Paul backers manage to nab delegates

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http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/17374...

In Minnesota and elsewhere, their tactics raised eyebrows, but they're hoping to earn him stage time at the GOP national convention.

By BOB VON STERNBERG and KEVIN DUCHSCHERE, Star Tribune

Last update: April 7, 2008 - 10:07 PM

Ron Paul remains the longest of long shots to win the Republican presidential nomination, but his Minnesota supporters aren't going quietly.

Over the weekend, they captured six of a dozen GOP national convention delegates elected at congressional district meetings. The rebellion has left local party officials crying foul, even as state leaders downplay the importance of the unexpected result.

"They'll be national delegates, but at the end of the day, that doesn't change anything because John McCain is going to be our nominee," said party spokesman Mark Drake.

But Marianne Stebbins, who has headed the Texas congressman's Minnesota campaign for several months, called the victories a tactical triumph designed to bring Paul's libertarian message to the broadest possible audience.

"If we get enough delegates," she said, "we'll be able to get [Paul] speaking time at the convention."

Delighted about what was something of a coup over the Republican establishment, she added, "We're just a bunch of disorganized people who happened to get lucky. At least that's the impression we want to leave."

Paul ran far behind most of the GOP field in most primaries and contests.

Paul also won only 15 percent of the vote in a nonbinding preference ballot at Minnesota's caucuses, but he was a prodigious fundraiser and grass-roots organizer.

And Minnesota isn't the only state where his supporters have refused to give up. According to news accounts, they've won county or congressional district delegates in Missouri, Texas and Washington.

McCain camp unperturbed

With Minnesota hosting the GOP convention in September, strong support for Paul in the Minnesota delegation might be seen as an embarrassment to Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a strong McCain supporter who is considered to be on the short list of possible vice presidential picks.

But Ben Golnik, volunteer coordinator for McCain in Minnesota, said that Paul's support in the state has nothing to do with Pawlenty. "This is a people's party, and it's up to the activists," he said. "As much as anyone, we believe in local control."

In Minnesota, 38 Republican delegates to the national convention are selected in a multi-tier process that starts with precinct caucuses and ends with the state convention. Delegates have been selected in six of the state's eight congressional districts, with Paul supporters winning seven of the 24 seats chosen to date. Six more delegates will be selected in the remaining two districts, and the rest will be chosen at the state party convention next month.

In last Saturday's contests, perhaps the biggest surprise occurred in the heavily Republican Sixth district, where U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann was elected one of the three delegates and the other two were Paul supporters.

Nearly 200 candidates were vying for the three seats.

"We knew they were coming and they were willing to lie, cheat and steal -- maybe not steal, but they were willing to say anything," Andy Aplinkowski, the district's vice chairman, said of the Paul supporters.

The delegate candidates were asked to answer whether they supported John McCain. The Paul supporters were elected under false pretenses, Aplinkowski said.

Not so, said Rob Baert, a part-time teacher from Sauk Rapids who was elected a delegate. "McCain's not even nominated yet," he said. "But if he is, I'll support him, and that's what I said."

Realizing that the Paul supporters were rolling to victory, Aplikowski made a motion that would bind the delegates to McCain at the national convention. It was approved, but he said he doesn't know if it's legally enforceable.

Mixed results in 4th, 5th

In the Fourth and Fifth districts, considerably more Democratic than the Sixth, the results were more mixed. More than 250 voting delegates at the Fifth District convention elected three delegates widely known to be Paul supporters, said district chairman Carleton Crawford.

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Now this is what i have been

Now this is what i have been talking about and trying to teach all of you.

This is how we make changes and bring america back and it is being done by winning 1 battle at a time.

Does anyone still think i am a nut and i need a straight jacket?

Dr. Steve Parent

SGP

This is the statement that is most interesting...

"Realizing that the Paul supporters were rolling to victory, Aplikowski made a motion that would bind the delegates to McCain at the national convention. It was approved, but he said he doesn't know if it's legally enforceable."

