How to become legally free via the Redemption Service??
Ok all, I've been doing a LOT of reading and I think it is about time for me to call it a night. I don't even know what to think anymore, but what I've stumbled into has really shocked me beyond belief and being tired probably isn't helping much. I'm looking for a sanity check here, so please help me out. If this is the truth, or even partly the truth about what has happened to our nation...well, I don't even know what to say or think about it at this moment. Basically I've been reading about the 14th "Amendment" or so-called "Red Amendment" and other such things relating to the money masters and our current out of the framer's intent system of government. I also read information about the UCC and how apparently one can reclaim one's title and become secure and out from under the grasp of the system. Here is the link. Please check this out and let me know what you think, I really appreciate it. The more opinions the better. Thanks.
You don't need permission to
You don't need permission to be free you just need knowledge. The UCC can be helpful depending on what you want to do however it is thier commercial law and not necassary to be free.
Right now there is a huge movement across the land to organize the men and women on the counties at large and bring forth the republic. Check it out and start learning: http://freeassembly.info
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does any one know of some one willing to sell the redemption 4
im looking for a used version some one willing to share this info
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So if the bankers are forced to stand trial and they do this
Is that ok? What if GW Bush admitted fully that he knew about 9-11 and lied about Iraq, but said, "and you can't get me cause I'm legally free" Is that cool? How about illegal immigrants, declare themselves free and they don't have to worry anymore, right? And the guy who just rear-ended your car is free too--the check's NOT in the mail. You're either playing along with the system or hiding from it, there's no such thing as "legally free". Even if there is, it won't get you out of jail---steel bars are not swayed by what papers you file, and the warden doesn't care either.
Everyone who has gone down this rabbit hole and thinks there's something to it has never been in trouble or thinks that somehow their personal conviction can unlock handcuffs. I say good luck.
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Being free does not mean you
Being free does not mean you have the right to harm or oppress others
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Forget about the Redemption stuff
State National is the only way out. There is no State Citizenship, and the Straw Man is mainly to get ones self out of taxes. The theory of the Straw Man is good, but you MUST expatriate and become a State National to get out of the System. One cannot use their laws to get out from under their Laws (code). One must use the Old Law which is still in force to get out from under their New Law (code).
One cannot be a State Citizen. A Citizen is one who is under the Dominion of a Government. If I am a Citizen of Texas, then there MUST be a Government of Texas for me to be a Citizen of. But there is NOT a Government of the Republic of Texas, as under the 14th Amendment the Texas government was replaced with US Citizens. Therefore the Texas Government is in fact merely an extention of the US Government, filled with US Officials whom have their first Allegiance to the US Government. If one expatriates to their State Citizenship, then by default they are STILL US Citizens as they are claiming to be a Citizen of a State that us under JURISDICTION of the United States, and therefore the Citizens of said State are also under Jurisdiction of the United States, and Citizens of the United States.
Read everything on the PAC sites, and also read everything on the following site, His Holy Church, which is a site by Brother Gregory. Brother Gregory is a frequent guest of LB Bork's on the weekly radio show of PAC. Everything that is being done to us is not new, its been done many times before in history. The Bible is an account of this and Brother Gregory having studies Greek and Hebrew language will help people see that the Bible is NOT a religion, but is instead man's documented history of how to remain Free by not making Covenants (contracts) with THEM. It was a Covenant with the Egyptians that the Hebrews made that put them into bondage, and it is today a Covenant that puts us into bondage. Through PAC and His Holy Church, as well as a LOT of studying of the Law, one can discover that there IS a way out of this Covenant. In a nutshell the Covenant, "you accept benefits from them, therefore you are bond to also accept the burden". The burden is the requirement to live under THEIR system of Law (code). The benefits are numerous are are not limited to finacial benefits.
http://www.hisholychurch.net
A site which will be benficial in obtaining needed study material:
http://brockport.net/republicvsdemocracy/catalog/
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Why do you say forget about the redemtion stuff?
It is hard to find good info on it - seems like the people into it lay REAL low. I can appreciate that, it looks like they put Roger Elvick through a kangaroo court and sent him up the river, basically just for sharing what he had found out. If you have more info on this, please share? Thanks.
