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Flower Shower Explained

Please forgive the long post, but I think it is necessary to address concerns with the outcome of the Flower Shower.

I have been away from the computer most of the day, but I wanted to offer a complete timeline of yesterday's events. First of all, I feel extremely bad about the flowers not being accepted by The Tonight Show. Motion Picture Flowers definitely went out of their way to make this a success. By the way, I chose them because of their close proximity to the studio. Before I contacted them, I emailed a number of the local meetups to see if they knew of any Ron Paul supporter that had a flower shop in the area. None of them responded.

Below is the post from the flower shop:

On October 31st, 2007 Motion Picture ... says:
We though it would be a good idea to post the details of yesterdays flower shower event.
We had originally called NBC central delivery and informed them that we had a huge flower delivery going to The Tonight Show. They advised us to go thru the back gate, upon delivery at the gate the security guard called The Tonight Show and a pass was isued to me to go in to the lot.
When I got to the back stage of The Tonight Show, security asked how many arrangements I was delivering? I told him a total of 135 different arrangements. He said he needed to call upstairs and see if it was allright to drop them off. The person he was talking to asked who where they from and I told him it was from Ron Paul
supporters to thank Jay Leno for having Dr. Ron Paul on the show tonight. After the security guard informed the person of this he was put on hold and later came back and told the guard to refuse the entire delivery. I asked why? And I was told because they did not have any room to accept that many arrangements. I then asked if they could take some of them and I was told that they could not because it would show favortism to a few. I then headed back to the shop and we called Stormy and advised her of the situation.
For every ones information we open at 8:30am -7:00pm pacific time. When we are closed we have an automated answering system. Some comments were made, maybe hinting that we are trying to avoid phone calls from Ron Paul supporters. That is not
the case and this was not some kind of scam as some of you have suggested. We are a small Flower Shop that takes pride in providing great service. We agreed to give wholesale prices due to the cause and volume of orders. We regret that the orders were refused, however all the orders were filled. Some of the orders have been delivered to local Fire Houses free of charge on behalf of Ron Paul supporters as sugested by the organizer of the event.
Also be advised that all your messages will be delivered to the Tonight Show.
Any questions please call us or email us
@ 818 845 1717 or norm@motionpictureflowers.com.
Sincerly,
Norm & Aida Rodriguez
Motion Picture Flowers, Inc.

Here is my timeline of what happened:

The Florist contacted me and informed me that the Studio would not accept the flower delivery. They suggested we contact the studio to see if we could get them to accept some, if not all, of the flowers. I could not find a telephone number for the Studio.

I decided we needed to contact one of the local Meetups in the area to see if they could take the flowers and possibly hand them out to audience members after the show. After quite a while, I was able to find a phone number for someone in one of the Meetups. I called and explained the situation to him.

At this time, he told me that there were about a dozen people in line at the tonight show. He was under the impression that many of the Meetup people would be getting tickets and going INTO the studio...hence, we could not just have the flowers dropped off with his group. After talking with him for a while, we came up with the idea of delivering the flowers to him BEFORE the show.

People were having lunch or sign waving in areas around the studio. He said he would round up as many people as possible, and that they would hand out the flowers on the streets and to businesses around the studio, along with Slim Jims, and tell people to watch RP on the Tonight Show.

While he was doing that, I called back the flower shop. This is where everything got crazy because Aida still had other orders to fulfill and deliver that day. I told her about the suggestion, but she said we had to wait until the delivery driver came back from his current deliveries.

Finally, the delivery truck returned (this may have been an hour later) and it was around 2 PM Pacific time. I called back the Meetup guy, and he was concerned that time would run out on them before they had to go into the studio. Another thing to note is that it was very loud and hard to communicate with him during this time as the crowd had grown and people were chanting "Ron Paul". Since it was so loud, I told him to call me after the show and that perhaps they could get the flowers then.

The problem with this is that the Flower Shop stops delivering around 5 PM. The Meetup guy said he would try to find people that could drive to the flower shop and pick them up after the show.

This got me thinking, what if this guy (who arrived on a motorcycle) could not round up people to pick up flowers after the show. It was now around 3 PM and I was thinking that we had 2 hours left to do something (positive) with the flowers. I called the main Firestation in Burbank and asked if they would accept flower donations. When I was told, YES, I called Aida to see what she could do.

I told her that there were 6 firestations in Burbank, and She said she would deliver to all of them! I could not find information for all 6 firestations, so I called the main firestation back, and had the lady read phone numbers and addresses to me for all of the stations.
I then called each station and asked them how many firemen they had, and if a large delivery of flowers and balloons would hinder their duties in any way.

I only got ahold of 5 of them, and they were all VERY thrilled that someone was thinking of doing this for them. They thought we were going to send ONE bouquet, but when I hinted that we would have a bouquet for nearly EVERY fireman, they couldn't believe it. Again, they were very happy about this and couldn't believe that we wanted to send them a number of flowers and balloons.

I emailed the contact info to Aida, along with the number of flowers/balloons to send to each station since some had more firemen than others. I told her to hold back about 30 orders, in case the Meetup guy showed up later, and suggested that if he
didn't come by, to take the remaining 30 to the main firestation the next morning.

It was now around 4 PM. I think the florist had time to deliver to 3 of the firestations last night, and would deliver the remaining 3 this morning. Around 5:45, the Meetup guy called me and told me the show was over and he was trying to get some people together to go to the flower shop. They were pretty tired after being in line all day and decided to find a hospital in which to deliver the flowers. I believe he had talked to someone at one of the hospitals to see if they could receive a large order from Ron Paul Supporters. Again, this person was thrilled that we would think of them, and said they would distribute the flowers to patients.

By the time that all was said and done, it was 9 PM (central) where I live. I can not say it enough how much I regret that The Tonight Show did not receive these orders! I hope everyone will understand that both the Florist and I did everything possible, with
the time constraints we had, to take care of a difficult situation.

I do think everyone deserved this explanation and regret that I did not provide it earlier. I am still disappointed by many of the comments that have suggested actions that would reflect poorly on Ron Paul and his supporters. Perhaps, as some of you
suggested, we should have not done this event. But that doesn't mean we shoot ourselves in the foot now, and turn the situation into something ugly. I also made it very clear that if you could not afford this event, or if it would take away campaign contribution funds, to please not participate.

I hope this explains to everyone what happened yesterday. I ask that we do not discuss this further on Daily Paul as it only distracts us what we need to be doing. We are here to elect a President! My Meetup will continue to develop fun and creative ideas that will encourage people to get involved in the campaign.

If you have ANY questions or comments about this matter, please email ME DIRECTLY, and I will be glad to discuss it with you personally.

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Yea, thanks for the update /

Yea, thanks for the update / clarification.
Having all the facts, makes things so much easier to interpret and make a sound judgment about. Obviously my previous comments, did'nt have this info.

Thanks. And I believe you did the very best anyone could do with the situation. Nice work!

Awesome none the less!!

A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. You guys rock!

The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

Flower Shower caused good interview

Whether the flowers arrived or not, I care not... I believe this interview was a success because hundreds of people poured their energy and hope into this day. They bought flowers, they bought bus tickets to LA, they skipped work, they talked in the forums, the Meetups rallied in pubs to watch... All this positive energy is what made this a success.

Forget about the refunds.

IT WAS A SUCCESS BECAUSE OF THE FLOWERS!!

=) The universe is responding to us.

UPDATE

Folks,

This has been a long thread with many responses and replies. I'm sure some of you might be confused if you haven't read every posting since last night.

I'll use the feedback from the individual who posted about "Crisis Communications 101" to provide some responses, given that I have some knowledge of this situation.

PRINCIPLE 1: There should be one official spokesperson
RESPONSE 1: Other than the flower shop taking initiative on their own to respond today, Stormy has been the sole spokesperson for this event. She posted many responses yesterday about what happened, but unfortunately many of them have been pushed down by new responses.

PRINCIPLE 2 Be upfront and provide all available information
RESPONSE 2: As soon as she had worked through logistics of where the flowers were to go, she drafted and posted on this thread exactly what the alternative plan was. It was clear, concise and direct, other than knowing who exactly at the Tonight Show denied the request. All other facts were stated.

PRINCIPLE 3: Respond Quickly
RESPONSE 3: Once again, a post was made immediately on DailyPaul.com following the finalization of the alternate plan of where the flowers would go. It could not have been any faster given decisions needed to be made ASAP about what to do with 135 flower arrangements.

PRINCIPLE 4: Promptly correct inaccurate information
RESPONSE 4: Stormy was on here very late into last night addressing issues of conspiracy and ulterior motives. Please read the entire thread. We can't expect her to be providing 24 hour customer service when she's doing her best to respond immediately as things are happening.

PRINCIPLE 5: Provide timely updates regardless of how insignificant they may appear
RESPONSE 5: She does need to provide further update given the posting by the flower shop. My understanding is they were delivered to firefighters but there may have been some extras still at the flower shop that went to a local hospital. As for who rejected them and why, I think the flower shop addressed this in their post.

Given this "crisis" (although I would hardly call this a crisis), I think Stormy has done an excellent job. I think people need to take time to read the *entire* thread of this post going back to yesterday. As grassroots supporters, we can't expect her to be on this site 24 hours a day responding to messages when someone decides to only read the previous three postings and then express their outrage.

I have emailed Stormy directly to let her know there is on-going consternation about this issue, and I'm sure she'll be able to clarify the flower shop's comments.

Flower Update

We though it would be a good idea to post the details of yesterdays flower shower event.
We had originally called NBC central delivery and informed them that we had a huge flower delivery going to The Tonight Show. They advised us to go thru the back gate, upon delivery at the gate the security guard called The Tonight Show and a pass was isued to me to go in to the lot.
When I got to the back stage of The Tonight Show, security asked how many arrangements I was delivering? I told him a total of 135 different arrangements. He said he needed to call upstairs and see if it was allright to drop them off. The person he was talking to asked who where they from and I told him it was from Ron Paul supporters to thank Jay Leno for having Dr. Ron Paul on the show tonight. After the security guard informed the person of this he was put on hold and later came back and told the guard to refuse the entire delivery. I asked why? And I was told because they did not have any room to accept that many arrangements. I then asked if they could take some of them and I was told that they could not because it would show favortism to a few. I then headed back to the shop and we called Stormy and advised her of the situation.
For every ones information we open at 8:30am -7:00pm pacific time. When we are closed we have an automated answering system. Some comments were made, maybe hinting that we are trying to avoid phone calls from Ron Paul supporters. That is not the case and this was not some kind of scam as some of you have suggested. We are a small Flower Shop that takes pride in providing great service. We agreed to give wholesale prices due to the cause and volume of orders. We regret that the orders were refused, however all the orders were filled. Some of the orders have been delivered to local Fire Houses free of charge on behalf of Ron Paul supporters as sugested by the organizer of the event.
Also be advised that all your messages will be delivered to the Tonight Show.
Any questions please call us or email us
@ 818 845 1717 or norm@motionpictureflowers.com.
Sincerly,
Norm & Aida Rodriguez
Motion Picture Flowers, Inc.

Ernie Hancock post is correct regarding flower shower

Hey Everyone,

I was at the Tonight Show and the Ernie Hancock blog is correct (and posted a few comments down).

There was no room at the studio. Here's an excerpt from I post I made on my First Hand Account forum:

"The whole area is actually pretty small compared to what it looks like on TV. The hallways are even tight and it's pretty cramped when you have people trying to go in opposite directions so there really wasn't room. And putting them on the stage wasn't really an option because the whole area was utilized for the show. Maybe if they'd been expecting them...

We were actually told they would give them to us and the group that organized for that was going to take them to St. Jude's Children Hospital but I don't KNOW for sure what happened to them. The staff was REALLY impressed with all the attention Dr. Paul was receiving. A couple of them mentioned they had never heard about so many phone calls and e-mails from people flooding the studio. A lot of people were trying to get tickets last minute...really, really thankful I got a ticket!! I actually got a pretty kick ass seat too. We were in the 2nd row of cushioned seats behind about 3 rows of chairs on the ground and sat directly in front of Jay and the famous couch. It was awesome, you guys!!!!"

