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New Homegrown Terror Bill

Has anyone seen this one today being reported on FMNN.com?

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=50696

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If I was in the US. Screw email, screw the telephone, screw writing a letter, I would literally walk to my Rep's office - look him in the face, and go "what the f--- are you doing to my country?".

“If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution” ~ Abraham Lincoln

Oddly, the minority is taking the majority's rights. In a moral point of view, there is no question, that is justifys a revolution.

I just wrote

my Rep asking whether he had a chance to read this, and why he supported this rape of our liberties. I also wrote the senators asking them to oppose this when it comes before them, though I doubt McCain will.
http://www.jbs.org/

CALL THEM, WRITE THEM, EMAIL THEM!!!!

I hope for every posting you make about this resolution you send off at least an email to your senator...

Due to Ron Pauls message, we now have one of the most powerful political action groups assembled in the US in decades. Let's use it!! Flood your congressmans email box like we do with every good or bad reporter in the media.

I've studied this type of movement going back for decades and we have something that goes beyond the Barry Goldwater action groups. We have the capacity to make the John Birch society look like traffic cop on queludes.

goto senate.gov, look up your senator and email them, write them and call them, we have the numbers.

I keep a stack of premade addressed and postage paid envelopes for my rep and two senators read at all times. And by god they get a letter every time something like this comes up and I'm just one bloke.

Call them , email them, write them....they do listen and they do take notice. The Immigration reform bill was a prime example, the people spoke out and there were several key senators that would not budge from their constituency.

ACTION PEOPLE!!!!! MOVE ON IT!!!!!

CALL THEM, EMAIL THEM, WRITE THEM!!!

BUMP FOR EVERYTIME YOU CALL, EMAIL, or WRITE your senator

Just emailed and put two letters in the mail....

????

Has this bill been placed before the Senate yet??

I don't think so

It is headed there, that's my understanding. So get on the phone and call, and write a letter on top of that and mail it.

Unreal

I just printed out the bill and I am sick to my stomach. How could this possibly happen? Why in the world would the Congress pass this fascist bill? I'm going to have to email AND call my Congressmen tomorrow. God Help us.

Please forgive me for

Please forgive me for posting this, but this could trump all of that if true...

http://www.teamlaw.org/history.htm

I have been perusing their site all day.

Letter to Rep

Here is the letter I sent to my Represtentative. I hope it isn't too strong or wierd, but I was pretty upset when I read the bill.

Congressman Cleaver,

I am deeply saddened to write this. I will try to remain respectful, but it will be difficult as I have lost all respect for you. I was shocked to learn of a treasonous act when you voted for HR1955, the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. I thought the Patriot Act II and the Military Commissions Act were horrible because they gave the Federal Executive Branch the power to throw me in jail with out a trial, without a lawyer, and without time limits at their discretion for whom they deem an "enemy combatant" for breaking state laws. Now, with the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, they can do this for "believing" I am "thinking" of committing violent acts based on my political or religious beliefs. This is, in Orwellian terms, "The THOUGHT CRIME Prevention Act". In addition to illegal thinking, when this bill is enacted, I can be put in jail for taking part in an internet forum. Thomas Paine would be horrified.

I am going to write editorials to the KC Star, call and email radio stations, anything I can do to let people know your blatant disregard for the Constitution and those you pretend to represent. When Patriots and Constitutionalists take this nation back and restore the US Constitution as law, you and your fellow Congressmen will be held accountable! I am not a freak or a crazy person. I took an oath to defend the Constitution many years ago. I believe that oath was for life, unlike those of you in Washington that scoff and chuckle at the "quaintness" of it.

And I do realize (Do You?), if this bill passes the Senate, that what I just wrote to you is justification for the federal troops to put me in a prison in an undisclosed location for the rest of my life without charges. Hopefully you are at least man enough not to "tell on me" like a child.

Yours in misery and disappointment,

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

messed up but predictable.

That's pretty messed up.
Makes a guy want to move to Argentina. Or somewhere other than here.
We are not safe.
God bless America! And hurry!

Go Ron Paul!

none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

RE

This new terror bill with its definition of terrorism:

"`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

coupled with the "Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007" which:

"would give the attorney general discretionary authority to deny the purchase of firearms (or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses) to "known or suspected terrorists." The bill has been referred to Judiciary Committee."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive...

Now you can see where they are going with this. Get their new definition of terrorism codified in law and now all patriots will be banned from owning firearms with no due process whatsoever.

And this is how Dan Simpson, a retired diplomat proposed "The disarming of America" on April 25, 2007 in a Toledo Blade article:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200704...

"The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying.""

The U.N. has basically proposed that individuals do not have any right of self defense and that only governments can legitemately use force. Basically, they do not believe civilians can use force for any reason, and certainly not in righteous self defense against a tyranical government. And of course, our government seems very willing to go along with U.N. mandates.