Here's a link for a lot of
Here's a link for a lot of information on what happened to the people who came up with this.I don't disagree and while researching I found this article from 1999.I know it's from the ADL but there's a lot of info on what happened to the people who started this movement.
Hope it helps.
http://www.adl.org/mwd/redemption.asp
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees...
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees...
The US Code only applies to
The US Code only applies to those ones whom are under the Jurisdiction of the United States, and it applies to ALL whom are under ITS Jurisdiction. Tell me, how does this Redemption remove the Jurusdiction of the United States from an individual?
Man will be either ruled by Nature, or he will be ruled by Tyrants. BUT, he will NOT be ruled by BOTH. One must chose which ruler he choses to be ruled by.
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Ah, that's the thing, it doesn't do that at all.
Here is the premise, which I have found to be genuine so far, and have looked into the "shady" aspects and I think I can explain why it has a bad reputation. . .
The premise is that the United States of America Corp is actually a global corporation which is actually incorporated out of Great Britian. I.e, the original country that was founded 230 years ago went bankrupt in 1933, dissolved, and this new organization was layed on top of the system that was here. It is calles, the United States of America (Inc.) This is a global corporation, with subsidiaries called things like the "United Nations," the "World Bank," and the "International Monetary Fund." But see, the actual nature of the strucure is commercial, and the "currency" is entirely based on debt instruments. Immediately after this new corporation took over, a public policy was passed called House Joint Resolution 192 (HJR-192), which states that the preferred shareholders of the corporation cannot be required to pay debt obligations with debt instruments.
Prior to 1933, our currency was redeemable, but the NEW US$ is a Federal Reserve Bank debt instrument. To wit, if you have $100, you actually OWE the FRB $100. Whoever hold these things is holding a debt to the FRB, BUT HJR-192 states clearly that the preferred shareholders of the corporation CANNOT be compelled to pay their debts with debt.
So who are the "members?" Well, I represent a strawman, by the same name (but in all CAPS), and an corporation id number, called the SSN. Right, so our strawmen are corporations set up under this "new" corporation, which has the same name, but is not the same at all fundamentally, as our former country.
Why is the US$ the world reserve currency? Well, some would say "petro-dollars," or simply say that our global military presence is te carrot/stick way of enforcing this US$ standard. However, closer examination reveals that the US$ is simply the "currency" of this new global corporation. This global corporation which has set up subsidiaries all over the world, taking the names of the former countries where they are now located - and according to U.N, WB, and IMF statutes, ALL of these currencies - at the end of the day - need to be converted into US$ for "proper accounting." This corporation, the U.S. of A., which is simply an expression of the "former" British Empire, and which operates under the Universal Commercial Code of contracts, i.e., maritime-admiralty law of the sea.
So when you walk into any court in the world basically, their contractual obligations, oblige them to hold up the UCC above and before all other "laws" or statutes. This can work for or against Citizens, but it is important to remember that 1) ignorance is not a virtue here, and 2) these courts, police, and BAR (British Accredited Registry) are extortionists of high order - and they are foreigners who essential are contractually obligated to work within the UCC codes, above anything else, and there is a reason for this in the accounting of the whole picture. They are extortionist because they use these codes, and our ignorance of them, to their enrichment.
When the "U.S.of A." floats Treasury Bonds, WHAT is backing them??? The answer is the preffered shareholders of said corporation. WHO are the preferred shareholders? 123-45-6789, MARY JANE DOE, and all her American brothers and sisters. What is backing the national debt, legally and commercially speaking, is the work that MARY DOE will do, all the cemmerce she will engage in, over the course of her life. So what rights or privelidges do the preffered shareholders have, after their life's work has been put up for collateral in debts incurred by a BANKRUPT corporation?
The answer is shocking. The answer is that because MARY DOE is the preffered shareholder of the bankrupt corporation, her commercial right and priveledge is to be the first creditor to be paid back. And these "set-off" of the national debt are called "exemptions." And we are all familiar with that word, but now it takes on much more important ramifications. Now we see that we don't want to TAKE exemptions, we can SELL our exemption. When we sell our exemption, the corporation we sold it to. for real property, is now able to "write-off" that "income." In other words, they DON'T pay tax on that amount of money - simply because they are helping the U.S.of A. corp pay off that much of it's public debt. That is not only in their ability, it is their RESPONSIBILITY if/when, a preferred shareholder requests it - in order to pay down their "public" debt, which allowed the corporation to run, borrow in special ways to raise capital, and exist in the first place.
ALL of the corporations' charters in this country, and the rest of the world that is run under the WB, IMF, all of their charters require them to be a part in collecting and PAYING OFF the debt of the mother corporation. But see, you can't pay off a debt with a debt! And when you pay your bills with FRNs, that's exactly what you are doing - but HJR-192 made it Public Policy (which is the only thing that supersedes the UCC), that the preferred shareholders CANNOT be compelled to pay their debts with debt instruments.
So what the redemtion process is, it instructs how to pay for anything from an incorporated entity with our tax exemptions! And when that happens, the debt is eliminated off of the global books. A debt was not paid with a debt, it was paid with an exemption from the U.S. Treasury. No FRNs go anywhere.
"This is ridiculous" most would say. You can't get something for nothing. That is true. What is also true is that the debt is originally based on YOUR LIFE'S WORK and engagement in the commerce of the system. Most would say "That's a good way to wind up in jail." Well, I wouldn't have gone into it this much if I thought it was an inevitable conclusion. From what I have seen so far there are quite a few people who know how to negotiate the extortionist courts, call them out when they try and intimidate, and report them, and any "corporations" who don't honor public policy to the IRS, U.S. Treasury, and/or the appropriate channels. This is NOT for the faint of heart - but it is the ONLY WAY that the national debt gets eliminated.
I've got more thoughts, but I yield the floor for now.
please help me find the redemption manual 4 used
Or someone willing to let me study it i've been going to the Jenking law library in philly and am about to start studying the Summers UCC wich is recomended by the cracking the code 3.d. but the redemption service says that some of there methods or not enough im not asking for someone to do it for me i know that i have to earn it and i will continue to study on my own even if it takes a life time i have to save myself and then save my daughter
A BIG long post, that
A BIG long post, that confuses the Masses. Its really very simple, not so confusing. ARE YOU UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION? If you are then you must follow their law (code). If you are under the Jurisdiction of Ceasar, then you must give unto Ceasar that which is his.
The 14th Amendment, also known as the Civil Rights Amendment. It is just that, the Civil Rights Amendment. If you take the US Citizenship, then you have Civil Rights, not Unaleinable Rights also known as Natural Rights. If you take the US Citizenship then you agree to be ruled by these Civil Rights (code) instead of Unalienable rights (natural rights). You make a Covenant with Ceasar and under the Natural Right to unlimited Contract, you contract away your claim to Natural Rights and agree to abide by Civil Rights (code), RIGHTS WHICH ARE LEGISLATED.
The Redemption stuff is based upon using THEIR code against them, not entirely removing yourself from their code. Problem with that is that their code is subject to change through Legislation. Decision of a Judge is equal to Legislation. So under Civil Rights a Judge need merely decide against your argument in order to CHANGE THE FACTS that your argument is based upon. Relegislate the Law (code) in court.
Removing ones self from Civil Code, Jurisdiction, is the only way to obtain LAWFUL freedom. Using their code to "Redeem" yourself is futile as they merely need to change their code to re-entrap you.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
No, I don't think you understand it fully.
Or at least, your detriment I am seeing as a benefit. You ask if, with this "process," you under their jurisdiction. I clearly laid out that yes you are, and it is to your benefit if you understand that system. It can be hairy if you slip up, I'm sure.
on the other hand,
From what I've seen, lots of people get the contempt of court stuff, and police harassment, going the common law route - so it's not like that's just all fun and games, either.
You can call that freedom, and I appreciate that. Perhaps you feel you have a strong psychological affinity toward that (you do, obviously and I respect that), but I am free in spirit, and practice shape shifting. So it is "freeing" to me to understand the REAL system they are using, and to start to develop the confidence that you can "become" a player in their in that game and beat them. And if you don't think you can't "beat" the extortionists, then you don't know enough about commercial redemption, and the people who've used it.
