Longtime Ron Paul favorite enters Libertarian race for president
UPDATE: Since it would confuse people to remove the first sentence of this post and try to understand the vitriol, I'll leave it, but in retrospect, I agree I should have left it out. The remainder of the message is, I believe, useful information, and contains links to two sets of writings that are almost entirely in agreement with Ron Paul's views, and offer both arguments and evidence that will be useful in promoting Dr. Paul's candidacy, and that contain nothing promoting the candidacy of any other person.
I should also have noted that Dr. Ruwart and her husband have been active supporters in this year's Ron Paul for President campaign, and that she only declared after Dr. Paul's announcement that he was suspending his presidential campaign (or after what looked to most people like such).
Okay: my original message, with the offending first sentence follows:
I think I know who Dr. Paul is going to be voting for in November, and it isn't John McCain. ;)
Dr. Mary Ruwart, who was nominated in 2002 by Dr. Ron Paul to be FDA Commissioner, has entered the race for the Libertarian nomination. Ruwart, a former Assistant Professor of Surgery at St. Louis University Medical School and research scientist in the pharmaceutical industry, is the author of Healing Our World in an Age of Aggression, a primer on libertarianism which Dr. Paul says "bridges the gap between conservatives and liberals, Christians and New Agers, special interests and the common good, with practical solutions to our economic and societal woes." Although the current 2003 version of the book is well worth the price, an older version of the book is available online for free at http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/
In her turn, Dr. Ruwart supported Ron Paul in his Libertarian presidential bid in 1988, and has indicated that her campaign intends to promote Dr. Paul's Health Freedom Act proposal now in Congress. She has announced that her three campaign themes will be Foreign Policy, The Economy, and Health Care, all issues in which she and Paul are in virtually total agreement. Her popular Internet column for the non-political educational group Advocates for Self Government, "Ask Dr. Ruwart", provides short answers to the tough libertarian questions, and archives of her answers can be found at http://www.askdrruwart.com.
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I don't understand the narrow mindedness of some RP supporters. "I'm only voting for RP and no one else", "Gimme RP or gimme death" I admire the passion. But even RP said himself that his revolution isn't about him, ITS ABOUT IDEAS. So we need to continue to get RP delegates in the GOP. And continue to elect RP Republicans for public office.
But we also need to give a steroid injection to the Libertarian Party with money bombs. They were ineffective in the past due to lack of funding. But the RP grassroots has the organizational power to help that. Bob Barr has to same web designer as RP. www.bobbarr2008.com
Read my post here: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46148
give me paul or give me death
!!!
Ignore 'em
When they give you a hard time for an interesting opinion and information about Dr. Paul's history and beliefs that few have known (well, I certainly didn't...). There's a group of fundamentalists who cruise the posts looking for blasphemers and swarm as the first hint of conjecture, realistic or not. They probably wear rough wool and beat themselves with tattered copies of The Revolution whilst humming Aimee Allens tune.
For myself, at this point I wouldn't bet a large amount of money that Dr. Paul will make the ticket in November. As he himself pointed out, however, that's not the point. The point is the movement and its ideas. It sounds as though Dr. Ruwart is in very close agreement with Dr. Paul (and by extension...supposedly all of Dr. Paul's supporters) on most of the issues so I don't see what all the yelling is about. If you want to get excited over something go find people who aren't familiar with the platform and get excited informing them. Bashing your shield at members of your own army isn't a smart way to fight a battle.
No one is yelling
nor wearing rough wool, at least not me, as it is 75f where I am at. Do love th Aimee Allen tune, however, she did a great job. Now back to the subject at hand here. Ron Paul said he will stay in the race as long as he has supporters. Talking about the virtues of another Presidential candidate and how Ron Paul would vote for her does not support him in any way. The owner of this site has stated the purpose of it was for the campaign for Ron Paul, not someone he has endorsed a book for. You may not think he will make it, but the rest of us are working very hard to make it happen, and believe it will.
While I applaud
your enthusiasm I have reservations about this notion of hijacking the convention. I don't like the fact the delegates decide who the nomination is and not the voting public, even if I don't agree with them.
And yes, this site is decided to Dr. Paul. And since Dr. Paul is dedicated to Freedom, Liberty and the Constitution it follows that anyone that Dr. Paul supports must likewise be so dedicated. Therefore it doesn't detract from Dr. Paul's run nor does it distract any but the most flighty from the mission that Dr. Paul himself has set, which is getting the message of Freedom and Liberty to as many people as possible. Additionally, its good to be aware of ANY prominent person who agrees with Dr. Paul on so many things.
