for a lifetime, whereas the Democratic Party’s philosophy is give a man a fish, so he can eat for a day,” Rice says.

Rice says most blacks are not aware that from its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has been at the “forefront of the struggle for civil rights, which is why Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.”

It was Republicans, she notes, who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote. Republicans also pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress from the 1860s through the 1960s, Rice says.

“It was the Democrat public safety commissioner, Eugene ‘Bull’ Connor, in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned the fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators,” Rice says.

Democrat Georgia Gov. Lester Maddox “brandished an ax handle to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant,” Rice says. “Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama school house in 1963 and declared that there would be segregation forever. In 1954, it was Democrat Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus who tried to prevent the desegregation of Little Rock public schools. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who sent the troops into the South to desegregate the schools and who appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown versus Board of Education decision.”

In contrast, the Democrats “fought to keep blacks in slavery, started the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize blacks, and fought civil rights legislation,” Rice says.

“The Democratic Party is the architect of modern day racism,” Rice says. “Now they are fanning the flames of racism in order to keep blacks in economic poverty.”

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

What do you mean us??

Crawl back under your bridge, you are no Ron Paul supporter. That is one thing I am quite sure of.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

still swallowing 40 year old smears?

JBS was smeared in the 60's, with a pack of lies about racism. You are so obvious, complaining about every type of supporter that could possibly live. Pray tell, oh all-knowing betterhalf, what type of person is pure enough to pass muster to be admitted into the faithful inner circle of betterhalf approved Ron Paul supporters?

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I

I have also heard the society tied to racism

I've heard that of every organization

Another bully tactic and smear campaign to disassemble any worthwhile American organization. Go spread your lies elsewhere dare I say "racist".

You Heard Wrong...

Is the Birch Society Secret or Fascist?

Chairman Burns stated: “We have not found the Society to be either a secret or a fascist organization, nor have we found the great majority of its members in California to be mentally unstable, crackpots, or hysterical about the threat of Communist subversion.” (Page 61)

Is the Society Anti-Semitic or Racist?

“Our investigations have disclosed no evidence of anti-Semitism on the part of anyone connected with the John Birch Society in California, and much evidence to the effect that it opposes racism in all forms.” (Page 39)

---Hugh M. Burns (Democrat), chairman of the California Senate Factfinding Committee

Leland Thomas Faegre

Not so

Whether right or wrong the perception is out there..go on Huffington Post website and mention you support Dr Paul...you will get 20 or so immediate responses of "racist' or "bircher"........but that's a democratic site......perception is sometimes stronger than reality with people

When a lie is told often enough...

This ignorant perception has been out there for nearly fifty years. When a lie is told often enough...

Leland Thomas Faegre

JBS

want's civil rights laws repealed, that's where the premise comes from..here is something else I found... right or wrong, this notion is out there:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720...

Yes and so what

There are lots of angry people out there. .Are whites excluded from this emotion? Is that what you are saying?. I thought the article was great after hearing all the candidates focus so much on the Hispanic, Black, Asian, etc. vote. What about White people who are still the majority in this country and who deserve someone to look out for their best interests. Oh, I forgot according to you we don't have that right. Go spread your hate somewhere else.

Funny

Casue that was one of Buckley's main things: banishing the "impure" from the "conservative" movement. The more I read about the guy, the more clear cut it is that he had ulterior motives.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

Racist??

What in the world are you talking about?? The John Birch Society is one of the strongest pro-US Constitution groups in the world. They rate every single Congressman's vote as to how much they support the Constitution with that vote. Obviously, Ron Paul rates number one and the JBS makes that very public and very clear. Dr Paul has spoken at their meetings several times and they have been very supportive of his run for President.

I'm beginning to think that some of you posters are really over the edge when you call the JBS racist when they are a highly respected organization and probably the only one left that is fighting to protect us and our Constitution. Before you pull out the race card, you'd better do your homework because quite honestly I'm getting tired of some of these ridiculous comments.

People Post On Here

. . . regarding things they know nothing about, and aren't embarrassed to show it. What are you gonna do?

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels