Time to ask the Amish for help
Submitted by DaveMac on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 09:25
They have radiated self reliance for decades. It's time we went to them for help. They can teach us. We do not have to be dependent on oil, processed food or electricity. I will take my son and we will visit the nearest community and ask for help. Most Americans will not embrace the concept of limited government without examples of Americans living without all the Fed and state programs. We must be those examples.
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Here we go again
the same characters, Mart, Zambone, now good ole Jerry. Grow up boys, There are many folks here enjoying this thread. Is your silly little posse accusing me of "psyops"? Is that a joke? Or are you guys really paranoid nutjobs? God help this Revolution. You freaks are a bigger danger than the neo cons.
Haha..
.. how grandly delusional of you to equate criticism of yourself as harming the Revolution.
Lordy lordy!
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Freaks? Why Freaks? Why Not Say You 'Folks' Instead?
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You used the word 'folks' once (above) but then called us folks "FREAKS" --
FYI: I enjoyed the thread, said as much, until I saw you wishing to argue for the obvious sake of argument. Now where does something like that go? Into the ground and nowhere.
The Amish (as I've said) have good and bad about them that we might all take and use to our advantage. But I've also reminded everyone that the Amish are a private sort (more so than the normal Joe off the street) and because of that their privacy should rightfully be respected. Gave good sound links to support those things (you tried to discredit) -- one of which was from Berkeley. Your call entirely, not trying to take anything away from you.
Just suggest you relax and chill out; and please stop calling people FREAKS just because you find they are starting to question your motives. PsyOps is real, maybe you're not for real but PsyOps is nevertheless. We should all be aware of that, not paranoid about it, but aware. All of us. You too.
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Ah Jerry, accusing me
of psyops because I posted about the importance of observing the simplicity of the Amish makes you a freak in my book :)
Ah DaveMac, accusing me
of being a freak in your book because I commented about the importance of observing the privacy of the Amish makes you a tad simple-minded in my book :)
-- Now whatdaya think of that?
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Yet another..
..strawman.. NOBODY is criticizing you for pointing out positive traits of the Amish.
*rolls eyes*
Hi..
.. Dave.
=)
I can't believe people still fall for
DavMacs post's.
classical extrapolation almost to the point of absurdity.
It does several things. Associates negative feelings "crash, no modern life, backwardness' to the revolution as well as other things.
DavMac is a pretty good psy op but a psy op non the less.
Yeah, He Got Me -- But That's Okay, It Was Fun While It Lasted
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Here's a little message from the folks at the 4th Psychological Operations (PsyOps) Group, Fort Bragg, North Carolina:
http://www.soc.mil/psyop/psyop_default.htm
***extract***
Persuading rather than compelling physically, they rely on logic, fear, desire or other mental factors to promote specific emotions, attitudes or behaviors. The ultimate objective of U.S. military psychological operations is to convince enemy, neutral, and friendly nations and forces to take action favorable to the United States and its allies.
- It's that reference to a perspective or need to convince 'neutral' and/or 'friendly' anything (above) that truly bothers me.
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Darn
you foiled my attempt to get RP supporters to learn from the Amish!!!!! I'll be back.......You haven't beaten me this time....
You guys do realize you're crazy, right?
Poor Dave =*(
People are out to get him.
And You Don't Keep FLAGGING Me -- Right? Look Again.
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Seeing the trick to YOU is your insistent argument // apparently only your way or the highway. I stated I was agreeing with you (partially) I stated a need to respect the privacy of the Amish (a very private people, everyone knows that) -- I stated a few other things; but YOU turned that into an argument that you continue. And FLAGGING someone who simply disagrees with YOU (be it partially or othewise) doesn't speak too kindly of your intent(s), forum friend.
(And if I'm wrong) Look at it this way:
I apologize -- to YOU -- and to those 'poor' Amish ;-)
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Haha..
.. yup. Eternally repeated "budget" strawmen are SOOO boring. Kind of like a 10x10 crossword puzzle.
I would think his handlers are a bit unsure of his future potential at mastering the dialectic in a stealthy way.
*yawn*
;-)
A bit of Amish news
from central PA
Since the Amish don't drive, when they need to go to hospitals or on other trips, they usually get a non-amish neighbor to take them. Some people do this regularly, and the Amish will pay through gifts (essentially barter). Generally there is no set amounts, but the Amish are usually generous, and will give quilts, home canned or fresh vegatables, wood crafts, furniture, etc.
Apparently this made someone in government mad, and one person found herself fined for running a non-licensed transportation service, and several other people were threatened with fines if they continued. outrageous
Your Post Made Me Think Of This
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A Google link to AMISH NEWSPAPERS
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-...
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While visiting purchase some of their cheese!
The Amish make the best cheese, won't even find any of the chemical residues you find in most store bought cheese.
An interesting side issue is occuring in the European Union. Since they are now starting to have collective sanitary rules, many small farmers, who have produced for hundreds of years, are now being restricted from selling their cheeses to the market. The truth is that some cheeses, in order to be produced actually require a less than sterile environment. But this is what you get when you allow New World Order Babylonians get control!
Who are the truely Just and Honest.
