Ron Paul wins Christian presidential poll
OneNewsNow.com asked: Using your own definition of 'conservative,' which GOP presidential candidate best qualifies for that label? You said:
poll results Ron Paul 39.4%
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**This is my favorite part at the bottom of the results**
NOTE: Websites supporting the following candidates linked directly to our homepage during the roughly 24-hour period this poll was active, encouraging their supporters to vote in the poll: Ron Paul (1,116 referrals), Mike Huckabee (154), Fred Thompson (151), Duncan Hunter (29). In addition, numerous blogs apparently did the same, although we were unable to determine their affiliation. One particular website -- RonPaulForums.com -- carried the message: "time to pwn a poll at a christian right's newsite" and directed supporters to the poll. "Pwn" -- a misspelling of "own" -- is a term originating from the gaming world, meaning basically "to take unauthorized control of."
Where's the Link?
Would someone please provide a link to the results of this poll? I'm very interested to see them. Thanks!
Those other voters obviously didn't see this video
Spread the Anger. Email this around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ
I'm a Catholic for RP!
I know plenty of "born again Christians" that were Bush-drones and have recently decided that they preferred peace over war-mongering.
All us Paulites are in this fight together!
AMEN!!!
AMEN MY BROTHER!!!!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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They "own" their spin...
...and that's all it is. They attempt to disingenuously donwplay their own results, primarily because they wanted someone else to win.
To that I refer them to the Rolling Stones "You can't always get what you want, but you just might get what you need."
(Gee, is there a campaign video there somewhere?) :)
if it was a poll for
if it was a poll for Christians then it was dishonest for a non-xtian RP supporter to vote.
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thats!
thats Christian..... not xtian!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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help, I need some feedback
bumping my post (below) for your thoughtful input
Gwen Kraft
"Personal Liberty & Personal Responsibility" -- Dr. Ron Paul
"A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom." -- Bob Dylan
Maybe it feels like a form of interventionism
""own" -- is a term originating from the gaming world, meaning basically "to take unauthorized control of."
As Dr. Paul asks, "How would you feel if....."
So, while I'm totally for supporting our candidate and writing letters of support, and more importantly, building friendly relations, peace and exchange, ("with no entangling alliances"), I do think we are offending some people unnecessarily. Some of those people might enjoy discussion and learning about Dr. Paul. I am concerned that our rush to every poll and to flood every incident of oversight with objections is causing some resentment.
Do I have an answer? No. I think our participation is important; and I think that our communication with others (and to one another ABOUT others) should be lifted up, not sullied or disrespectful. Our feelings of hurt for Dr. Paul's being discounted and ignored and even attacked are genuine feelings.
What we do about those feelings, how we respond, and our efforts to reach out to others... all add up to a big complex picture. And I would like us to think, "What will REALLY be effective here? And how would I feel if I (and others set up a poll) and a particular group always swarmed it? I mean, it is fun for a time if one can enjoy the enthusiasm of those who do it, and the initial surprise may arouse my curiosity and interest. But, after a time, the game would grow old, and resentment would start to seep in and I would see them as over-zealous, and adolescent.
Please forgive me... I'm following the "What if it were me" experience to its extension. It would get tiring. And the genuine rebuff the Ron Paul supports felt, though justified, would not compensate for the frustration I would feel -- as if my personal boundaries had been crossed. Almost as if spammed? Feeling violated.
I'm getting too long here. In short, let's build friendly relations and refrain from manipulations and entanglements, like Jefferson and Paul recommend. Can we get the word out in more freeing ways? More joyful ways for ourselves?
Build the wave.... and enjoy the ride... and let others be drawn on their own motivation and curiosity?
The question is: How to handle polls, and appearances (including Jay Leno), without excess? or to respong (if at all) rebuff and insult from MSM or blogs, etc? What is best?
