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....youtube 'BOTS' smearing Dr. Ron Paul 24/7........

this is deadly serious folks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWr5Wl-mev0&eurl=http://mpare...

The comments area in youtube is overrun by automated 'bots', that spam horrible smear comments about RP day and night around the clock. THese things are repetitive, and post the same comments over and over, but to the casual browser they appear to be random comments.

I know these are designed to poison the mind of the casual browser, and that those grounded in reality (informed individuals) will see through it. But we know what the state of the union is today, and sadly, most folks are uniformed.

What this amounts to is propoganda, but it is HIGHLY orgnaized. This cant just be some college kid. I suspect it is state sponsored.

They are likening RP supporters to McVeigh types, that RP "hates blacks", or is "on the payroll of Americas enemies".

This is doing a lot of damage to RPs image in the collective unconciousness of Americans. Ive been "battling" these jerks for about a week now, constantly pointing out that these are bots. I believe the operators of these things can take them "autopilot" and post at will, but 95% of the time, they just repeat the same horrible lies over and over, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

This is a highly organized smear campaign against the good doctor, and its bothering me (to put it mildy).

What can we do? I figured if I could find anyone to help, that I would find them here. If I cant find help here, Im obviously going to be on my own.

How can we counter this, or get rid of these guys?

please help, this is simply wrong. Its doing a lot of damage, and they know it.

Hank



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this is to be expected

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This is to be expected.

I encourage everybody who reads this thread to really think about what trolls are and what they do. It is very psychological. In order to succeed in what they do, trolls thrive when they are not challenged or exposed.

But to expose them and challenge them is to encourage them... and it will bring their wrath onto you.

Insulting trolls hardly ever works. I have found that the best strategy is to first expose them and then ignore them. But remember, you cannot always get them banned... and that may be the case for youtube.

How to expose trolls. Ask them specific questions, make them back up their claims, ask them why they can't make a comment about x without insulting x. Ask them if they have an agenda. Ask them why they are posting misinformation incorrect information. Remember, trolls often lose their cool when they are being challenged, and they also lose their effectiveness once they are exposed. So, trolls often will put up a fight. What you have to work for is to get them to slip up. Once they start making errors and exposing themselves, then it goes downhill fast. And its best to challenge them with numbers.

Trolls
(1) try to discourage us and get us to quit
(2) try to divide us and cause fights or disruptions among us
(3) try to distract us, get us off topic, and stop focusing on the delegate process
(4) post useless or offtopic information (see #3 distraction)
(5) post incorrect information - at first it begins with trivial small stuff, but it may progress to blatently false, misleading information, and disinformation
(6) may result to personal attacks and defamation
********************************************
(7) have no life and nothing better to do than perform (1)-(6) above
(8) may actually derive joy and pleasure by performing (1)-(6) above
(9) may have more than one poster ID (I like to call this PMPD - poster multiple personality disorder)
(10) MAY WORK FOR THE GOVT AND MAY BE PAID TO TROLL

After you have a few solid interactions with trolls (particularly if you expose them or if they insult/defame you)... you will understand something that is very hard to describe. You may get this gutwrenching feeling... like this is just so unbelievably low, that it makes you want to vomit. And that feeling may come from pondering whether or not a particular troll(s) are paid by some entity for the garbage that they spew. And then you consider the personal aspects... whether these trolls are merely very empty inside, or if they really are just plain EVIL. And if you go down the last road, you start to understand just how wicked and evil this world has become.

And after having these revelations... you may decide to take it upon yourself to personally expose trolls whenever you run into them, both now and in the future. For there is not one redeeming quality about a troll.

The trick is being able to distinguish imposters from trolls, and being able to flush out the trolls.

SO KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT PEOPLE

Onward to the National Convention we go

This is good advice.

We need to keep watch this site, at least for awhile

gigione

You just need to find a way

You just need to find a way to trace IP. Then you say "i know where you live" and not be bluffing.

"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."

pajeff2??

Didn't he use to be in here quite a bit?? Now he's posting tons of anti-paul stuff on youtube??

My liberty-minded home base of thought:

www.ponderthis.net

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Learned something new today.

Now this is interesting.

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/

Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/

.....vague........

"Now this is interesting.

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?"

Can you explain? "We can all say?"

who stated what should be done? Led by example doing exactly what?

it's my tag line.

It always posts with my comments.

I try to always be a man of action. Words are just words. Leading by example can be what you feel best helps the world. A whole lot of people say a lot but never take action to back their words up. I just like to always point it out.

Hey have you noticed that McCain's youtube videos are being spammed the same repeating way with positive comments instead. I am willing to be who ever is doing this is behind both.

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/

Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/

I read through most of

the comments, onevoice and pajef2 really dig their own hole and will probably bury themselves with these ridiculous comments and spam.

Probably the same person and, probably just a dumb kid hoping to hit puberty soon.

The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!

I'm not at all surprised to see these comments on youtube.

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I'm not at all surprised to see these comments on youtube. I mean... it is almost to be expected. We managed to get some trolls booted off this site. So youtube seems like a good place for them to land.

I encourage everybody who reads this thread to really think about what trolls are and what they do. It is very psychological. In order to succeed in what they do, trolls thrive when they are not challenged or exposed.

But to expose them and challenge them is to encourage them... and it will bring their wrath onto you.

Insulting trolls hardly ever works. I have found that the best strategy is to first expose them and then ignore them. But remember, you cannot always get them banned... and that may be the case for youtube.