Also, what's with your comment about "confusing the masses" with my post. That's your judgment, buddy, and I'm not under your jurisdiction. I was explaining what I know, and think I laid out the fundamental principle as well as it could be done. Admittedly, it is a crazy beast to wrap your mind around - but obviously some people have done it. So sorry of you're too slow, or you have no faith in other people's abilities. . . (wink)
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You can beat them, I agree
You can beat them, I agree and realize that, until they change the rules. And they could change the rules WHEN THEY BRING YOUR CASE INTO COURT. It is can be change on the spot, without new code being written. The Judge has the ability to Legislate by decision. There may be 10 people that have won their case, that does not guarantee that you will win your's.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
With all due respect, Texas,
Those UCC rules haven't changed in hundreds of years, and our legislature has no bearing over those codes.
I have not read all of the information I need to, to make a call to pursue this in fact or not. However, it seems to me that you CAN beat them every time. Yes, you have to work within those codes, in the midst of a corrupt courtroom. HOWEVER, that judge IS accountable for upholding those codes.
The only time people have fallen is when they did not apply the knowledge correctly. That's what I've seen. That does not mean that it can't be done correctly. It can and it is by at least a few people who practice this.
But what you say about the corrupt judges applies equally to those invoking common law. Those people go down pretty often, and at least are harassed pretty hard, right? Freedom aint easy these days. But I don't think that eliminates either of these approaches from having a lot more value than simply being the strawman, like most people unwittingly agree to.
You’re probably sane, buddy. ;-)
For all my life (born in 1961) “superrich” mobsters spanning the globe have kept most of the world in disaster mode to somehow benefit the rich and powerful evil doers of the world. My advice to you: get away from the reading for awhile.
Someday those useless power-grabbing knotheads will learn that everything (I mean everything) was nothing but vanity—their own pathetic little worlds will cave in on them. Thrash begets trash.
To give you an example of how horrible things are, on two different occasions my Dad was nearly killed by government agents (back in the ’70s) for giving out details of the Federal Reserve System’s mafia activity.
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I found this:
And while it may not be related to the topic at hand, and may deserve it's own thread. It is something that follows along the same lines as taking back your straw man. It is about how to gain allodial title to your property.
This is something important to me, as is taking back my straw man, which I intend to do as soon as I can.
I hope everyone finds it interesting reading because this person made it easy to understand. Even for a public school drop out like me.
http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/work-in-progress/landpatent/lan...
Allodial title means supreme ownership. In the united
States of America, all property is allodial in nature.
This means that all property is subject to supreme
ownership by the people. This also means that federal
government activities which take private or public land
to use for environmental or biosphere purposes, are
illegally stolen from the people, who are their rightful
owners.
If you can obtain allodial title to your real property,
you will have effectively created an envelope in which
you reign supreme (e.g. the King has allodial title to
the castle and the kingdom). No zoning ordinances,
easements, bureaucratic regulations, state or federal
law have any effect on property held in allodium.
Literally, you have created a kingdom in the midst of
bureaucratic chaos, and you will never again receive any
property tax assessments.
Needless to say, the government does not want you to
obtain allodial title to your property, and they will
actively work to prevent you from doing so.
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Redemption is very real
I became a Secured Party Creditor (SPC) after learning about it from a friend who did it several years ago. Essentially it is taking control of the Strawman (your name in capital letters), which is a fictitious entity created upon your birth. It is this entity which gets you into the system and puts you under the control of it.. including the courts and IRS.
The result of owning your Strawman and copyrighting it is that no one else can use it.. ie the system no longer owns you.. and you are no longer subject to the controls imposed upon you. Take heed however that this is all still relatively new territory for us and it's vital that you learn as much as possible and tread lightly and carefully.
For more information watch "Money as Debt" and "The Money Masters", both of which are on YouTube. A great resource is The Americans Bulletin at http://the.americansbulletin.org/ . You can get a number of books there, in particular the "Redemption Manual" which my brother and I and his son have all used to file and take control of our Strawman and free ourselves from the system.
The best!
