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Should government be involved in marriage at all?

I've been wondering... Since marriage has traditionally been a religious ceremony, why does the government issue marriage certificates and such? Two people who are not religious at all can get a marriage certificate from their government, thereby removing any religious context of the term "marriage" and making it a meaningless ceremony. Basically, non-religious people get married so that the government can tell them that they are committed to each other. What's the purpose in that???

What are your thoughts on this? What would the consequences be if the government resigned all authority to govern marriage?



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The practice began in the twenties

but it only applied to mixed-race couples.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/26/opinion/26coontz.html?_r=1...

I think the eugenics movement was roaring at about the same time.

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Nope. Not in any way

Nope. Not in any way whatsoever. They weren’t back when America was still a great country, and there is no reason for them to be now.

Why government got involved in marriage in the first place!

As I understand it, the "State Marriage License" began sometime after the civil war. No Church in those days would marry a white person to a black person. The only option was for the mixed couple to live together, which made all their children bastards, according to the church. And a bastard child had no hope for a future in those days.

One by one, each State made a way for these mixed couples to legally marry outside of the church (marriage certificiates), through a document called a state "Marriage License".

All mainstream churches now require a State Marriage License before they will even marry anyone in their churches, because they given up their free right to exist as a church, for being a 501(3) (c) corporation. And as you know, the government sets the rules for being incorporated. It's the churches who failed the people here, not the government.

Shame on the God fearing people of this land, for letting this happen!

hjschaapman

The Winds of Change!

Why government got involved in marriage in the first place!

As I understand it, the "State Marriage License" began sometime after the civil war. No Church in those days would marry a white person to a black person. The only option was for the mixed couple to live together, which made all their children bastards, according to the church. And a bastard child had no hope for a future in those days.

One by one, each State made a way for these mixed couples to legally marry outside of the church (marriage certificiates), through a document called a state "Marriage License".

All mainstream churches now require a State Marriage License before they will even marry anyone in their churches, because they given up their free right to exist as a church, for being a 501(3) (c) corporation. And as you know, the government sets the rules for being incorporated. It's the churches who failed the people here, not the government.

Shame on the God fearing people of this land, for letting this happen!

hjschaapman

The Winds of Change!

Why government got involved in marriage in the first place!

As I understand it, the "State Marriage License" began sometime after the civil war. No Church in those days would marry a white person to a black person. The only option was for the mixed couple to live together, which made all their children bastards, according to the church. And a bastard child had no hope for a future in those days.

One by one, each State made a way for these mixed couples to legally marry outside of the church (marriage certificiates), through a document called a state "Marriage License".

All mainstream churches now require a State Marriage License before they will even marry anyone in their churches, because they given up their free right to exist as a church, for being a 501(3) (c) corporation. And as you know, the government sets the rules for being incorporated. It's the churches who failed the people here, not the government.

Shame on the God fearing people of this land, for letting this happen!

hjschaapman

The Winds of Change!

Only as far as enforcing contracts.

Any other involvement in "marriage" is not the business of the Federal government and likely outside the bounds of the constitutions of most States.

Control

You need a licence so that they know what tax bracket to put you in, is all... it's easier on the paperwork for the banks as well. Why do you think the government awards you for getting a marriage licence? They like to know what the peole they own are doing... makes it easier to tax you accordingly.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Yes

Because marrying the right person is so important, not only for the happiness of the married couple but for their children and for society as a whole, all marriages should be arranged by government. The divorce rate proves that people are incapable of choosing their own marriage partners, so it is clear that only government is qualified to decide who would make a stable married couple.

There could be a government agency that studies compatibility and develops a computer program to select good mates. It would be a purely rational process, devoid of all the obscuring clouds of emotions. Also, the discrimination based on race, religion, culture, disability, appearance, intelligence, gender, odor and species that is so rampant in the privatized selection of marriage partners, could be eliminated. All would be treated equally. All would have an equal chance of finding marital bliss.

When you reach the age of 18 you would register with the marriage selective services and after a seemingly interminable wait (during which time you would be required to remain chaste) they would send you a letter with the name, address, and telephone number of your spouse-to-be. You would have 90 days in which to be married or face fines, flogging and prison. So you see it would be a voluntary system.

The Constitution gives the government broad authority to promote the general welfare. What could be more important to the general welfare than sensible marriage control? So do your part and sign up today!

Take two smart pills and call me in the morning, statist!

Marriage is between two (or more) people and their god, not the state.

