Let's go to the convention
Submitted by roben on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 10:44
Question To long time republicans.
What will happen if the delegates get to the September national convention ....and ...... instead of voting for John McCain they vote for Ron Paul??
Would they be punished? How?
Stripped of their title delegate?
There is not a law that they cannot vote for Ron Paul right??
Only a party rule right?
If they break the rule would they be kicked out of the party?
Who would be afraid of that?? WHO?
They cannot be jailed or tortured can they?
Would they be sent to Iraq?
Tell me what is the worst thing that would happen??
If a thousand delegates that are pledged to McCain didn't vote for McCain what would happen to them??
Really!!!!
What is the worst thing that can happen??
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Ron Paul supporters support principle over party.
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.
So in the words of our forefathers...
Lets sit this one out ...
"Obamney care," Nuff said.
No, in honor of RP, in ROUND 1, do what you were elected to do
If it goes to Round 2, then all bets are off.
And, brother, will the "smoke-filled back rooms" come into play, then:(
If a Dem super-delegate was attempting to sell his vote for $20 *million* dollars, what can Romney's money buy?
How many other candidates have "stealth delegates" as a result of "publicly posted instruction" from RP supporters ?
Romney? Huckabee? Lou Dobbs?
I believe I've even seen Hillary being quoted that it's "about delegates".
Roben, what do you think the *ramifications* will be?
Given the fact that several state GOP orgs have already put into place total blocks for RP delegates to the national RNC, do you really think that the national GOP won't simply *assign* bound votes by state for the appropriate candidate FOR THE FIRST ROUND?
If it were me, I would already know exactly how many delegates were bound to vote by McCain for each state, as well as the grand total of bound votes for McCain before I convened the convention.
In fact, I would publish them, so any disputes could be resolved ahead of time.
There have already been many discussions on DP and RPFs about such a "revolt", as well as numerous articles and Fox interviews about such a "revolt" by *RP supporters*.
Do such discussions/articles help or harm those whose states still have to elect national delegates?
More importantly, let's say that any such revolt becomes visible, whether it succeeds or fails.
Can you imagine the media reports ***against*** the RP supporters?
The headlines would be about the "revolt" with minimal mention of the GOP nominee at all, whoever it might be.
Per public posts, if bound delegates defy their states and vote for RP IN ROUND ONE, they will be escorted out of the convention.
If *you* are the one who is escorted out and shown to the entire country:
1. Will your family be embarrassed and have to deal with interviews about your actions?
2. Will your *employer* fire you for being embarrassed by your unethical action of defying the rules under which you were elected?
3. Will you have eliminated any future political career, because you broke your word/the rules under which you were elected?
I cannot believe that RP would *ever* accept the nomination under such circumstances, because it would be a total violation of his own personal value system and integrity.
So, all of these *publicly posted* discussions and articles about "revolts" have likely already eliminated RP's possibility of speaking at the RNC.
It is highly unlikely that RP would accept any nomination based on such actions.
That means that these proposed actions have nothing to do with RP's expressed wishes of building a power base over time within the GOP, but everything to do with disrupting the convention in such a way that RP, all of his legitimate supporters, and the GOP party will be permanently damaged.
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT RP REQUESTED THE GRASS ROOTS TO DO! AND SUCH ACTIONS BETRAY EVERYTHING THAT RP HAS STOOD FOR OVER HIS LONG CAREER!
Frankly, all of you posting in favor of such a publicly visible disruption *IN RP'S NAME* scare the h*** out of me!
Question: At what point do these discussions legitimately meet "terrorist plans of actions" in terms of the Patriot Act, or even the use of tasers due to riots or triggering riots at the RNC?
If the various RP events being planned are dealing with security arrangements, I can only imagine the security arrangements, *training*, and instructions being given for St. Paul.
And it won't matter whether the person who is the trigger is an RP supporter or someone hired to appear to be an RP supporter to disrupt the RNC.
Thank you
For the worse case scenario
"Obamney care," Nuff said.
Making plans
To make history !!
"Obamney care," Nuff said.
ok
The worst thing for this country is to not oppose the CFR control of this election and allow them to continue destroying the freedoms of this country.
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.
What about abstaining for
What about abstaining for the first ballot?