John Michael Christian MScD
Sovereignty is real
and it is very close to free if you do your homework. there are many services that will assist you in this endeavor if you're too lazy to research it yourself, but i wouldn't recommend that route. it has to be taken very seriously; it's more than just some papers that you file, it's a way of life. redemptionservice.com wont be there to help you when the NWO summons you to their kangaroo courts. a sovereign should be able to do cartwheels around attorneys and judges, or they aren't worth a damn. if you cant keep up, don't step up; you'll just die.
for those of you that are willing to do some serious homeowrk on the topic, start all the way at the bottom of the page where it says "winston shrout: solutions in commerce"
here: http://www.geocities.com/uobvid/
after that, follow the rabbit down the hole and see how far it goes.
free yourself. question everything.
free yourself. question everything.
ive read one case, it made
ive read one case, it made mention to a second citizen, it was around the 14th amendment era, a us supreme court decision. im too tired and cant remember the case to find it now.
I understand your concerns, I agree with your position to proceed with cuation. when taking on the irs, your playing with a mean dog that will bite, so be careful and weigh it out, pick your battles.
I disagree with your being negitive with no legal postions other than to say its wrong and attempt to discredit other with no legal basis.
Reminds me of a sean hannity.
If you have some legal positions to why you are not in favor of these tactics, lets hear it.
thanks
Bookmarked
Thanks.
I'll check it out but
there is a big difference between a birth record and a birth certificate. A birth record is issued by the hospital NOT the state. It is a hospital record showing a child was born to (parents) on a specific date. This birth record will not get you into the military you must have a birth certificate for that.
A birth certificate is issued by the state and this is the nexis where parents surrender their children's natural born sovereignty over and make their child a ward of the state.
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I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
ALL CRIME IS COMMERCIAL CFR Title 27.72.11
Title 27: Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
PART 72—DISPOSITION OF SEIZED PERSONAL PROPERTY
Subpart B—Definitions
§ 72.11 Meaning of terms.
As used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires, terms shall have the meanings ascribed in this section. Words in the plural form shall include the singular, and vice versa, and words importing the masculine gender shall include the feminine. The terms “includes” and “including” do not exclude things not enumerated which are in the same general class.
ATF Officer. An officer or employee of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) duly authorized to perform any function relating to the administration or enforcement of this part.
Appraised value. The value placed upon seized property or carriers by the appraiser or appraisers designated for the purpose of determining whether the property or carriers may be forfeited administratively.
Carrier. A vessel, vehicle, or aircraft seized under 49 U.S.C. Chapter 11 for having been used to transport, carry, or conceal a contraband firearm or contraband cigarettes. Vessels, vehicles, or aircraft seized under other provisions of applicable laws shall be considered personal property.
Commercial crimes. Any of the following types of crimes (Federal or State): Offenses against the revenue laws; burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of deadly weapons; prostitution (including soliciting, procuring, pandering, white slaving, keeping house of ill fame, and like offenses); extortion; swindling and confidence games; and attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or compounding any of the foregoing crimes. Addiction to narcotic drugs and use of marihuana will be treated as if such were commercial crime.
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Couple Points:
"duly authorized" is the key - who authorized? If you take the stand of Judge Napolitano he says Congress can only make laws in 17 areas and the rest is verbooten to Congress.
Where in the Constitution does anyone have the right to regulate alcohol, tobacco, firearms, shipping, commerce, drugs???
If you have their state issued documents you must go by their rules. If you are sovereign - you are sovereign.
Why do Native Americans have different rules?
Why do Jehovah Witness' not have to have their picture on their "driver's license"?
Why do Mormons get special treatment with marriage?
Why do Arabs have a right to practice their faith in America but Christians can't?
The laws created have nothing to do with the Constitution, it is to bring the people into subjection. Where is the freedom and liberty? You can quote the law all you want, I know it too, but use the law for your benefit and see where it gets you.
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The commercial part of this is why I wrote.
I agree with you on the facts. I am just saying,I am the
Freeborn-Sovereign-Inhabitant ,the consumer,the lender the Cestui que. No more no less.
not only is real money illegal ,so is property ownership
If you let them tell you who you are then thats who you must be??
Not me, I am the Cestui que !
more info on redemption process..
and they aren't asking for money...
http://www.iff-ifoundfreedom.com/freedom/redemption.html
The only way to be free
The only way to be free today is to buy land in the country and start raising food for yourself and to pay your property taxes. Now this takes a lot of money but seriously its the only way unless You want to get together with a lot of people and form a commune in south america somewhere.