The state, with its long and nosy tentacles, is not interested in the happiness of a couple or their family. They are interested in exactly three things: your money, maintaining their power, and extending their power. That includes stealing your kids, too!

Government deciding who would make a stable married couple? The same government that can't fix your potholes, synchronize your traffic lights, or solve your gang problems? HAH! Sorry, but privately-prearranged marriages were bad enough. You're advocating it be done on the taxpayer's dime? That's social engineering gone totally berserk!

A government agency to do this? More government? Are you a Paul supporter or not? Repeat after me: MORE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER! Now repeat it 20X. Then 20X more. Eventually it will sink in.

"Marriage Selective Services"? So if you want to stay single you become a draft dodger, too? Marry in 90 days? Most weddings take that long to figure out the guest list! Sorry, but if I took this approach in getting my wife I'd have been in a lousy marriage.

What a clusterf*** of a post this Acala has made!

Amen

Considering what Public education has done to our children-it's insane to even consider government arranged marriages-They would never pair any religious people...can't have that!

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

It will be voluntary

Don't worry Tannim, it will be voluntary! You can choose to be flogged rather than participate.

Flog you!

They can try, but they will fail.

My mother tried that when I was a kid. I took the yardstick from her hand, broke it into four pieces over my knee, and threw the pieces into the fireplace. She never tried that again.

"You shouldn't hit me, Johnny. My mother hit me once. Once."

Obviously Acala came back for seconds, and thirds, and all those blows to the rear gave him some pretty bad brain damage!

LOL!

I love it.

RP2012!

Can I vote for you for president?

And will you also institute fertility licensing? Because I think the government should also have a say in when we should be allowed to have children, and how many.

Thanks, Acala, for helping promote the general welfare of our homeland.

RP2012!

Yes

I will serve if elected.

I agree with what you say about fertility licensing. I have thought long and hard about it and think that the best way to achieve full compliance would be to implant contraceptive devices in all women at puberty when they get their adult RFID. When the local population authority determines that a particular couple is ready to reproduce, and they have filled out the proper forms, paid the fee, and been fully tested, then the contraceptive device can be temporarily disabled to allow conception (and be enabled again at delivery of the baby to the educational authority).

An alternative would be to allow only party officials to reproduce with partners chosen from the population. Of course the program would be voluntary, with the chosen partners facing fines, whippings and prison for choosing not to participate.

Just to be certain...

...you will allow those of us who wish to climb the party leadership ladder to reproduce genetically-engineered female children whom we can then later trade into the Party Breeding Agency for positions of authority? Right?

Cause if not, I'm outta here and will start my own Motherland, which will of course crush yours.

RP2012!

LOL

Ahahahahaha! It's on!!!!!

:)

Your Motherland are belong to us!

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

I was just waiting for a remark like that...

...and the nerd that I am found it just as funny as ever.

RP2012!

With posts like these...

Your fertility license should be revoked.

And people wonder why I say 95% of people are political idiots, and the other 5% either try to reform the system or exploit it...Acala is definitely in the 95%, and has overdosed on Orwell.

Sacrasm

You do realize that Acala and I have been enjoying a bit of banter through sarcasm and role playing, right?

RP2012!

That's not funny,

Not at all.

I got a chuckle out of it

I got a chuckle out of it AND thought it was kind of clever ;-) Then again, maybe I just have a warped sense of humor ;-)

Acala, she's approved

Issue her a spouse and a fertility license, pronto!

RP2012!

It is with great honor that

It is with great honor that I receive your approval. It has always been my life's ambition as a female to become a breeder for the state. Awesome!!

Congratulations!

There is no greater service to the Motherland! We will be coming by your home shortly to . . . ahem . . . induct you into the program.

I knew you'd be pleased!

I knew you'd be pleased because I've been monitoring your email and your phone conversations, and there was that letter you wrote to your best friend, too. Based on this gathered intelligence, we thought you'd be particularly useful to the State.

Congratulations!!!!

RP2012!

ZOMG

Now I can tell my comrades that I have actually witnessed a female unit become licenced into the breeding program on a government approved communications medium! This will be THE story to share between work schedules, let me tell you...

~wipes tear from eye~

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

We've already told your comrades!

We've already told your comrades! I knew those phone numbers I've been collecting by tapping into your caller ID would come in useful!

Now tell me, "Thank You Big Brother for Making My Life More Convenient!"

You're welcome!

RP2012!

Oh, stop ... you make me

Oh, stop ... you make me want to cry when you wax sentimental like that!