We want of course 1) to get our message out 2) to education and to inform where incorrect assumptions are made 3) to respond to disrespect with respectful protest; 4) to reach out to others with our hopes and our contagious enthusiasm, while maintaining our own dignity and Dr. Paul's.
I think understatement is more effective than "in your face."
My ruminations this quiet evening...
I would like some thoughtful suggestions... for my own behavior, if for no one else here.
Thank you,
gb
Gwen Kraft
"Personal Liberty & Personal Responsibility" -- Dr. Ron Paul
"A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom." -- Bob Dylan
"pwning" polls is fun, but...
The comment made was offensively flippant and sounded like it was made by somone *hostile* to the Christian right. That is about the single worst POSSIBLE way Ron Paul supporters could act.
News flash: the Christian right includes a LOT!!!!!!!!!!!! of people, and most of them are Republicans, and a lot of them are RP supporters, and lots more *will* be -- if snide anti-Christian comments don't prejudice them before they have a look.
Use some common sense and live by the Golden Rule. If you were the poll-taker and saw a comment like that, what would *your* reaction be?
I think it's fun to "pwn" all the polls, and it's important that we do (many notice us for the first time that way). Politics is perception. We need to create the perception that we're winning, and even that we can't be stopped. But you are right, gb, that we need to act with consideration toward others. RP does, and we can and must do it too.
I like the IVA(?) poll we just pwned; the poll taker did a "round 2" without Ron Paul and said "Other than Ron Paul..." which I find to be GREAT!! It is the best advertisement we could get, IMO! But, again, let's try to be a civilizing influence on the RPR hordes. Mobs don't usually behave well; we need to exceed norms in that regard. Charity is a sign of strength.
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What is begun in anger, ends in shame.
I get what you're saying...but am torn
On one hand, if it where my poll I'd be mad just like you stated...
On the other hand, it's not one person voting over and over, it is many..so therefor accurate.
I imagine that pretty soon Dr. Paul's name won't show on any polls unless we make them ourselves...but where to put them?
I imagine that pretty soon Dr. Paul will not be invited to the GOP debates...
and I imagine that we will just have to get more creative.
I don't think we can NOT vote in these polls just as much as I think they are pretty useless unless it's the results the pollster wanted in the first place.
So, I understand and agree, but alas...have no solution either. =(
Catholics
Also think that Dr. Paul's support among Catholics should not be underestimated.
I'm not a practicing
I'm not a practicing Catholic, but I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic HS and University.
That said, I have no idea how to sell Ron Paul to a hardcore Catholic...
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easy....... ask if the
easy....... ask if the person supports the Constitution... then introduce RON PAUL.. He's against abortion etc like many Catholics!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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do i count?
I currently consider myself a recovering Catholic. I've been having issues :P
well.. the rest of my large family has no issues ... and they are all RP supporters... 18 in total :) < if that ain't Catholic I don't know what is
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Catholic Christians for RON PAUL
A big Amen from this Catholic Christian for RON PAUL. I pass out cards every Sunday after Mass and even wear my button in church. We love his message.
Dr. Paul 2008
Thats right.... I would like
Thats right.... I would like to get a slim jim that specifically focus upon them....
My Catholic friends like Ron Paul for 3 reasons:
Anti Abortion
Anti Death Penalty
Anti Iraq War
Quotes from Ron Paul and the late Pope John would make for great Sunday morning Windshield Slim Jims.
I love Catholics
I always knew there was a reason I liked them so much better than those detestable, Reformed evangelical bastards. These also happen to be my top 3 reasons for supporting Ron Paul. All of them deal with the serious moral issues this country is facing. These are far more vital to our quality and richness of life than the monetary policy and economic issues.
Stop the hate
Hey, Stop offending Ron Paul Supporters!
Most of us RP supporters are Christians! Protestants and Catholics..
