Beware: Eric Dondero supports Bob Barr
BEWARE! Ulterior Motives behind Bob Barr...
One notorious "enemy" of the Ron Paul Revolution, Eric Dondero (a disgruntled former Ron Paul staffer who was fired), who has written many ugly, ranting, negative smear articles against Ron Paul, is totally supportive of Bob Barr himself and the "Divide and Conquer" and vote-siphoning tactics of a Bob Barr vs. Ron Paul presidential run.
I, for one, am highly suspicious of Bob Barr. His record is really fishy -- very anti-civil liberties, unconstitutional, 180 degree flip-flops on many important issues. A war on drugs supporter but now he's not, etc. In fact, his record is the opposite of one of the things I love about Ron Paul -- whose spotless 30-year voting record backs up every single thing he says and believes in.
Here's what E. Dondero had to say about Mr. Barr in a recent comment to a Western Standard article "Bob Barr rEVOLution?" (yes, the title made me nauseous):
"Bob Barr will make a fine Libertarian Party Presidential candidate, perhaps the best ever, even eclipsing Ed Clark's high water mark of nearly 1 million votes (1.1%) in 1980.
Problem is the Party is in the grips of leftwing Anti-War Libertarians (many outright Anarchists), thes days. Most of the Pro-Defense wing has left for the GOP into the Republican Liberty Caucus, Club for Growth, ect...
Barr will get a substantial vote among just the hardcore Libertarian set - base of about 500,000.
But if he hopes to increase that into the millions, he'll need to walk a fine line on foreign policy, careful not to run away Pro-Defense libertarians who might be inclined to vote for him.
Just today we learn of yet another report about to be released showing how the Surge in Iraq has been a stunning success since September.
If Barr takes the Ron Paul non-interventionist/pacifist line and claims that the War is a "failure" he'll end up looking foolish and run off a great many potential libertarian Republican supporters.
Posted by: Eric Dondero | 6-Apr-08 7:10:39 AM
I have no interest in voting
I have no interest in voting for Mr. Barr. I would just as soon vote for Roseanne Barr.
Mike Gravel...no way in hell.
I see a lot of also rans are pitching in to try to ride our wave this year. Eight years ago I would have voted for Alan Keyes if he'd run Third Party, but not now.
There are two I would consider voting for...Jesse Ventura if he ran Libertarian, and Chuck Baldwin, if he runs Constitution.
This is on the assumption that they get nominated and Ron Paul is not running Republican, Third Party or Independent.
I'm guessing I'll probably be voting for Chuck Baldwin. Bob Barr has nothing to offer me, since he voted for the Patriot Act. Why should I trust someone who tramples the Bill of Rights?
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2 Questions
1)What would you do if Dondero endorsed Ron Paul?
2)What would you do if Paul endorsed Barr?
(1) Ignore what he says and
(1) Ignore what he says and support Paul anyway.
(2) Listen to his explanation of why I should vote for a lousy Republican supporter of the police state? Otherwise ignore endorsement.
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Should We Judge a Candidate By His Followers?
I'll just point out that Ron Paul does not support judging the candidate by a single individual who follows or endorses them.
In about 3 weeks you may get a chance to see Bob Barr debate on C-SPAN at the LP convention.
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I am so spoiled with the
integrity of Ron Paul it would be hard to vote for anyone else. Do they know the background on these candidates any CFR connections or skull and bones in the closet. We need to really scrutinize these candidates anymore because they have inside plants in every party it seems. Peace
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Watch this about Bob
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Watch this about Bob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOuRsnVny7Y
Eric's
Dr. Paul is still our no. 1 A and we will know for sure in September after the RNC. Of all the LP candidates, Barr has the best chance IMHO, if/when he officially run and can get the support of the purist libertarians and some anarchists. It it is a good strategy. If the LP polls at say 7% plus by August, the GOP will know they cannot win the election with McCain and may produce more incentive to nominate Dr. Paul, and Barr, Ruwart and some others will support Paul.
Dondero is a complete A**.
Dondero is a complete A**. His support can only hurt Barr.
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Once upon a time,
A long time ago, Eric Dondero said positive things about Ron Paul, too. I don't know much about Bob Barr yet, but I won't write him off immediately because of Eric Dondero. I'll have to decide what I think for myself.
Well, if Eric supports him...
Then we can probably write off Bob Barr. Eric has, over the last year, jumped on the bandwagons of Rudy Giuliani and Chris Peden, too.
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yeah not sure what to think about ole Bobby....