Okay, my understanding of the whole event was that Jay Leno's people gave us, the supporters, the flowers to take to St. Jude's because they couldn't keep them. Ernie and a group of people did deliver them to a hospital and I don't know about pictures. If someone could post a link to the blog that would be great! I think it would ease everyone's mind. And if it was Jay Leno's team that gave them to "us" then the decision was made by the intended recipient as to what to do with the flowers and there was no reason the gift givers should have been contacted legally or any other way.

The infamous flowers

Starting to sound like the story of "Mutiny on the Bounty." Yeah, they were all against me, seeeee.

All kidding aside, I believe the flower shop did try to make delivery and they were refused. I just speculate here.....and I did buy flowers and balloons by the way. On a post several days ago, someone did make mention that they were emailing the Tonight Show, so they should have been aware of a big delivery.

I get the impression that one of the producers is not a Ron Paul fan and denied them........quite rude. Since they were apparently delivered very early, there was plently of time to set them out. I do think we have a right to know the person that did deny the order as someone said on a previous post that one of the producers liked Ron Paul. Since Jay never made mention of it on the show, it tells me that this person unjustly denied him this information too. Anyone know how many producers they have?

Either way, an unfortunate lesson that we can't even show appreciation any more without being censored. We, or at least I, will not make that mistake for any other show that Ron appears.

Ultimately, it was great that someone that the unfortunate were able to get the flowers and balloons......limes to lemonade.

Bob W., Naples, FL

Thank you

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- kipload
idealogs.blogspot.com

Okay... let me attempt to clarify. Again.

I think my point is being missed... I am simply asking for clarification. I don't want my money back unless the events did not occur as explained. And just to make sure, we should be asking for proof.

1) I've seen the pictures. Yes, there are lots of pretty little arrangements there. Yes, I spoke with the lady myself. She was very pleasant, and seemed to be a great person. I hope her business thrives.

2) All I want is an explanation as to why the flowers could not be received, and who had the final say as to how a product I ordered is put to use. (IMO, it should have been each individual that made a purchase. We were asked to provide our phone # in case something like this happened so why not use it) That's it.

The first comments stated the flowers were going to the firefighters. Now we are hearing stuff about hospitals, and nursing homes. Someone needs to clear this up.

- Where's the proof they did not accept receipt?
- Why did they not want to accept?
- Why would a shop owner assume one individual has the right to speak for numerous independent customers?
- Where did they go? And show me tangible evidence they arrived.

That's it. I'm not trying to be crude. I don't want to "chargeback" the shop in financial ruin. I just want to make sure I was not screwed. The shop owner, for the sake of their business, should be aware that arbitrarily changing the terms of a contract without the consent of both parties is not good business practice. And I would like to get a better idea as to who has access and record of my personal information.

Honestly, I do not think that is too much to ask.

- kipload
idealogs.blogspot.com

Crisis Communications 101-- Where's Stormy?

The entire incident should be a lesson in Crisis Communications 101 -- Something I happen to know a little about. Stormy we need to hear from you or your designate.

PRINCIPLE 1: There should be one official spokesperson
MISTAKE 1: In this case the spokesperson should be Stormy. For better or for worse, she took on the responsibility of organizing the project, thus we need to hear from her and only her. We have so many people jumping in with real of perceived explanations, we have no idea what is going on.

PRINCIPLE 2 Be upfront and provide all available information
MISTAKE 2: I believe the first we heard of the change in the flower situation was a post from Stormy of an alternative plan. It took several posts later to somewhat gleam what sorta happened.

PRINCIPLE 3: Respond Quickly
MISTAKE 3: While the response to change the plan was, perhaps, proactive, the contributers were left in the dark that the flowers were not delivered. They only learned after the fact and that a new plan was in place without an adequate explanation of why.

PRINCIPLE 4: Promptly correct inaccurate information
MISTAKE 4: There are all kinds of accusations and conspiracy theories here that I need not repeat: ulterior motives, distrust, fraud etc.

PRINCIPLE 5: Provide timely updates regardless of how insignificant they may appear
MISTAKE 5: Still haven't heard if the flowers were delivered, who rejected them, why they were rejected and if in fact, the firefighters were receiving them, or did they go to a hospital. etc.

So if this were my crisis, I, Stormy (or her designated spokesperson) would:
1. Put everything out on the table -- detail what happened
2. Correct any inaccurate information--conspiracy, fraud etc.
3. Give frequent progress reports of the status -- where are the flowers, where we are in the process etc.