IT IS THE CHRISTIAN VOTE THAT WILL DETERMINE WHO IS PRESIDENT. STOP PISSING CHRISTIANS OFF. YOUR NOT HELPING WITH THE FALSE PERCEPTION OF RP SUPPORTERS..
they all go hand in hand!
they all go hand in hand! Jesus talked about money in the new testament almost more than anything else! morality has A LOTE TO DO WITH ECONOMICS AND MONEY!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Why Do You Even Support Congressman Paul?
Dude, I'm curious as to why you support such an optimistic and principled candidate like Dr. Paul when you continue to espouse views and sentiments that contradict his message.
Dwayne you are a fool
The majority of the Reformed protestant christian community is wholeheartedly for Ron Paul. They are almost all members of the constitution party. I even visited a church once where a guy handed out pocket-sized copies of the constitution out to people after church.
Try not to slander and insult an entire religious community while you're on the boards. ALL Ron Paul supporters visit here. Not just the people who support RP for the exact same reasons you do. RP attracts the widest diversity of supporters out there, and this is the #1 problem with RP supporters.
The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt
Well said
I'm one of those pesky evangelicals... It is unfortunate that a lot of evangelicals have been duped by the Republican/neocon agenda.
Try to have compassion on them as people duped into falsehoods, rather than demonizing them. They can be won over, but it won't be with venom.
Reformed frauds
I happen to have known quite of few of these evangelical scumbags and at one time ran in their circles. I am well-read in evangelical theological literature from Calvin to R.C. Sproul, so when I refer to them with disdain it is because of real, everyday, close-up experience over the course of many years. The vast majority do not even come close to supporting anything like what Ron Paul is advocating, and you are breaking a commandment against fibbing. How can you sit there after watching a representative group of them at the values voter debate and tell a boldface lie that the majority are for a foreign policy of peace with all men, and thus are supporters of Ron Paul? I personally can attest that I do not know a single one of these bloodthirsty boobs who would support an antiwar candidate, period.
As far as moral and spiritual hypocrisy goes, it is more pervasive in that contemptible community of devils than any I have ever encountered, including political jobholders. When you grow up young man, and gain more familiarity with your party of Pharisees, you'll be able to form a more disinterested opinion of them yourself. You may even begin to understand why that disreputable tradition is incapable of producing an individual on the order of a Mother Teresa, a St. Francis of Assisi, a Fenelon, a John Wesley, a George Fox, or even say, a Thomas Jefferson.
Glad you responded. this is a great picture of what's wrong.
I dunno, how about Knox, Calvin, Tyndale, Wycliff, Zwingli, Bucer, the puritans, and the huguenots? Funny, Dwayne. Reformed Calvinists kind of founded this country, copies of the Geneva bible in hand.
You're more than welcome to come visit me, and I'll be happy to take you to any number of Reformed churches or point you to any number of popular Reformed writers that adore Ron Paul. I attend three different Reformed churches in my town- all of which are 90% for Ron Paul, not to mention all the nationwide organizatons I'm a member of. In 2000, the guy running for president of the constitution party even visited my church to speak. Hm, who's more qualified to address this point- someone who's been deeply involved in Reformed circles around the country for years and years, or yourself?
The fact that you equate the Reformed community with the mushy headed value voter people shows an astounding ignorance. I'm not sure you even know the meaning of the word "reformed" or anything about the Christian reformed community which has been relentlessly promoting constitutional government. To call my denomination a party of Pharisees shows a complete lack of education and the lowest personal character.
Dwayne is a perfect example of exactly what's wrong with too many RP supporters. Overcome with frustration that our man is not yet in office and that America is being flushed down the tubes, he vents his anger on everyone that doesn't support RP for the exact same reasons he does. Notice how, even after being corrected, he continues to pile hate filled insult on top of hate filled insult until he's not even positively promoting Ron Paul anymore, but has shifted into ranting and self-righteous condescension. I'm glad Dwayne posted this perfect example of exactly how NOT to act when discussing Ron Paul with people of different religious faiths. It may also be of interest to point of that Ron Paul is an evangelical Protestant, that his brother is a Lutheran minister, and that he almost became a minister himself before going into politics instead.