I love RP's platform, and the Constitution, of course, but I cannot deny that I am a right-wing anarchist (anarcho-capitalist). I will fight to defend the Constitution, because I believe it is the most important document ever conceived to date, however I would gladly trade it in for no government at all, and a society organized completely along the lines of free market principles, pure private property, and completely voluntary association.
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul
Damn!
That's hardcore! But I kinda like it, compared to the current crop of alternatives.
The whole thing is a scam to
The whole thing is a scam to siphon votes/money/attention away from the Revolution. Just look at all the progress being made within the Republican Party nationwide. The Libertarian Party has not, is not and will not make much of a difference in the political landscape of America. The 2 party system is too biased to even let them get a foothold. Change one of the two major parties from within and toss the statists out on their arses. All we have to do is show up at the meetings and we win. Plain and simple.
LP has been a 'non-factor' for over 30 yrs
I love Dr. Mary Ruwart's book and I'm glad she's in the running. As an long-standing LP person, it will be interesting, as always, to catch the LP debate(s) and the convention on CSPAN (I hope). Who would have thought that Badnarik would beat Nolan and Russo in '04?
The LP just never gets the numbers and even if Barr gets a nod from the Doc, I just don't think that the LP will get more than 2% of the national vote. I have been absolutely thrilled about Ron Paul and the thousands that he 'woke up', but I just don't think that things are bad enough and enough people understand enough for things to really change yet. It's all part of the evolution of liberty and I'm happy to be a part of it.
I support Dr. Mary Ruwart
She has the intelligence, the kindness, and fully understands the issues.
She has great presence and I am sure once on the podium, her Gravitas will super seed former congressman Bob Barr and all the other contenders.
The key to the Libertarian choice, strategically, may be how the Obama Hillary race turns out.
Scenario #1)
If Obama looses via super delegates to Hillary, then Anti-war Democrats will be furious. Millions of Obama supporters will look for someone as well spoken and kind and as understanding as Obama. When they take a look at who the Libertarians have running and see Mary Ruwart they will hear and see a kindred spirit. Disgruntled Obama supporters, given the choice between the thieving Hillary and the war monger McCain, will race to support Mary. Mary is excellent speaker. Consider this speech on why you should not support the FDA. Death By Regulation http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/death-regulation.html
If on the other hand, Libertarians have up Barr, who looks, talks, and smells like an old dusty conservative (read me-me-& only me racist), they will quickly turn their heads away and look to Nader or the Green Party.
So, if the LP puts Mary up, could Mary take democratic votes away from the Hillary? Yes absolutely. Like Ron Paul her record is a long trail of consistent commitment to human liberty. The MSM media & political analysts would get the point if Hillary then looses to McCain.
Scenario #2)
If Obama WINS the democratic race, the best thing the Libertarians could do is put up someone like Barr who would hopefully take away any conservative votes for McCain, or at least enough to make a difference and through the race to Hillary. Hillary is on record of stating she will get us out of Iraq. (yea, I know she is a liar & no better than McCain). Yet the MSM pundits and pollsters reading the political tea leaves will say it was a vote against Bush, Against the Iraq War. The MSM media & political analysts would get the point if Obama then beats McCain.
The name of the game for the LP, to be relevant at all, is to TAKE VOTES away AT THE MARGIN from one of the two top parties, thus making them heed the Libertarian position. Thats influence. To maximize it, lets recap.
Recap:
Scenario #1) A Hillary vs McCain ticket, LP gains the most influence by taking Obama protest voters over to vote for Mary Ruwart
Scenario #2) An Obama vs McCain ticket, LP gains the most influence by taking disgruntled Conservative voters over to vote for Bob Barr.
Of course others have other reasons for liking Barr... Read Justin over at antiwar.com http://antiwar.com/justin/
Find out all about Mary Ruwart here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org....
And this woman, Karen Kwiatkowski, would make a good VP.
A two woman ticket, Mary & Karen would be just the Obama supporters answer to Hillary/Bill Clinton. It would cut at their woman voter base.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lrgvNrJnEJE
The name of the game is influence. Libertarians can influence who wins. Thus to influence the win in one direction or the other, is the goal or should be the goal. Libertarians have a whole recipe of issues, and each libertarian from Barr to Mary Ruwart offer the voting public a feeling and perspective and most of all, a protest vote.
Treg
I hate to say it, but
you really ought to read what's been going on over at http://www.thirdpartywatch.com. You might change your mind some.
Needless to say, the LP race is getting nasty, too.
My "protest vote" is going
My "protest vote" is going to Ron Paul.
Do you mean
Write-in?
great Dondero is potentially
great Dondero is potentially ruining another great candidate.