Trust me you need to put an end to this before it escalates any further and hurts the campaign.

I disagree with many posters who feel the issue should be dropped. Everyone who donated has a right to know what happened to their money. This can be easily cleared up by Stormy.

Well said.

I also await a response. [Preferably an edit to this thread; and not a new one titled: 'Flowers not delivered to Leno' etc... or anything similar to that nature.]

It must be my day to agree

I await Stormy's response.

flowers for hospital patients

hey, i read this on Ernie Hancock's blog

"After the show we learned that 150 vases of roses were undelivered due to there not being any more room at the studios. Several of us went to the florist to pick up the remaining roses and balloon arrangements and took them to a nearby Hospital where staff there helped Ron Paul supporters distribute them to patients (along with a Ron Paul card). "

Terrific idea, giving flowers to hospital patients!! What a great way to get the word out about Ron Paul!!

I wonder, the way the first line there is written... does that mean "some" of the flowers were delivered?

Behind the Scenes at the Tonight Show
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=02...

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

flowers for hospital patients

hey, i read this on Ernie Hancock's blog

"After the show we learned that 150 vases of roses were undelivered due to there not being any more room at the studios. Several of us went to the florist to pick up the remaining roses and balloon arrangements and took them to a nearby Hospital where staff there helped Ron Paul supporters distribute them to patients (along with a Ron Paul card). "

Terrific idea, giving flowers to hospital patients!! What a great way to get the word out about Ron Paul!!

I wonder, the way the first line there is written... does that mean "some" of the flowers were delivered?

Behind the Scenes at the Tonight Show
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=02...

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

My Thank You email to Jay Leno

Dear Mr. Leno,

I want to thank you for having Dr. Ron Paul on your show last night. I have been a supporter of Dr. Paul for many years and it is always refreshing to hear him speak, as he does, with clarity about the issues that concern us as a country and as individuals.
I was very sorry to learn that someone there at the studio refused all the flowers we sent to you as a Thank You. We really wanted to show you our appreciation. I guess we do get excited about Ron Paul, but then he, and his message, is worth getting excited about. You see, Ron Paul supporters are a diverse and energetic bunch. Unlike the supporters of other campaigns who are wealthy and go to $1,200 a plate dinners, we are mostly plain, everyday working folks who save from our budgets and do without extras to make our donations because we believe in the message Dr. Paul teaches. We believe in America. We believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Unfortunately, someone at your studio decided not to allow us the right to show our appreciation. I suppose they had a good reason but there is a lot of that in America these days. Whether it’s a choice to wear a seat belt or not, to get a vaccination or not, or go to war or not, our choices, our freedoms, have been taken away from us. Dr. Paul teaches that we need to restore our individual freedom and thereby our personal responsibility for our lives and our country. It’s not difficult or complicated. It’s not “radical”. It’s simply what the Founding Fathers established when they gave us a Constitutional Republic.

As Stormy said yesterday

As Stormy said yesterday (read earlier postings), we need to have *no* negativity toward the Tonight Show or firefighters regarding this issue. This includes no emails regarding the flowers.

As much as people might want to assume conspiracy theories, I think the flower shop said it best. They really do not have any room at the studio where the show is shot. Could easily be that there are no offices or traditional office space attached to the Leno stage.

I think we need to give people the benefit of the doubt and realize there may have just not been any room for placing the flowers.

flowers for hospital patients

hey, i read this on Ernie Hancock's blog

"After the show we learned that 150 vases of roses were undelivered due to there not being any more room at the studios. Several of us went to the florist to pick up the remaining roses and balloon arrangements and took them to a nearby Hospital where staff there helped Ron Paul supporters distribute them to patients (along with a Ron Paul card). "

Terrific idea, giving flowers to hospital patients!! What a great way to get the word out about Ron Paul!!

I wonder, the way the first line there is written... does that mean "some" of the flowers were delivered?

Behind the Scenes at the Tonight Show
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=02...

