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PLEASE STOP POSTING SAYING THAT THE 5TH EFFORT IS HURTING FUND RAISING.

PLEASE STOP POSTING SAYING THAT THE 5TH EFFORT IS HURTING FUND RAISING.

People are giving daily, and the campaign is posting new funds from snail mail giving. Money is comings in...

STOP TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE EFFORT!



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My $100 will be done by mail.

"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "

The problem with your logic

The problem with your logic is that the Nov 5th "effort" IS hurting fundraising. People are giving, but not as much as they would be if everybody wasn't trying to get them to hold their money for a bomb on the 5th. The 5th is nice and all, but the official campaign's goal is for the end of the month, and that matters more than any of our "good" ideas.

Clinton raised 1.5 yesterday

Clinton raised 1.5 yesterday for her birthday and everyone has been talking about it on the TV. So if we can even break 2 on the 5th that is going to be good publicity and will get us back on track for the 12 million goal.

LOOKY HERE PEOPLE!!!

http://www.thisnovember5th.com/

I used this site to pledge $100 on the 5th and they allready have 10,000 other signators here as well. That's over $1,000,000 in 1 DAY.

So, if the fundraising is a little slow today and tommorow, just wait because the above site isn't even the only one doing it!

This will be a great media worthy event!

So everyone just stay cool and keep your shorts on until then!

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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
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The campaign is cool with it

I was not in favor of it originally, because on matters like this I think we should follow the official campaign's lead. But word out on the street is that they are cool with it, so I am cool with it.

My 88 year old mom is going to give $100 on Nov. 5. She has given several times with absolutely no suggestion from me. :-)

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

I have an idea.

If you don't like it , why dont you just shut up till its over. Its not hurting anything except maybe your delicate sensibilities. Its about the Ideas in the Movie, not real History. Sheesh! lighten up.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Ron Paul himself supports The 5th pledge

On the latest podcast interview, Ron Paul was asked about what he thinks about this pledge and if it hurts his financing. He said, no and "who wouldn't want people to organize to donate money".

These money bombs are great. Even though they may suck away some donations during the middle of the week, but what they do is actually get new people to donate that may have not donated under other circumstances and also repeating money bombs also encourage those same people to donate repeatedly. All very very positive, no matter what it does in a short term.

The donations still do come in, as new people join the campaign, its really pulling in people that have already looked around the campaign and are in. So this doesn't affect new comers. It takes time before they discover other adventures and start exploring.

Mass organize ourselves to donate repeatedly, in mass on single days I think is the best thing we can do as supporters. It will only encourage others to jump in with us.

I just posted

the november 5th link on Huffington Post...Naomi Wolf has a GREAT idea for November 6th...see her article on a great Sit Down for the Constitution!

Its a good read...and she has promoted Ron Paul's Bill HR 3835

Wolf article..

linky? :D cheers

I agree

In fact, if you don't think it's a good idea, either be quiet, or go watch V for Vendetta and then you will be enthusiastically donating on the 5th!

This is money that can save our country. Are you afraid of the "list", or are you afraid of someone thinking you're some nutjob because we are using the 5th because of the freedom message?

Don't be afraid of promoting your own freedom with a powerful message.

Since you asked...

"Are you afraid of the "list", or are you afraid of someone thinking you're some nutjob because we are using the 5th because of the freedom message?"

Neither. I think Guy Fawkes is a prick and anyone or any movie glorifying him is rewriting history.

He is NOT comparable to the founding fathers. They both wanted to overthrow the existing gov't... but the similarities stop there.

Guy had no qualms about killing countless innocent civilians who would have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. He also planned to kidnap the innocent children of those he hated. To the best of my knowledge, the founders never intended harm to the children of the English soldiers who were over here fighting... they just wanted to defend themselves vs the aggressors themselves.

A more apt comparison for Guy Fawkes would be Timothy McVeigh.

We both know I'm in the minority on this among Ron Paul supporters... so don't ask any more questions and I won't provide any more answers.

I agree and disagree

I think Evan42 points out something very important. I would say, at least I know I fit here, most of us don't really have the amount of information and knowledge to genuinely say we know who Guy Fawkes is. I never knew of him till the movie.

