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Hoarding & The Patriot II Act?

Can anyone please provide a link for more information, just curious what the "limitations" are.

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patriot act really has

patriot act really has nothing to do with it.. the executive orders the president has at his diposal are whats scary! they can confiscate anything at anytime during a national emergency! that means.. money , property, land, gas, food and YOU!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

You're right Sierra.

When they're ready, I don't care if you have ten rooms of ammo, food for 100 years, and precious metals beau coup. They're gonna hit you and you're not gonna know what happened.

Stop the fear within yourselves. Stop scaring eachother. Stop living in a petrified state of panic and desperation. It's not healthy.

Be informed. Not alarmed. Fight when it comes to you.

Fema Camps, Martial Law, The Patriot Act, Recession, Depression, Stock Market, Gold, Silver, Iran, Iraq, Isreal, War, NWO, Trilateral Commission, NAU, The Fed, Bush, The Council of Foreign Relations, China, Nafta, Obama, McCain, The Olympics ....

Do I have enough? Will my neighbors try and take it? What is my future?


What in the hell do you think you've been doing all this time? I will guarantee this world has knocked each and every one of you on your ass a hundred times and you got back up.

Stop living in fear.



"Im still here you bastards!"

Steve McQueen

You had me at hello.

Hey why don't you start a whole new thread with this comment. Call it fear not!! I'll bump it like worshiping a Egyptian Kat monument..8>0

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Hello. :)

Anything for you, oruval.



"Im still here you bastards!"

Steve McQueen

Churchill quote

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
Winston Churchill


Make no mistake. This is a game of domination, and we are the ones who are going to get dominated, if we don't stop it.

You Might Want to Check this Out Further!

from "Secret Patriot Act II Destroys Remaining US Liberty"

1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, insuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.

2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.


SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

and finally, in a paragraph farther down:

"... also agreed that the FBI has been quietly demonizing patriots and Christians and "those who carry around pocket Constitutions."

PyraBang for Liberty

PyraBang for Liberty

We all should have sued/impeached Washington a long time ago

*** God bless Ron Paul ***
* Ron Paul For President *

*** God bless Ron Paul ***
* Ron Paul For President *

Gold, silver, wheat, beans...

...Doesn't seem like any of it will be of use to us if/when we are all homeless, unless you have whatever you can tote around in an ice chest roller on the streets!

"It is not the abuse of power, it is the power to abuse."
- Michael Cloud, Libertarian

We can start

a Ron Paul tent city. ;-)

Call the tent cities "Bushville" or "FEDville".

A throwback to the tents cities of the depression era that people called: "Hooverville" (s).

"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."


has a certain ring to it.

"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."

Bush has totally destroyed all that was freedom.

Of course helped my MSM not telling people.
Certainly McInsane will finish the job if he got in as he hates personal gun ownership.
Remember all the promises Bush made.
Never followed up on even one of them.
Same will happen with these other three.
Only can trust RP to do as he says.

Watch and feel the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch and feel the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone have a reliable source

to find out about this? I understand the Patriot Act is hundreds of pages long. What is this about "hoarding" and how does it pertain to our lives?

Please see my post below


the information is very hard to come by.

Buckets of Brown Rice and Actual Whole Grains Last Forever!

Whole grains will stay good forever. They pulled barrels of Kamut "A whole Grain" out of Ancient Egyptian temples that was still good for eating.

I will save up us much brown rice as possible. I'd like to save up leafy greens too like collard greens and Kale but they are harder to keep fresh. I could live off Rice for a long time and it's been done many times in history before.

The "sugars" in rice are also especially enriching to the brain and body.

Word of caution on the rice

It is possible to get worm larvae in there and it can wipe out the whole stock, so peruse it carefully and transfer it from the bags you get it in bulk from to airtight rubbermaid-type containers. had that happen to us sicne we go through it in 25# bags between us and our dogs.

if you purchase rice and

if you purchase rice and pasta in bulk, put it in your freezer for a few hours. That will take care of the larvae.

Formerly rprevolutionist

Dry the greens

in a food dehydrator. Also sliced vegetables and fruits.

I learned this today...

When buying some junk silver (pre 1964 coins = 90% silver), I paid CASH, he didn't require a name on the receipt.

BUT, if and when I want to sell back to him, if it is OVER $1k, he must report AND no matter what the amount is that I sell, he is required to make a copy of my drivers license and attach it to the receipt - he said 'Patriot Act' regulations.

In the case of a currency collapse, where nobody will

take Federal Reserve Notes, you can trade them in small amounts in exchange for other commodities that may be essential to sustain life. I would never want to simply sell my silver coins for FRNs.

"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."


find a private buyer.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

So sell it back in $900 increments!



Please will someone tell me

what you are talking about? Are you guys saying we now have laws telling us how much food we can buy? It sounds beyond Orwellian.

The provisions of Patriot-II are so far reaching that

the subject of hoarding could pale by comparison to other acts that can be visited upon your body for a rather large variety of "reasons". For instance, here I am sitting in my house, clicking on a keyboard. I am not affiliated, in any way, with any foreign government. And yet, Patriot-II allows me to be designated as a "foreign power", for purposes of FISA surveillance.

I am reminded of John Locke who said:

"Whenever the legislators endeavour to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence."

I consider Patriot-II to be a naked declaration of war on the citizens of the U.S.; nothing less than that.

Best regards.

"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

Hey, isn't Patriot II just

Hey, isn't Patriot II just "another ---- piece of paper"?

"It is not the abuse of power, it is the power to abuse."
- Michael Cloud, Libertarian

here is one:


they seem a little out there on some things but the info is there none the less.

The problem seems to come in when you review FEMA code. They state that you need two weeks of provisions in case of emergency. And since FEMA will in effect be in charge of things if the world goes to hell in a hand basket, then hoarding will be at their discretion to determine. From what I have gleaned from others and articles, it seems that if you have more than 2 weeks provisions, you are hoarding. But I could be wrong. Anyone feel like calling FEMA to check? :D

Link to Patriot Act II overview:


I would like this info too. I looked up EO10998 like someone suggested, and did not see anything about more than a two weeks supply of food being a felony or anything like that. Maybe I didn't read carefully enough.

Can someone else provide a link?

it only becomes "hoarding"

it only becomes "hoarding" when there is a shortage.. it is not hoarding if you are buying it when no emergency exists! wrong choice of words!

It will probably come down to being

whatever the guys with guns and badges (or just guys with guns) say it is at the time. That's why you need to split up your food storage among several locations, even bury some of it in sealed containers.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.