I wonder if the sponsor's of the terror/tyranny bill would think Mike Vanderboegh is a terrorist for writing this response on The War on Guns blog to Dan Simpson's article in the Toledo Blade:

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/search?q=simpson+gun+confiscation

Well Said

I couldn't have put it into writing that well myself, same goes for Mike Vanderboegh in that last link. If and when an attempt is made to disarm American citizens, it will be a long and bloody fight.

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Your Senator....might do no good, but it can't hurt...I remember that brilliant piece of tyrannical sycophancy in the rusty blade when it first came out-nice segue
Mike Stahl

Mike Stahl

when internet is controlled....this is all we will see!

Exclusive: The Ten Most Dangerous Organizations in America (Part Three of Three)

Author: Jason Rantz
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: October 25, 2007

Certain organizations in America are growing powerful in American politics because the propaganda they push forward is taken as fact by many in the media and the general public. FSM Contributing Editor Jason Rantz lists what he believes to be the most dangerous of these organizations.

The Ten Most Dangerous Organizations in America

(Part Three of Three)

By Jason Rantz

With the help of the Internet, wealthy donors, and willfully ignorant newspapers and television networks, dangerous “hate” organizations are growing powerful in the world of politics. They aim to distort facts to push their own ideological agenda – usually at the expense of ethics, integrity, and morals. Unfortunately, these groups are propagandizing millions of Americans because biased newspapers, magazines, and cable news networks are knowingly treating the information these organizations spoon feed them as fact.

Hatred knows no ideology, and there are groups like this on both sides of the political spectrum. They may not share the same dogma, but what they do have in common is their unwillingness to bend in their strictly biased view of the world.

Based on their effectiveness of disseminating propaganda, here are the ten most dangerous organizations in America:

10) Think Progress

When you and I think about progress, we think about securing our borders, fighting terrorism, and making the Bush tax cuts permanent. The progressive organization Think Progress, however, has something different in mind – the unrelenting bashing of everything Right is the way to progress in America. Think Progress is comprised of your standard progressive hypocrites who follow the mantra “state falsities enough until people think they’re facts.”

They believe in “vast Right wing conspiracies”. According to Think Progress, the Right is engaged in a massive “disinformation campaign” on the “manmade” global warming issue, and is upset that the Right has criticized Al Gore’s Nobel Prize win. Ironically, it’s Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” that has been accused by the scientific community of being misleading, incorrect and pushing disinformation. But, like many issues the Left holds near and dear, if you point out the falsities in Gore’s phony research, you hate the environment.

9) Muslim Student Association

Call me crazy, but as a Jew, I am very nervous about organizations that would like to see death to Israel. It’s just a personal preference of mine that Israel be left to… I don’t know… survive? That is why the Muslim Student Association (MSA) made the list. As Discover the Networks reports:

On October 22, 2000, Ahmed Shama, then-president of the UCLA Muslim Students’ Association, led a crowd of demonstrators at the Israeli consulate in chants of “Death to Israel!” and “Death to the Jews!”

MSA is a group that supports radical Islam that calls for the death of Jews, the wiping out of the United States, raises money for Hamas, and has many other ties to terrorist organizations.

8) CodePINK

CodePINK is a “women-initiated grassroots peace and social justice movement working to end the war in Iraq, stop new wars, and redirect our resources into healthcare, education and other life-affirming activities.” While that makes our hearts flutter, CodePINK is nothing more than a far- Left group of loony, hypocritical women who don’t seem to care about the lack of women’s rights in Iraq or Iran. These people want peace at all costs – all costs to the U.S included.

They pretend to care about our troops, but in reality they frequently use them as a way to attack conservative politicians and thinkers with whom they disagree. They accuse President Bush of treating our troops as “toys,” but also spend their resources defacing military recruitment offices and implying our recruiters are “assassins” (that sure is support for our troops, isn’t it?).

7) American Civil Liberties Union, National

Sure, I will admit that sometimes the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is on the right side of the law, particularly local ACLU chapters (their support for the “Bong Hits for Jesus” case was spot-on). It is their national organization, which frequently uses far Left interpretations of the Constitution to give unheard-of rights to terrorists that makes them such a dangerous organization. And despite their far-out ideas, the media loves the ACLU, giving them airtime to push their agenda on us.

6) Family Research Council

The Family Research Council is a far-Right organization that oftentimes does not contribute positively to debates, but takes hard lined stances on issues to the point where they simply don’t seem reasonable. I have no problem with religious organizations taking respectful stances on controversial issues, but FRC routinely goes too far. We know they are against homosexuality, but to bolster their cause they even criticize monogamous homosexual relationships as being unhealthy. Similarly, on the case of media decency, the FRC takes a firm stand that the FCC should have more power to censor what the group deems indecent, rather than stressing on parental responsibility to prevent children from watching certain television shows.

