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Is Polygamy Harmful To Freedom? Part Two

Monogamy = Making babies with one other person.
Polygamy = Making babies with more than one other person.

Monogamous societies insist that children are born only to a man and a woman who exclusively pledge to each other a lifelong commitment.

Monogamous societies have historically respected human rights. For example, 17th & 18th Century Britain had the lowest illegitimacy rate in world history. Their accomplishments are unparalleled.

Yes, we should have total sexual freedom. But, children take the matter out of the bedroom and into society.

Ron Paul has children with only one woman. He is an example to follow.

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Here's an interesting clip about polygamy in Africa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7-Fm7qxjA

It may also be that Polygamy is genetic. Just like monogamy in certain species is genetic. What then ?

"a way forward"

The speaker in your clip makes a strong, well-reasoned, and passionate argument for permitting individuals to determine for themselves what sort of interpersonal arrangements work best for them, both emotionally and economically.

As for your question about a genetic predisposition toward polygamy, I would suspect that you're on to something. Similarities in temperament seems to run in families. That this is strictly a matter of conditioning is rather dubious. My brother and I (two out of a brood of five) were raised by monogamous statist theists and have subsequently and independently rejected all three components of our "heritage". The other three siblings seem to have stuck to the party line.

Viva Agora!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org

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environmental factors

Fortune Favors the Bold

contribute to mating strategies. In third world environments, maximum procreatin makes the most sense, from a genetic point of view. In first world environments, less procreation, but more effort spent insuring the survivial of your offspring is a more viable strategy.

The brain is extremely elastically developed. Herd behavioral cues make more of a contribution towards all behavior then specific genetic differences in human, which are minimal. Keep in mind,this is looking at cultural behavioral norms in the macro. Obviously each individual has specific and unique circumstances.

Fortune Favors the Bold

Refined Question

"Is a largely pointless and needlessly divisive (not to mention poorly argued) post about polygamy dangerous to civility and a distraction from more relevant topics on the Daily Paul?"

Answer: Yes, and yes

Not sure about poorly argued...

But I gave it a shot, not that I'll ever get a response.

On the other hand, it makes me happy personally that so many Ron Paul supporters here on DP have thier heads on straight... that this should be an issue decided by the people that live the life, not by government intervention.

Besides, as a poly kinda guy, I sometimes have fun debunking mono people with an attitude.

It's like kicking a puppy, I know... call it a guilty pleasure.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

easy on the pups, dude

Devon, while I think I share your wicked streak, I wish to caution you about the kicking puppies metaphor. Given the tendency of our adversaries to misconstrue our pure intentions, I fear you have just delivered ammunition to the enemy. Please recant or clarify at your earliest convenience.

Nevertheless, I echo the broad sentiment: Anyone who sticks his face in my bedroom window deserves my thumb in his eye.

U.S. OUT,
of North America!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
======================================
West of 89
a novel of another america
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Possibly. I kind of find it

Possibly. I kind of find it interesting though. And I still find time to read and respond to other posts as well :-)

To be honest

I find the responses on the "." thread far more mentally stimulating than Cedar's comments.

But everyone else on Cedar's thread has lots of interesting things to say, and I enjoy the conversation quite a lot.

RP2012!

This is a social issue

This is a social issue and should not be on here.

Yeah, because social issues

Yeah, because social issues have NOTHING to do with the problems facing this country.

Perhaps you'd rather check out the personal computer thread? That should be on here, though, right?

Sorry, but I'm sick of this

Sorry, but I'm sick of this pointless and divisive post, and flagging it already.

CedarMill, you are an idiot and a possible troll.

You can flag stuff?

I don't see any flag links...

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I don't believe polygamy

I don't believe polygamy hurts society in any way. It's not my thing, but I believe those people are entitled to their marital freedom. But for the life of me, I don't understand how a man can put up with five or six women when most of us find dealing with one next to impossible. They must be gluttons for punishment. Can you imagine five PMS bouts simultaneously? My ears and brain hurt just thinking about it. Not to mention I couldn't afford enough beer.

Funny that you brought up simultaneously...

Put a few ladies together and eventually they all adjust thier cycles to the cycle of the dominant female. Weird, but I've watched it happen.

Most reasonable ladies in a poly relationship are aware of the phenomenon... and deal with it accordingly.

As an aside, in Native American culture, we just used to send them to a special teepee for the duration...lol.

Not that I'm going to bring that up in my house.. they know where I sleep.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Other men are stronger than us?

sez bigmikedude: "I don't understand how a man can put up with five or six women when most of us find dealing with one next to impossible."

I'm down with you on that one, brother! Some men can hardly handle even one sweetie, let alone several. For them there is polyandry. Or asexuality. Or onanism. Or any other conceivable configuration that doesn't obstruct traffic or frighten the live stock.

Vive la difference!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
======================================
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lol

"Or any other conceivable configuration that doesn't obstruct traffic or frighten the live stock."

Let's get creative with our newly discovered vocabulary...

How about an Orbital Polyonanism

I learned a new word today -

I learned a new word today - onanism. Had to look it up. Thanks, Prof!

I now challenge you to use it

at least one time in each of your conversations with each person you talk to tomorrow!

"So, Susie, what do you think of all the onanism going on these days?"

LOL :)

RP2012!

Yeah - and then they'll go

Yeah - and then they'll go look it up and think I'm a nut! LOL :-)

having an advanced vocabulary

can be a tough cross to bear. Don't let it get you down!

RP2012!

but when you're older and losing your teeth

It's nice to have an arsenal of words to do your biting for you.