I see nothing wrong with Bob Barr.... I think Ron Paul is better, and that's why Bob Barr is my plan B. Should Ron not be an available option in November, and he endorses Bob Barr then I will give my support to him.
What could be better than two candidates with the same philosophies? He'd certainly be better than Obama, Hillary, or McCain.
As for me, I'm still holding out for a miracle....
I see something wrong with
I see something wrong with Bob Barr. He is practically on the other side of the fence from Ron Paul on the illegal immigration issue. Barr wants a massive amnesty for illegal aliens and doesn't seem to concerned with stopping future illegal immigration. Plus the fact that he seemed to frame the illegal immigration issue the same way that Bush, McCain, Hillary and Obama all frame the debate, that their are only two choices, mass deportations of all illegals or some form of amnesty. No mention of attrition through enforcement, enforcing laws causing most illegals to leave the country on their own.
When you think about it, we've never had a president who fully enforced laws to the best of his ability against illegal immigration. Strong enforcement in states like Oklahoma and Arizona(and even those states aren't really enforcing the laws as well as they could be) has caused thousands of illegals to leave those states and proves enforcement works. But if you listen to the National Council of La Raza(The Race), enforcement doesn't work and won't ever work, of course because they don't want it to work and want amnesty and more illegal immigration to increase their power and influence.
Thank you for posting this!
The Dondero endorsement definitely makes me even more skeptical about Barr. In addition to all of the (true) comments posted above about Dondero -- didn't he also endorse the Ghoul during the primaries? If memory serves, he believed Rudy was the most "libertarian" candidate in the race, or something along those lines.
Dondero is a truly pathetic, small, sad, ignorant, little person.
oh please.
oh please.
Dondero may be an asshole, but just because he endorses somebody doesn't mean that candidate is crap. Barr and Paul are friends! Besides, we didn't discount Dr. Paul just because some white supremacists supported him! An endorsement DOES NOT change the philosophy of the person. Dondero just has personal issues... it'd be best to just ignore him completely.
I think it's great having two candidates with the same philosophy.... Dr. Paul is obviously better, but if he gets Dr. Paul's endorsement, then Bob Barr is definitely my plan B.
Kucinich and Paul are
Kucinich and Paul are friends, too, but I have no plans to vote socialist.
Dondero is irrelevant.
Bob Barr is a poor choice, IMO, because he is a flip-flopper who lacked the insight to vote against the Patriot Act, and he supported the war on drugs.
Paul opposed both all along and so did I. I have no desire to vote for someone who a recent conversion to libertarianism, and who participated in one of the most infamous unconstitutional votes in congressional history.
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Dondero truly is an
Dondero truly is an idiot...I have nothing but contempt for that slick little neo-con weasel. He is a neo-libertarian/neocon. And I say this as a reformed neocon libertarian...yes...it's true. I guess that is why I get so pissy at little weasly neocons...I hate the fact that I was so ignorant for so many years. After the 2004 election in 2005-2006 I started feeling unsettled and there was no looking back...Ron Paul was just the icing on top of my reformation cake :D
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xntryk, you make an
xntryk, you make an excellent point and I have no rebuttal to it! :-) By way of an attempt at an explanation, I am admittedly quite wary of Barr and am highly skeptical of his "libertarian" platform. I guess I felt that the news that Dondero supports him after he had referred to RUDY (!) as the best libertarian in the race gave a little more validity to my opinion. But as I said, I have no qualm at all with what you said. I will try to keep an open mind, because I truly think it's to everybody's best interest that we have as many people as possible in our government like Ron Paul. If that includes Barr, cool. I guess I will withold judgement for now :-)
... but my opinion of Dondero still stands ;-)
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No it didn't because Ron
No it didn't because Ron didn't write it and if you look at his record he has ZERO history of espousing racists beliefs. Barr on the other hand is kind of a toss up and has a mixed record and therefore I question his beliefs more.
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Note the Differences in Trajectory
Barr's positions are growing in maturity and wisdom as the Libertarians now have him educated about the drug war, and its harms (and failure).
Dondero is still stuck in his narrow, anti-Paul, anti-peace stance. He wants his war, now. Note how he mischaracterizes Ron Paul as being anti-defense or calls Libertarians pacifists. Libertarians who defend the second amendment!
He is throwing a temper-tantrum and displays no sense of objectivity. He is not learning, yet.
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Gun-toting pacifists!
Finally
People are understanding this is not about splitting factions. Libertarians only have one choice-Ron Paul. Register Republican and vote if you want to change this country.
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