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

flowers for hospital patients

hey, i read this on Ernie Hancock's blog

"After the show we learned that 150 vases of roses were undelivered due to there not being any more room at the studios. Several of us went to the florist to pick up the remaining roses and balloon arrangements and took them to a nearby Hospital where staff there helped Ron Paul supporters distribute them to patients (along with a Ron Paul card). "

Terrific idea, giving flowers to hospital patients!! What a great way to get the word out about Ron Paul!!

I wonder, the way the first line there is written... does that mean "some" of the flowers were delivered?

Behind the Scenes at the Tonight Show
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=02...

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

Suggestion

I suggest that Stormy remove this original post (Stormy is the only one that can delete it)

No one is to blame here because the intentions were in good faith and maybe the florist hopefully already did or can deliver the flowers to nursing homes, shelters etc where people can enjoy them. Ron Paul supporters are the best ever! Let's turn this into something positive for the elderly or poor to enjoy and the flowers will spread the love and support of Ron Paul to people who may not know about him.

Explanation needs to head the thread

Stormy,
The explanation for the flower re-distribution to the fire fighters needs to be it's own topic. I've had to filter through dozens of comments to find out what's going on. Can you please re-post this?

Per this link:

Per this link: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=29769
All doubt is cast aside for me. I think the issue should be dropped personally, it has seemed to be dealt with. If there is too be a new thread though; really consider the title. - If anything it would just restart the issue imo, here it is buried pretty well. Lol.

COUNT ME OUT of ruining people!

Much of this is reposted, sorry, due to the fact that several posters appear to jump in and say things before they read through what has gone before.

The shop absolutely made the flowers in question.

On October 29, Monday, someone stopped by and took several pictures of the shop at Stormy's request, and the flowers were definitely being made and many, many were already done and lined up in boxes for delivery! The pictures were posted at RonPaulForums and a link was provided in this thread below. I SAW THE PICTURES!

LISTEN UP. All evidence points to the shop owner proceeding in good faith! The only question is why the producer of the Tonight Show would not allow the flowers to be delivered.

For myself -- I know when to let things go! Why demand my money back from someone who obviously gave me a GREAT DEAL on the flowers in the first place and to all evidence was excited about the project, made all the bouquets and attempted to deliver them!

You think the shop owner didn't put an investment into this? Of course she did, and at that price, she sure wasn't making big bucks. She will lose that investment, HER money, if everyone demands their money back. If even a few people demanded it back, she might have a net loss. Is that what the Ron Paul revolution is about? I think not.

I'm NOT going to do that to her, because I want her to remember Ron Paul as having excited but thoughtful and caring people supporting him, not people who try to ruin her business. Whatever she does remember is what she will tell other people, too. Never forget that!

I see a lot of people rushing to judgment, and if whining and wanting to ruin someone's business is what you think Ron Paul wants his supporters to do, then go ahead. COUNT ME OUT.

Agreeing again

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=29769

Here is a post of the flower shop on the RonPaulForums.

I believe in all sincerity that the flower arrangements were made as promised and a delivery attempt was made.

It is my opinion that this shop has made deliveries to studios before and never had a problem so there was no reason for them to believe that there would be a problem this time either. NBC is the one we need to blame for smothering our efforts. Should we all be surprised by this? I for one am not.

When I made the order I spoke to Aida and she seemed enthusiastic about making the arrangements, and indicated that they were hoping for the flowers to appear on the program as much as we were. (free advertising for the shop) To hold this woman responsible for the intended recipient of our arrangements refusing delivery is not the proper thing to do and in any chargeback investigation I believe that since the flowers were produced, and a delivery attempt was made and refused, she will be found not to be liable for refunds. Of course the amount of trouble and heartache that she would be forced to endure would be copious. I'm sure she would be loving Ron Paul after that.

Instead of belaboring this issue, I decided to call the shop directly and found that all of the lines are being forwarded to an answering service. I hope this is not because of irate RP supporters giving this poor woman hell.

I called the store once again and selected the "leave a message" option and left a very courteous message stating that I am a Ron Paul supporter who had made an order for three arrangements, and it was my understanding that there was a problem regarding the delivery. I went on to thank her for using her head sending them to the firefighters instead of wasting them completely.

Now that I am convinced the arrangements were produced, I am willing to look forward instead of dwelling in the past. Thank all of you for your efforts and opinions.