I believe in a lot of what the FRC preaches but when they needlessly go too far, it does them – and the nation – a tremendous disservice.

5) Center for American Progress

This liberal think tank does far less thinking than it does smearing and misleading. The Center for American Progress supports driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants, refers to critics who oppose illegal immigrants as “racists,” and suggests conservative SCOTUS Justices are somehow plotting to create a conservative America.

4) League of the South

It’s hard to believe a group like this still exists. The League of the South is a sexist and racist group of Southerners who call for the cessation of the South. They believe the household should be run by the male and according to the book “Terrorism and Organized Hate Crime,” “Founder Michael Hill, a former college professor, called blacks ‘a deadly and compliant underclass.’” The goal of this group is to create a South where they will withhold “support from all institutions and objects of American mass culture that are antithetical to our beliefs and heritage.” In other words, diversity of thought will not be tolerated: you either support them, or you don’t.

3) MoveOn.org

Whenever there is a patriot who happens to support a conservative viewpoint, MoveOn.org is there to smear. Whenever a conservative pundit can be taken wildly out of context to sound racist, stupid, sexist, MoveOn.org will be there to smear. Whenever a far Left Democrat needs some extra bullying because they are losing a political debate, MoveOn.org will be there to smear.

MoveOn.org, a far Left anti-war, anti-Republican organization, became a political player not because of their campaigns (which have resoundingly failed), but because of their well-to-do contributors and support from liberal leaders and liberal celebrities. While they have little effect on elections or policies, they are powerful because they are not only in bed with so many liberal leaders, but they do the liberals’ dirty work for them. Here are two notable failed campaigns by MoveOn.org:

- After attacking Gen. David Petraeus in a New York Times advertisement, there was a loud outcry from the Right and the Left, leading to a House resolution condemning that kind of smear tactic.

- MoveOn.org candidate Ned Lamont lost the general election to Independent Joe Lieberman.

2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.

1) Media Matters for America

You’re unlikely to find a more dishonest machine than Media Matters. Their entire operation involves listening to conservative talk radio and television commentators, taking anything out of context that they can, and running the host through the mud. They are professional smear merchants who routinely attack Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto.

Media Matters is virulently anti-free speech when the speech involved is conservative in nature. The organization actively issues directives to its readers to contact Rush Limbaugh Show affiliates to try to boot him off the air for the “phony soldiers” comment that organizations like Media Matters willfully took out of context.

Media does matter for America – which is why you should steer clear of the astoundingly inaccurate and unethical Media Matters for America.

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woo hoo!

Any questions?

If there were any questions as to why it is important to donate every scrap of cash you can muster to Ron.. this is why.

This is what we face if we loose.

It's either Ron Paul, or Fascism.

Tyranny Bill

The worst part of the bill is the definition of homegrown terrorism:

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

So, I guess it would be be illegal for patriots to threaten to use force in legitemate self defense. This defines homegrown terrorism as any threat of force in furtherance of a political or social objective, even if that threat of force is for legitemate self defense. So, this statement would be illegal if the sponsors of this bill have their way:
"I will defend myself with force against a tyranical government."
or
"I will defend myself with force if a tyranical government comes to confiscate my firearms."

If you have ever stated such sentiments then perhaps you are already on the government's terrorism watch list which is already at over 700,000 names. This is some scary stuff.

Scared...

Forget Hillary or Rudy McRomny blah blah.

Picture this......

Dick Cheney...
I’ve been scared for years that president Bush could die... I lose sleep over this.

They also PRIVATIZED it... by granting the ability to contract

Not in the article, but it *IS* in the bill itself. Essentially the "National Commission" that this thing creates can subcontract (with limitation other than "Appropriation Acts") virtually any and/or all of it's "powers" to any firm IT chooses to. (aka Blackwater USA, etc.)

SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE
[...]
(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:
(1) IN GENERAL-
(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may,obligation through for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.
(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.

Stick that in your tinfoil hat and smoke it.

You know I have long thought that the MAJOR problem with the Constitution is that there is NO FORM of accountability and/or punishment for legislators who pass laws in VIOLATION of the constitution or its amendments. Myself, I think we should re-legalize (for Government officials only) and add a provision for the constitutional-era punishments, either the stocks, or perhaps some good old tarring and feathering.for egregious cases.

No Vote

I'm absolutely sure the Good Doctor is tired and busy on the Campaign trail. But it seems that he has missed this vote. I really wish he could have been available to vote on this HR1955 Pre-Crime/ThoughtCrime, MindControl bill. Would love to have seen the likes of his "Neo-Conned" House Floor speech, from 2005(??) to let the world know where he stands on such issues.

I usually keep up with bills, especially the nutty ones, from GovTrack.us but apparently I've missed this one. This bill has been around since April. My Dem. reps all voted for this ThoughtCrime, Pre-Crime bill. Might as well call it HR1984.