As for Dr. Paul making the nomination, well...he himself certainly doesn't seem to expect it so it seems fair to theorize possible outcomes, even here, in this most sacred sanctuary.
rokdevil
I do understand where you are coming from. The odds are stacked against Ron Paul getting the nomination, but we are not living in normal times, so many things are in flux that anything can happen! Look at the quality (or lack of) of the others running, what if people start waking up to the mess our country is and start demanding changes, the ones Ron Paul is committed to. Yes, I am enthusiastic because I believe he still has a chance, there have been other historic surprises. The problem I have with this post is the insinuation that it is a given that Ron Paul will not make it, and the candidate mentioned, who may be a fine person, I do
not know has a better chance at it then him. Do you really think that people here that are working there butts off as delegates, and everything else is going to receive that attitude well? I think it is inappropriate to be pushing another presidential candidate ( I guess she in not even one yet)here untill that is the only choice we have. From most post, I have read no one here is going to pick one of the puppets running, and would just write Ron Pauls name in if they had to.
Write in Ron Paul
It is what I have said I will do, it is what I will do, and I hope it is what Ron Paul will do. I spent most of my life voting for third parties, due to this type of post I will be far less supportive in the future. I am in a state where we have not even had our primary, posts like this irritate the piss outta me.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Will you support a LP nominee that Ron Paul
endorses? The gop turns their back on rp, then the rp diehards (not true supporters) turn their backs on the LP. It doen't make sense. Be aligned with the party that has been fighting for you and the constitution for over 35 years, new kids on the block.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
no
personally ill vote my conscience. I dont beleive a 3rd party could win this election-with or without RPs endorsement. Ill write him in and no matter what happens Ill be able to sleep at night.
So its better
to take the high ground and sleep easy at night...while the country is possibly dragged into a war with Iran...then to make the hard decisions and hope that your vote made a difference. I'll vote for Dr. Paul if he's on the ticket. Otherwise I just want to ensure that McCain doesn't get elected. Its kind of like cutting off your arm that's pinned under a rock to save your life...you don't want to do it but its do or die. Sometimes there aren't any good choices.
I agree - this post really sucks
Really need to drop this talk-up of any other candidates running for president except Ron Paul. He is the man until he officially drops out, which he has not done and will not do! We are still working hard for him because we believe there is still a chance.
I Will Write In His Name for President!
So take your campaigning for anybody else elsewhere please!
RON PAUL or BUST
RON PAUL or BUST
I find it hard to believe that Dr. Paul would
not be elected to congress as a LP candidate in his Texas district. His constituents are voting for the man not the party. Besides he already beat his only gop competition.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
It's Not About Ron Paul
All of you guys talking about how this post doesn't support Ron Paul are missing the point, I think. Dr. Paul himself has said that the freedom movement isn't about him. This revolution is about promoting liberty. Whether you're getting active in your local Republican Party, or joining the Libertarians or Constitutionalists, or signing up for the Free State Project, the point is that you promote freedom and liberty.
Sure, we can disagree on the best way to do that, but nobody should be disparaged as along as they are doing something to oppose tyranny.
Not missing any point
This IS about Ron Paul untill he tells us himself, he is no longer running. Why do you think people are working their tails off, scraping up donations, and putting all of the energy and time in for him to get the nomination. The focus should be on that, not other candidates and what they think, that can come later if they want to be a part of what he will put into place.
I would think that Dr. Paul
I would think that Dr. Paul will do I I will do: WRITE IN THE NAME OF RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
I keep thinking that Ron
I keep thinking that Ron Paul will cast his ballot for Ron Paul!
nothing says "screw being a delegate for Ron Paul"
like posting the virtues of another candidate on this site. I am floored by the amount of support that this is receiving. Ron Paul says that he is in it till the end....that through the delegate process we can effect significant changes- not least among them his nomination. We are making major strides in the area of delegates. This woman has no chance of doing anything but being a spoiler this time.This whole revolution is about getting our country back- slicing Ron Paul's voting block in half will circumvent all of our effort thus far and Ms Ruwart stands only to gain an asterisk in the 2008 election. GOP delegates are where the progress will be made.
Yes, and the convention is September, not November.
If Paul gets the Republican nomination or reverses the decision he EXPRESSLY communicated to the LP that he doesn't want the LP nomination, no other Libertarian candidate is going to be a spoiler.
Does anyone here think it was a betrayal by Paul to run for reelection in Congress, given that this is an acknowledgment he may not be elected President in 2008? I didn't think so.
Ron Paul is planning for the future. He knows that he is fighting for the IDEAS of liberty, and what is why he has my undying gratitude, and why I worked hard for his campaign. I'm not an outsider who joined this forum just yesterday to post this message.
It's one topic on this forum. It didn't kill you to read it, and if you go to those links, you'll find information that will make you a better advocate for Ron Paul, and find nothing about Ruwart's campaign.
Ok ...i read this twice
are you honestly suggesting on the Daily Paul that we should vote for someone other than Ron Paul in November? Im writing him in if I have to!