Ron Paul 2008

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We did read it...

Could you provide a link? I am sure that would make a lot of people feel better....

Also, a whois on the website reveals a valid business since 2004. So this makes it more likely an honest mistake...

But that still leaves the delivery verification to be done. And asking for delivery verification is not unreasonable at all. As long as those, such as yourself are ok with having the flowers delivered elsewhere than absolutely, don't ask for your money back.

But for those that aren't ok with it, well, that is up to them...

(I disagree with deleting this thread, but I think anyone who cares has read it already so we should let it die... I will stop posting for my part... :) )

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

The link is there...but here is is again.

Pictures taken on the 29th at the flower shop.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=29769
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=29769
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=29769

My point is, the flower shop TRIED to deliver them, and the delivery was REFUSED. The shop cannot be held liable for that. We sent our flowers to NBC, and NBC said they didn't want them.

Why did we buy flowers??

Why did we order flowers and balloons? To give them to Ron Paul??? Was anyone seriously expecting him to take them home? We ordered them to give him good publicity and show support. To create warm media fuzzies about Ron Paul. Does all of this bitching about not being notified and chargebacks and reaming out the florist and the Tonight Show accomplish any of that? I know that it's a lot of money to some of us--me included, I'm on rice and beans right now, but is a lousy $25 bucks worth the negative press? What travels faster, good news or bad news? We need to get positive press for this, and that will take more work. Negative press is lots easier, you know---"XYZ Florist, that had been contracted to deliver flowers to the Tonight Show yesterday, has been swamped with irate Ron Paul supporters demanding their money back since their orders were refused by the Tonight Show and unable to be delivered as planned. XYZ Shop delivered their orders to the CA firefighters with a Thank you note instead. This did not appease the many rabid Paulites that accused the shop of being part of a conspiracy against the candidate." Is this better???? There is a saying, Do you want to be Right or Rich? I ask you, Do we want to be Right or do we want Ron Paul for President?

Thanks

you made my point exactly. Better than I could.

I paid $13

I thought it was a silly idea but still sent balloons. Those won't go bad and while I do wish that I knew what happened to them that was money that I otherwise wouldn't have sent to RP so it doesn't make much difference.

The real issue is what was the desired effect of sending those flowers? If you expected Leno to say "OOOOO I got all these flowers" then you were asking too much.

I think you all should stop bickering just because on $25 dollar purchase didn't amount to much. I bet all those people that buy "As Seen On TV" things aren't always happy either but they keep buying them.

Don't in fight about this just stay positive and focused on thinking about Ron Paul as our next Prez. Mental pictures of him taking the oath are what I'm thinking right now!

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we aren't talking about dissatisfaction.

If a company decided to send a product that you ordered to a friend of theirs instead of to you, without asking first, they get sued/chargedback, etc. It is illegal. I didn't get involved in this effort but this needs to be verified one way or another to avoid this type of thing in the future.

And no, we aren't talking about $25. We are talking about $25*150 which is almost $4000. (Earlier I was thinking that their were only 100 participants).

Honestly, I tried to help someone out that had shown up on the RP radar because he needed a new wheelchair. At $20 each, all we needed were 200 people to sign up. We never made it above 10 (ends today).

So I'll tell ya what, you tell me that this was acceptable for these people to not deliver what was promised. That could have been another $4k in RP's pocket, or a brand new wheelchair for someone in need, or even a night out to dinner with the family for each person or whatever other plans they had for the money. You name it.

We are all sacrificing until it hurts... That doesn't mean that any of us should sacrifice for the sole sake of sacrifice without expecting what was promised.

If we take that approach, then anyone can pitch anything and we should buy it because our numbers give such great buying power.

I'll get off the soapbox now...

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What a waste of time and money.

We should have all given that money to RP's campaign, God knows we need it this month!

The flowers to the firefighters thing would be a story if Obama or Romney's guys did it. Remember we have to fight 10x as hard as those guys for media coverage.

At best we get 150 to think about Ron Paul.

A dismal failure, we should have used a flower shop owned by a hardcore RP fan, for all we know the shop could have been run by huge neofascist Giuliani supporters, or an Americano-socialist Hillary supporters.

I said it before, I smell a rat.