However, the sentiment of what we think he represents is what we are attaching ourselves to. I think this is the case. As someone else said. It's about change. Clearly, the guy ;) represented change. So it's not so absurd to try to enact this collaborative effort on this day, even if the person doesn't necessarily completely represent many ideas we hold. He at least represents fighting oppression and that we all should be able to connect with.

kind of

"However, the sentiment of what we think he represents is what we are attaching ourselves to."

If this 5th of November thing were purely an internal thing, then I'd agree with you. But since the goal is media exposure, then we're actually attaching ourselves to the sentiment of what potential, but not current, Ron Paul supporters think Guy Fawkes represents.

To not be conscious of how the 5th of November or Guy Fawkes is perceived by those people not already "with us" is idiotic.

If we're playing the "let's have a big tent and drop money bombs to advertise to get more people under our tent so we can win an election" game, why aren't we playing to win?

Turning off the layman on the street, by not being conscious of the perceptions of our actions (however well-intentioned they may be) and then defending it by saying "well screw them, we don't need their approval" is to ignore the whole point:
we do need them, don't we?

Isn't that why we're spending time and money to get "them"? We're not spending $2300 on ammunition and training so we can be like the founders and not care how poorly we're perceived by the majority of our English countrymen as we secede from them. We're specifically trying to appeal to the majority of our countrymen... isn't that how the election will be won?

Personally

I think November 11th would be the better day to do this. Remember, this is still a political campaign.

Guy Fawkes stuff was religious warfare. I am all for fund raisers of most any kind, but I'm going to focus on giving on the 30th and the 11th of November.

That's just my personal approach.

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Uhh, Evan

Last time I checked, the government has already been overthrown. It's been that way for many decades now.

"Give a man a gun, and he could rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he could rob the world."

V for Vajayjay

Guy Fawkes isn't the focus... but what he represents is.

Change... revolution... standing up for what you believe in, consequences be damned.

"consequences be

"consequences be damned"

That sums up the thinking of those who are barreling ahead with this idea, even though it's been clear from the fundraising over the past 2 weeks that NO ONE has been donating. Flatline. Dead. Anyways, I hope the campaign has the money they need for the advertising in early primary states.

The media

Yeah, some of you are right, the mainstream media is gonna LOVE this.

I'm sure there is a journalist or two watching and waiting for this so they can write a blazing article attaching Fawkes and RP together.

November 5th

The way I see it is that the establishment is freaking out about the November 5th money bomb day. The troll attacks on any forum is quiet vicious if this is brought up, e.g digg (who have banned Ron Paul stories from hitting the front page, yes they have face reality.)

The fact is that if 5 to 10M gets raised on the 5th of November then it will surely be linked to a historical day, the people vs a corrupted government.

This money bomb on November 5th will wake up millions of sheeple if it is succesful!

The corrupt establishment is freaking out over this.
Like was stated on a blog I read, on that day will Ron Pauls site crash due to the amount of traffic logging in to check the ticker?

Do we know of an official "digg" policy?

Or is it just the "bury Ron Paul" fanatics (hey, if they can call US names...)
JMR

digg?

Official digg policy as in they admit that they are censoring Ron paul stories?

I somehow don't think we will ever hear anything official on that even though this has been brought up a number of times, just a search on Google "digg censorship" brings up an interesting amount of information.

But yesterday was the clincher for me that proved it, that it isn't the buriers censoring Paul because the organised buriers were being buried themselves a lot faster according to people on digg at the time.

Check it for yourselves, scroll down to about the 4th post in this forum and see what you make of someone that was there at the time!

http://www.usadaily.net/

digg that bias...

Wow. That looks pretty conclusive. I wonder if the news media would find this story interesting?? Or maybe competing non-digg sites???
JMR

digg?

I presume you didn't actually click on the link and read the comments and failed to notice the uproar when the story had been removed?

And what do you mean by a competing web site? If digg is shafting its users and another site comes along offering thier services, well this is exactly what Ron Paul talks about, a free market!