What does he mean there? Since it was approved to bind delegates to McCain.... then he says that motion may not be legally enforceable ...

I thought if you are bound then you must vote on the first round....or vote as you wish but accept the penalty.

P.S. I think you have done a great service to all supporters! Dont let negativity get to you! This thread may help>

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/45430

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Minnesota RP supporters

Minnesota RP supporters Rock! It's unreal to me that Andy and others use words like "lie" and "cheat" and "deceptive". Why can't they see that the true lying and cheating comes from trying to screen voters in a free election process. "Will you vote for our guy? Cuz if you won't, we will keep you out.."

**the soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears**

what an ass

"Realizing that the Paul supporters were rolling to victory, Aplikowski made a motion that would bind the delegates to McCain at the national convention. It was approved, but he said he doesn't know if it's legally enforceable."

I think that's one of the key reasons everyone over here is so proud about having "Western-style democracy": while it's not easy, it is possible to overthrow tyrants in power through the system with enough people. we don't have to wait for a dictator to die, or get shot because we're having a protest, etc etc.

Neo-cons

are running scared, willing to do anything to keep the lie going. We have just begun to take our country back, they have seen nothing yet!

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

This is the part worthy of

This is the part worthy of notice!!!

He says:
Realizing that the Paul supporters were rolling to victory, Aplikowski made a motion that would bind the delegates to McCain at the national convention. It was approved, but he said he doesn't know if it's legally enforceable.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

exactly - its like bad science

get your outcome and twist the rules till it fits....and why do i have a sinking feeling that theres going to be a McCain/Rice ticket and its going to be the medias pleasure to push it through as a landslide of popularity and all of the sleepy people say "oh...that makes sense." The morons who need obama wont vote hillary and the morons who need hillary wont vote obama and rice is the perfect compromise. Shes every bit as wickid as Bush/Cheney.

I think you might have a

I think you might have a pretty good crystal ball workin' for you there.
McCain/Rice. A diabolically perfect combination. Condi can change John's depends and administer his medication while she's orchestrating WWIII. Condi is a multi-tasker!

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Ughh! A Pair of Zombies!

Just picturing those two makes me think of "night of the living dead"

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

McCain defintely needs a handler

and Condi would be perfect in that role, just like Cheney for GWB. It's already circulating in the MSM.

http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/07/mccain-rice-ticket/

You may be on to something

What would trump a woman or a black man running? A black woman.

I could see how they would use that. The dems have been successful with you are sexist if you don't like Hillary and you are a racist if you don't like Obama. So if you don't like Condi, you are a racist sexist pig, right?

If you don't like rice...

...try the noodles.

I can't stand her because she lies thru her teeth.

Lie and cheat?

How exactly do we lie and cheat? We espouse our conservative principles. So what if we do not mention our stance on foreign policy or economic policy? I am a Texas state delegate and I never lied or cheated to become one. I discussed every topic except foreign policy and the rest of the conservatives agreed with me!! How is that lying? We even passed a resolution to go back to the gold standard for crying out loud. It's not like we cheated either. We used the process, just as anyone in the country could have done!

They are just sore because they are losing, and their are now conservatives in the party that are unwilling to tow the party line of the neo-conservatives and are taking us back to the real republican and conservatives values, which are very similar to those of libertarians.

"Ron Paul activists"

...like we're holed up in trees peeing in coffee cans. ""They'll be national delegates, but at the end of the day, that doesn't change anything because John McCain is going to be our nominee," said party spokesman Mark Drake."- isnt that another way of saying "rigged"? They are blatantly admitting that they have the outcome pre-determined and any voting from this point on is mere formality- and if you vote other than McCain you are a pain in the ass.

"- isnt that another way of saying "rigged"? ...yes,

makes you sick doesn't it?

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win". --Mahatma Gandhi

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win". --Mahatma Gandhi