Jeff Flake(R)AZ, a member of Ron Paul's Liberty Caucus, voted against it. I suppose since he has self-imposed a three time term limit for himself, and be leaving Congress after current term, I suppose I'd trade his vote for Ron's. In fact, Flake was only one of only six Congressmen, to vote against it. One of the few Libertarian leaning GOP in the Congress, who often votes with Ron Paul. Thank god. To bad he won't be around.

Kucinich, was the only one of the two Dems that voted against it. The remaining 3 are all GOP. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993

I hope my fellow Ron Paulites and freedom lovers everywhere are catching onto the fraud of the two party crime familia gig. The GOP tends to malign foreigners, and the Dems go after the domestic ones; the GOP target the "arab islamo-fascists," an absolutely delusional concoction, the dems target "red-neck militiamen," like innocent women and babies of Waco. Hope, most of us have caught on to this. The phony Left vs. Right paradigm is NOT working on the American populace, any more. We want our Constitution, our Republic, and our Freedoms, BACK!!!

I say we should pass a law advocating mandatory non-multiple choice, Constitutional test, as in, be able to write the entire text from memory along with their understanding of each clause next to each section, along with a mandatory psychological screening for anyone running for public office, except the Good Doctor, of course, yeah I know, I know, that's not fair, but what do you do when the entire 500+ members in the Congress are bunch of lunatics?? Pre-Crime, Aldous Huxley, 1984, Philip K. Dick, here we come!

A sad, sad, day, indeed. 94% of your servants, 404 in the House, just voted to destroy the Constitution. Hell, what seems to be, on the surface, a section that babbles on about the protection of our civil rights, (this coming from a Congress that believes the ExecBranch can have unlimited wiretapping powers for 6months before telling the FISA court, as a victory), is smaller than the section on the Commission's pay and travel expense section. What a bunch of petulant children they are!

I think the First Amendment should be changed to explicitly include freedom of thought, and conscience, and any attempt to legislate or enforce, mindcontrol or brainwash like the MK ULTRA by the Feds or the State should result in an immediate death penalty of the servant advocating it, after due process in an open public court, of course. How's that for "Non-Violent" deterrent??

What a hack Jane Harmon turned out to be. She was the head of intel committee on 911, who knew nothing that could have prevented the attacks. Abdicated her Constitutional oversight duty, again on the issue of Iraq's WMD before March 2003; so both the Dems and GOP is tellig us that with $44billion intel apparatus at their disposal, they could not figure out that the NeoCons were lying, when any of us could have told them that for free, with Google?

Sure Jane, Dems were against the war my ass. They first abdicate their duties, knowing Iraq will be another FUBAR, then they can simply quibble publicly and lay the blame on W, then continue to be the NeoCons themselves in 2008, whoring to the military industrial complex's campaign funds and pet projects.

How much more corruption can we take? Banana Republic, indeed.

Harmon goes around lambasting the neocons, yet she wants to do everything she can to legislate human behavior, the mind, and freedom of speech and expression. She's as hypocritical as Feinstein, who has a conceal carry permit, yet wants to rid the 2nd amend.

May be we should work to genetically weed out the scum and traitor gene? Any takers?

They need to be

Yep they need public humiliation for this one.
I wonder if half of them even read the damn bill.

This is outrages. I will be doing everything I can to get my Congressman out of office in my state who voted for this.

Blackwater coming to a town near you.

This is treason stuff our leaders are doing.

If Ron Paul wins nomination are we even gonna have an election in 08.

Already here

I have a blackwater guy living about 150 feet from me. I have a local cop who is affiliated with the Blackwater guy, who also went to Iraq to help train people. He lives only about 1 block from me.

I feel so lucky.

Did you click the link... Blackwater is a plumbing term...

for waste-water that is composed of fecal matter and urine. (cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_%28waste%29)

So which type lives near you?

haha

well.. I'd have to say both types!

This guy always wears his Oakley A-Frame sunglasses, usually his hat which is worn like an arrogant drill seargent look.. he has his shorter length tactical shorts on most times, and his nice authority mustache.

Don't forget his blackwater shirt that he wears quite frequently.

If you've seen how most Navy Seal instructors dress like, this guy looks just like that.

Not quite true...

Freedom of religion, ANY religion will be gone if this passes. Catholic, Protestant, does not matter.

I'm certain that ANY and EVERY religious group that is willing to place a cardboard cutout image of GW Bush, (presumably to be replaced by one of HRC), and which espouses and preaches COMPLETE OBEDIENCE and SUBMISSION to the federal government, will be allowed to continue...

Indeed, they will probably receive cash stipends and special grants enabling them to build bigger facilities, with perhaps more permanent marble statues of the Empress to replace those cardboard cutouts.

IF?

Don't you mean "when"?