Like I said the Amish are certainly a lot more productive then the bloodsucking Babylonians we have in Washington. Those with their little secrets, which anyone with half a brain can figure out. They come up with great schemes to take away our money. They pass us paper and tell us it is actually worth something, they pass laws to protect the interests of Corporations so that only they can produce, while the individual is restricted from producing and selling their products. The Amish live simply, but at least they aren't stealing and living off of our nickel, which is probably not even made of nickel any more; Lying bastards!
To each their own as long as they don't tread on me!
I like your idea to visit the Amish, they appear to live very healthy lives and are at least self reliant. Unlike the Babylonians in Washington who have to rule and suck off the people in order to live. (They worship the Washington Monument which is a Babylonian obelisk, you can read about it in Samuel). Not that I deny the Babylonians their right to practice their craft or religion, just as long as they don't tread on me.
Jerry, I think you are getting a bit
carried away. "primitive" cultures? We are not visiting an ancient tribe in the Congo. We are going to observe the Amish. Many have villages and stores set up that show their lifestyle, etc. The tools they use, stoves, equipment. I was obviously not suggesting we move in. I've had great experiences with the Amish. There is no doubt in my mind they would be more then willing to answer some questions about living simply. I'm also confident I will not taint their utopia with my lifestyle. I take pride in being self reliant, American and respectful. I promise not to pollute their space :) To suggest the "poor" Amish could be sucked into our lifestyle by a visit is slightly arrogant. If you view "us" as being corrupt and immoral, than your concern is your concern, not mine..
DaveMac?!?!?
You take pride in being respectful?! Really? Since when????
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
~rolling on the floor in gut-busting laughter~
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*rolls eyes*
Hostility & Anger Just Drips From Your Good Intentions
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Do your thing forum friend, you're going to anyway, I can see that -- no doubt about that. Not me standing in your way of seeking what's best for YOU // in fact I'm moving to the side so you might continue to do your thing, okay.
Primitive with a question mark (from you) -- YES by many standards for sure they are that. That's how I see them, it certainly doesn't make them bad being that, if that's what that ? was supposed to represent.
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Ah Jerry, they choose
to live simply. If you want to equate choosing to live simply with being "primitive", be my guest. I don't think that is accurate.
One More Thing -- FLAGGING ME, Is That How You Respond?
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My post in response to your use of "primitive" culture was FLAGGED instantly -- and by you, I suspect. I don't agree with you 100-% and for that my post is to be considered deserving 'Flag As Offensive' -- apparently by you or someone else thinking so. Great!
And speaking of GREAT, here's a great fact sheet on those Amish; this submitted for everybody here in the forum (or elsewhere) wishing to know more about the Amish w/o actually stopping by and knocking on their door to their home, uninvited:
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~caforum/volume2/vol2_article2....
You seem to me, forum friend, to want to turn this into an argument because I simply state the Amish choose their simple way of life and that they should be entitled to continue in that choice they make. The only way they might be allowed to do that is if people like YOU leave them be. They don't recruit folks (as the article will tell you) and their way of life is certainly primitive in many standards to what others across this land enjoy. But again, that's their choice, no one forcing them to change that way of life //
Perhaps you don't honestly understand my intentions in the words I've used here -- I'll think as much and leave it at that.
But I will try and say again take what is best for us -- I agree with you on that, I never did state that to be a bad thing -- but how we might go about doing that is entirely a delicate matter that needs to be respected. Leave the poor Amish alone in other regards.
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An encyclopedia definition of primitive cultures:
in the lexicon of early anthropologists, any of numerous societies characterized by features that may include lack of a written language, relative isolation, small population, relatively simple social institutions and technology, and a generally slow rate of sociocultural change. In some of these cultures history and beliefs are passed on through an oral tradition…
-- Now how many of those traits apply here would you say? None? Some? A couple, maybe? Not all have to, obviously.
-- Flag away!
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Do you read what you post?
'Leave the poor Amish alone in other regards.'
Asking them some questions about living simply is some kind of assault? Jerry, come on. You make the Amish sound like wilting flowers. "poor" Amish. They have been doing business with other communities for a very long time. You act like they live in a little bubble somewhere. Perhaps this exchange has helped their culture. My outlook may be more positive.
* I did not flag your post.
Stop With The Mental Gymnastics -- Read From The Link 'FriendO'
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(this from link provided for enhancing your education of the subject) --
-- "The question of what long-range effects this will have on the Amish community is thus clearly raised. Recognizing early effects of this trend, many Amish are trying to recover the lifestyle associated with family farming, the legacy of slow change, and close parent-child relationships. In the absence of farming opportunities, for example, many establish cottage industries or work in groups doing carpentry to minimize contact with outsiders."
-- They have a reason for wishing this.
Not expecting you to understand, even though you profess to walk among the Amish. And my use of the word poor was not meant as derogatory in any sense you are trying to make it that -- just my way of saying LEAVE THEM ALONE -- that's what they wish (from us -- outsiders) but some 'outsiders' feel they know what's best, regardless, don't they.
Well somebody is steadily FLAGGING -- see the red remark missing from my postings will tell you that as a fact. It locks the posting and prevents further comment therein; at the same time I suppose it is sent to a Global Moderator for later review. But I actually don't consider me having submitted anything 'offensive' just some minor disagreement with your suggestions, that's all. Out of my hands entirely.
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