Actually I suggested no such thing
I merely indicated who Ron Paul is probably going to vote for in November, and then described the reasons I believed this was true. Absolutely NOWHERE in my post did I tell people here to do ANYTHING.
I worked hard for Dr. Paul and gave $1,000 of my own money to the campaign. I assume that those people still posting to the Daily Paul are going to keep working on his election until Paul tells them to stop, and some will ignore Paul's wishes and continue even then.
Heck, I didn't even post a link to her campaign web site, only to a couple of her writings that will be helpful to people defending libertarian views in order to assist the campaign of Dr. Paul.
I believe a few people here are happy that the leading LP candidate is someone Ron Paul respects so much. I'm one of them.
Please read it a third time.
We could read it a hundred times
We are here to get Ron Paul elected, that is why we are called his supporters, so if you are suggesting that he will be voting for your lady, you are saying he will have dropped out. Pretty clear what you are saying. Her views will not give us insight on Ron Pauls views, his views will give us insight on his views. Congratulations on your chosen candidate, but this site is for ours.
Chill out.
DOCTOR Ruwart is a professional contemporary and friend of Dr. Paul. Their views are similar, and their party labels different.
No one disputes that DailyPaul is about electing Dr. Paul.
But in that process we are also made aware of competition and complementary candidates. Dr. Ruwart, although not yet the LP nominee, is both.
I agree, as does antboy, that the beginnings of the post were ill-advised. But that's no reason to pillory him for it.
All antboy did is mention another candidate was running. Leave it at that.
On second thought, you're right about the opening sentence.
I should have left it out. I think the remainder of my post was appropriate and useful.
He endorsed the bloody book!
Don't tell me a book that has his endorsement on the back cover says nothing about what Ron Paul believes. What's funny is that I provided a link to Ruwart's writings on this site last year, specifically to help us support Paul, when Ruwart was not a candidate and had expressed no interest in becoming a candidate. The only links I proceeded in THIS topic were to her writings on issues, not to her campaign site, and while there are a couple of differences, 95% of their views are identical.
Anyway, your point is made, my point is made, and this is the only topic I intend to start on the subject.
"I think I know who Dr. Paul is going to be voting for in Nov.."
The clear implication is that he will not be on the ballot. The suggestion is obvious. I respect that you are already on to "the next big thing" but you need to respect that many of us beleive in this campaign and see that we need to work as hard as we can to gain the nomination- this sort of post can wait until RP drops out of he does and then Im sure that he would make the suggestion himself- until then this thread is demoralising to anyone who has fought like hell and made sacrifices to this campaign.
You're right.
The opening sentence was totally inappropriate on this site, and I apologize.
You read it correctly
and so did I, pretty unbelievable.
Anyone know...
if she's pro-life?
Every question you might think of asking ...
... has probably been addressed by her in the "Ask Dr. Ruwart" column she has been writing for the non-political Advocates for Self Government for several years (http://www.askdrruwart.com). As a pro-choice man married to a pro-life woman who both see things the same way politically, I'd like to note that:
(1) The rate of abortion in countries where abortion is illegal is at least as high as where it is legal. The goal is to actually have abortions not take place, and not just to change their legal status. Neither alcohol nor abortion prohibition worked in this country, and the latter it isn't working now around the world.
(2) Abortion rates have dropped in this country for 20 straight years, even under Roe. Abortions are not available in 87% of the counties in the US, because there are no abortion providers in those counties. Compassionate persuasion and social pressure work.
(3) Abortions have dropped because of effective persuasion by pro-life groups, increased social acceptance of single mothers, increasing prosperity, some loosening of restrictions on adoptions, and greater awareness about birth control.
(4) The best answer in the private sector is to continue to persuade people and accept single mothers in the community.
(5) The government can best help by deregulating the economy to increase prosperity faster, eliminate restrictions on adoption, including the power of government social workers to prevent interracial adoptions and adoptions by same sex couple, and abolish the FDA so that effective birth control can be both developed and advertised freely (Dr. Paul's nomination of Dr. Ruwart to be FDA Commissioner was not an accident). Also, nobody should ever be forced to pay for an abortion against their will, and that means ending taxpayer funding for Medicaid abortions and Planned Parenthood.
(6) If abortion should be treated as murder, then the pregnant woman should face life in prison or execution, according to one's position on capital punishment. The fact that virtually nobody advocates this demonstrates that people rightfully believe there are solutions other than legal responses that are more appropriate.
(7) If the goal is to bring abortions down to the level where medical necessity is the only reason anyone will ever consider it, WE'RE WINNING, and we're winning by using the private sector. We would be progressing faster if government got completely out of the way.
THANK YOU!!
I just have the feeling that something GREAT will shake out of this election. Paul will be associated with the next administration in some form.
I don't know HOW, but I really FEEL it!!