So, be sure and check out Dwayne's posts and take a good lesson in how not to behave. Hopefully, he'll post another one and also give us a good lesson in exactly how to behave when called out for such behavior.
The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt
Perfect...
You took the words right out of my mouth. I have no religious affiliation, but I do believe.
This r(evol)ution is supposed to be about love, yet it seems to bring out the worst in people.A large group of people will have many opinions. We are all different, but want the same thing, for the same, or possibly, different reasons. Can't we agree to disagree, and just work towards that goal? Please???
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
- Plato
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
- Plato
Dear fellow Ron Paul supporter...
please sir do not stereotype...there are alot of us who are evangelicals that support Ron Paul. We understand the error and falsehoods that have been propagated throughout the evangelical community. Tons of us are with you...please do not diminish us because of some who have been blinded to the truth. Many will come to see reason...it has been so long since a true honest message has come forth...forgive...remember that people are being played with lies and deceit.
Cheers...
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Point Out the Lies
I used to be an Evangelical, blindly following GW Bush. I don't think alot of you who have not been in the fold can appreciate how Evangelicals are fed a constant diet of fear and misinformation by the GOP machine.
Seriously, listen to a Christian political show like "Point of View" or "Focus on the Family" or "Jay Secula". Evangelicals are repeatedly told to watch out for this, be afraid of that, protect your family from this, etc.
So I would suggest pointing out to Evangelicals you know that Jesus was spreading a message of "fear not", and talk about Dr. Paul's character. Talk about how Ron stands on his principles even when he has to stand alone. Ron Paul is not afraid to stand alone, and I love that about him; just like Jesus was not afraid to stand alone when everyone abandoned him in his hour of need.
I'm sorry
First off, I'm sorry for your experience with Evangelicals. And I speak as a quasi-member of the broader evangelical umbrella who has had similar experiences.
(By the way, for the record, 'evangelical' is supposed to be anyone who shares the Word of God/Jesus - just like 'libertarian' is supposed to be anyone who loves liberty. These both seem to take on completely different meanings than this)
Thing is - I still love Jesus. I have not been turned off of His message because of other imperfect people. I'm still doing my best to follow Him. And I will remain a hypocrite all my life because I'm trying to follow a higher standard, which is exactly the reason I need Jesus.
And another thing - 'they' still love Jesus too. None of us can claim the higher ground, as someone did recently on this site claiming that universalism transcends all religions. That response condemns anyone who doesn't think like him, which is exactly what he was accusing others of doing.
And that is not what this campaign is about.
I think the point that was being made by another person is that we should not be disparaging anyone who wants to follow the message presented by Ron Paul. By giving the evil broad brushstroke to all Evangelicals, you are basically saying "we don't need you." Whether or not that is true, the point is that liberty means freedom to decide for yourself - and allowing others to do the same. If we don't get that, then we aren't getting the core of Dr. Paul's message, who, by the way, as a Baptist, would fall into the broader category of 'evangelical.'
And possibly for the first time, there are evangelicals who are hearing a message they haven't heard before - and are considering it. There are a number of them who no longer buy into what they've been told the last 7 years.
Finally, I would ask that you forgive your brothers and sisters, because the only one being hurt by the unforgiveness that comes through in your note is you. Actually, you may also be turning away people who would like to support Paul, but would be put off by comments like these - even if they're true.
Oh yeah - I may not be an old man yet. But I'm definitely not a 'young man' anymore either.
Thanks mike
Thanks mike, for deleting my lengthy comment to Wade. I suppose you find it necessary to pander to religious hypocrites, moral failures, and spiritually deficienct folk. It is of little concern to me however, except for the waste of 10 precious minutes, and fortunately, my vote for Ron Paul has little to do with what I think of his flunkies.