Viva Agora!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
======================================
West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

I did it! I asked my friend

I did it! I asked my friend if he has engaged in onanism recently .... LOL. When I told him what it meant he laughed and then called me a dork. :-) Hee hee

LOL!

That is what I call vocabulary in action. Nice job! I am sure he will find many occasions to use the word in his conversations, too. Look at it this way: you planted a seed.

RP2012!

Society has no claim on me and no right to "insist" anything.

If I want to have 10 kids by 10 men that's my choice, not your's or any society.

Why do you follow Ron Paul's example when it comes to fatherhood but not when it comes to liberty?
___________

Lisa C.

www.women4ronpaul.com

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

The premise that...

.. polygamy means "making babies with more than one person" is totally specious and fallacious.

Polygamy is a committed marriage relationship between multiple persons. The greek root words literally mean "many marriage". It does NOT mean hopping around impregnating women without commitment.

Exactly

Poligamy, monogamy... they are types of relationships.

Cedarmill throwing children into the mix is just a red herring.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Monogamy Isn't About Relationships

It's about having children with only one other person. I don't care what the dictionary says. I am redefining monogomy as a biological term.

You have the right to be Satan-worshiping and polyamorous! But, if you want to live in a peaceful and prosperous society, you must understand the origins of human rights. No one person's genetics is superior to another's.

Britain is becoming a fascist society - like America - because its citizens have sold out to the almighty dollar/pound. If a woman cannot find a monogamous rich man to suit her tastes, then she must go childless! We should not subsidized the enforcement of property rights just so that some women can get child support payments paid by rich studs.

Likewise, if a man can't attract a woman, he has no right to use the egg of an "alpha" female to provide him with his own little baby.

Of course, you should be free to create your own polygamous society. And I should be free to create my own monogamous society. But, don't expect my society to welcome the alienated men fleeing from your slum.

Debunk... ~yawn~

It's about having children with only one other person. I don't care what the dictionary says. I am redefining monogomy as a biological term.

MONOGAMY - A marriage contracted between one man and one woman, in exclusion of all the rest of mankind; it is used in opposition to bigamy and polygamy. The state of having only one husband or one wife at one time.

Is the definition.. you cannot go around changing what words mean and get far in a debate... it makes you look.. well.. stupid. Monogamy is not a biological term.. get over it.

You have the right to be Satan-worshiping and polyamorous! But, if you want to live in a peaceful and prosperous society, you must understand the origins of human rights. No one person's genetics is superior to another's.

You of course have the right to do what you want, sort of, in the US right now. I'd not equate polygamous with Satan-worshipping, personally.

Living a poly lifestyle takes really good communication skills, trust, and a good sense of self-esteem. I'm going to say those qualities would help to make a prosperous and peaceful society. As far as human rights issues, I'm going to have to assume that you mean that the females in a male alpha poly relationship are somehow being deprived of thier rights. My girlfriends are a Judge and a chemical engineeer, respectively. The thought that thier basic human rights are being violated by them doing what the want to do is laughable. The idea that one person's genetics are not superior to another's is just stupid.

Britain is becoming a fascist society - like America - because its citizens have sold out to the almighty dollar/pound. If a woman cannot find a monogamous rich man to suit her tastes, then she must go childless! We should not subsidized the enforcement of property rights just so that some women can get child support payments paid by rich studs.

I have no idea what the hell this rant is about...how does fascism relate to rich men and subsidizing property rights and childless women and child support? ~blink~ Take a deep breath and try that line of thought again... a little less stream-of-conciousness perhaps.

Likewise, if a man can't attract a woman, he has no right to use the egg of an "alpha" female to provide him with his own little baby.

Alpha is a term used to describe the leader of the pack in a poly relationship, be it male or female. (Unless of course you've changed the meaning of it to support your... I'd say theory, but it's more a disjointed rant) I'd say that an alpha female will certainly have her pick of males to be the father of her child, if she so wishes so. I think you are categorizing a poly relationship as a male alpha with XXX amount of females involved. That's kind of provincial.

Of course, you should be free to create your own polygamous society. And I should be free to create my own monogamous society. But, don't expect my society to welcome the alienated men fleeing from your slum.

That has to be the funniest part of your diatribe by far. Most slums are full of unwed mothers... not in any relationship at all. I'm not really aware of disenfranchised males fleeing from any poly relationships into ~your~ society... wherever that society may be. It sure doesn't sound like you live in the US, however. The society I live in has more than a few poly relationships. Most all I'm personally aware of are comprised of upwardly mobile consenting adults that don't give a damn about what mentally challenged people like you think. I'm 14 years into a poly relationship. Works fine for us and the kids. Of course, I'm sure you can dig up a fact or two on a website somewhere that says how I live is bad. However, I can tell that your life sucks just by reading your posts... ;)

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Devon you are far more patient than I

I responded to about a dozen of Cedar's mentally-challenged posts and lost interest in carrying on a one-sided debate.

Your response is well-reasoned and nicely crafted. But just as I can share all sorts of info about the Mormon fundamentalists I personally know, do not expect your personal experience to make one bit of difference to Cedar. He'll just ignore you like he does anyone else.

He has a serious axe to grind, and I wish I knew why.

RP2012!

My personal thoughts, from an ~alternative~ relationship

Here is a fun theory. Cedermill and his spouse tried a quad arrangement... two couples together. Cedermill eventually got punted out of the relationship ( I'ma guess for some sort of male issue... possibly he's hung like a coackroach). Cedermill's former spouse had a kid by the other male in the relationship.

I've got 10 bucks on that...lol

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~