I think an alternate would
I think an alternate would come in. We need to be the guys in the white hats. The "good" Republicans. We can accomplish SO much in the next 4 years..
I avoid listening to Hillary
if I can possibly get out of it. But I am pretty sure I am hearing her ask delegates to switch to her.
Will you
Go to the convention even if you are not a delegate and bring your Ron Paul signs to demonstrate support for him outside the convention center?
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.
What MUST happen first
What MUST happen before you do this is we have the convention process for 2 days, then the presidential nomination day. The KEY thing that HAS TO BE DONE for you to be effective is a call for a "vote of no confidence in John McCain". If that motion is carried, then we immediately move to unbind the delegates. If that motion also carries THEN we can vote in Dr. Paul.
Learn the procedure and system if you plan on attending the conventions as a delegate, alt, or at large. Reads Robert's Rules of Order and watch some conventions on youtube or public meetings on CSPAN to get familiar with how a convention works.
Vote Ron Paul!
No free person is bound to do anything, read the Constitution. We also have Unalienable rights from God to do what we belief is right.
Haha..
.. you sound like you think you are living in an anarchy.
You ARE bound to laws that don't violate the Bill of Rights. The Constitution defines how laws and penalties are legislated, judged and executed and also how those functions are divided between the federal and states.
Civil disobedience is breaking the law in protest, and is cool, like Dr. Paul says, IF you are willing to pay the price.
You have no "right" to do anything and be free of consequences even if it is a Creator given right....
and you sound like a McCain Lover!
By the way, are you a delegate yet?
Good luck,
Latinos for Ron Paul
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
Umm..
.. which of my assertions do you disagree with? Or are you just content to call me a name?
=)
Yeah, Mart! And I hear you
Yeah, Mart! And I hear you couldn't hold SGP's jock, is that right? Filthy rumors ... *tsk tsk*
Ewww...
=P
What ...
one too many marts to funch? ;-)
Since "martfuncher"..
.. is a spoonerism (swapping the first two letters) it means "anti-fartmuncher" kind of like "anti-onevoiceoftreason".
;)
In most states...
In most states the "delegates bound" rules are actually state statutes or backed up by state statute and you can have a civil case brought against you by both the state and the party.
If you lose a civil case you have to pay BOTH SIDES legal expenses and possibly a fine.
If you are willing to pay the expenses and fines then go for it. If you aren't willing or able to pay then research your states party rules and state statutes before you "revolt".
A state law can't be enforced
in another state.
Revolt
may be the only answer....
In the..
... traditional sense, perhaps.
;)
Previous examples?
Are there any past examples of civil suits being brought against a delegate and how much were the fines?
We have money bombs for other things so we could chip in if someone actually has a suit brought against them!
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Google..
.. this ["court case" bound delegates "national convention"] (include the quote marks) and you will find various court cases involving national conventions and delegates.
They don't happen very often, but then again having the delegates of a candidate with 4% of the primary vote trying to take delegates away from the presumptive nominee probably has never even happened before.
The spirit of the statutes and rules regarding "delegates bound" simply try to cause the percentage of delegates who support a candidate at the convention match the percentage of the vote that candidate received in the primaries. Barring vote fraud in the primary, this seems infinitely fair and reasonable to me. If vote fraud is an issue then the vote fraud needs to be addressed separately.
The big issue here is that Dr. Paul's clear message, vision and his recent efforts have been focused on becoming part of the GOP for the future and to have the delegates participate in the future. A delegate "revolt" would only serve to defy Dr. Paul's clear message to his supporters, impede his progress in what he is working to do and in the end only embarrass him.
I understand that people want to have a "Braveheart" headrush and make a big Hollywood-style statement, but that will do nothing to help in building a coalition for future work in a political party. That's just not how political parties work... at all.
Political parties are about building coalitions through persuasion. If someone wants to "revolt" why not just go find or form another party? Revolting certainly won't aid in building any coalition for the future within the GOP which is Dr. Paul's precise vision...
If you're on the verge of bankruptcy anyway
go for it! Vote Ron Paul!
Lawsuits be damned.
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Haha..
=P
Will they roll civil case fines and legal expenses into a bankruptcy?
Possible civil suit by the party???
___________
Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Yup...
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