How to expose trolls. Ask them specific questions, make them back up their claims, ask them why they can't make a comment about x without insulting x. Ask them if they have an agenda. Ask them why they are posting misinformation incorrect information. Remember, trolls often lose their cool when they are being challenged, and they also lose their effectiveness once they are exposed. So, trolls often will put up a fight. What you have to work for is to get them to slip up. Once they start making errors and exposing themselves, then it goes downhill fast. And its best to challenge them with numbers.

Trolls
(1) try to discourage us and get us to quit
(2) try to divide us and cause fights or disruptions among us
(3) try to distract us, get us off topic, and stop focusing on the delegate process
(4) post useless or offtopic information (see #3 distraction)
(5) post incorrect information - at first it begins with trivial small stuff, but it may progress to blatently false, misleading information, and disinformation
(6) may result to personal attacks and defamation
********************************************
(7) have no life and nothing better to do than perform (1)-(6) above
(8) may actually derive joy and pleasure by performing (1)-(6) above
(9) may have more than one poster ID (I like to call this PMPD - poster multiple personality disorder)
(10) MAY WORK FOR THE GOVT AND MAY BE PAID TO TROLL

After you have a few solid interactions with trolls (particularly if you expose them or if they insult/defame you)... you will understand something that is very hard to describe. You may get this gutwrenching feeling... like this is just so unbelievably low, that it makes you want to vomit. And that feeling may come from pondering whether or not a particular troll(s) are paid by some entity for the garbage that they spew. And then you consider the personal aspects... whether these trolls are merely very empty inside, or if they really are just plain EVIL. And if you go down the last road, you start to understand just how wicked and evil this world has become.

And after having these revelations... you may decide to take it upon yourself to personally expose trolls whenever you run into them, both now and in the future. For there is not one redeeming quality about a troll.

The trick is being able to distinguish imposters from trolls, and being able to flush out the trolls.

SO KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT PEOPLE

Onward to the National Convention we go

Talk to the boss "Google"

Just for convenience, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtube . We can only expose dishonesty for what it is. "Onward"

What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"

If you're not on a "watch list" yet...

... you might not be trying hard enough. : )

When I post comments under contentious issues, often now, my comment will not appear where I "replied", and my thumb up/down vote will neutralize when I immediately refresh the screen to see it reflected in the Utube data bank.

We've also seen "views" count remain static as comments continue on and even OUTNUMBER the views. Quite laughable to the initiate, but disgusting in the eyes of humanity for the sake of the novice.

Seek out alternatives to the "alternatives"... and share with others.

Consider this: Remember the "Big Dog", and the numerous related videos depicting highly advanced state-of-the-art robotics? On balance, the material was eye-opening and "shocking" in the words of many commentaries. If I was a DARPA CEO, I would gladly trade the loss of some industrial tech-intel normally held close to the vest... for the up side of knowing just how "scary" my War Dog (its original nickname) development was.

That's a VERY small price to pay for the HUMIT (human intelligence) response of your scary shit. YouTube, with it's MILLIONS of views and comments on that stuff within only weeks, provided astonishing feedback to The Man and his dastardly machinations.

Get it?

........only my opinion..........

"That's a VERY small price to pay for the HUMIT (human intelligence) response of your scary shit. YouTube, with it's MILLIONS of views and comments on that stuff within only weeks, provided astonishing feedback to The Man and his dastardly machinations.

Get it?"

Youre saying buying into the trolls and responding to them is actually helping them? Maybe by allowing them to determine who their enemies are? Outspoken folks to be put on a watch list?

This has been in the back of my mind (if thats what you are saying).

This is too organized and widespread for some punk kid(s). I really dont see how anyone could harbor enough of a grudge against Dr. Paul to organize this sort of smear campaign (of this magnitude), without being paid to do it. Or ordered to. I feel this is state sponsored, thats just how I see it, it makes the most sense. And that goes hand in hand with "watch lists". Im sure there are such lists, and I feel chances are good that Ive made one (not basing this on this youtube thing alone, but maybe for web-surfing habits?).

But yes, youtube, is obviously, itself, part of the problem, with the view count manipulations, and post removal hijinx. There are many allegations that google (which owns youtube) is, well lets jsut say comprimised or corrupt, as opposed to "in bed with the military industrial complex (MIC)". So, inshort, I dont expect youtube to do anything about it.

I have wondered if this was happening to other "candidates", but lets get real here: they are all owned by the MIC. They are shills, frontmen, pick your word. This is only my opinion, and may not be shared with everyone here. But I believe the deck is stacked and the game is rigged. Ron Paul was the wild card here, so they are marginalizing him, and very effectively I might add.

I want this to stop. The good doctor deserves better. WE deserve better.

Knowing we are being cheated is a lot to bear. I will not admit self-defeat, that theres nothing I can do personally. I know a lot of folks take that route. I havent figured out what it is that I can do to make a positive difference (more than I am already). I want to.

The enemies of the message use cowardly tactics. It makes it hard to formulate a way neutralize. Its like they own the board were all playing on.

Its frustrating, but thanks for the advice and good words everyone. you guys are cool as cucumbers. But then I dont see how anyone thats into the RPR could be anything but cool. Im sorry if Ive bothered anybody making this thread, but I do appreciate the feedback on this problem. You guys are awesome.

Hank

Can You Find the text on a Website?

If this person is arrogant enough, they may have the same text on a website. Website owners can be located. If you can prove they are the same person (and not someone else's cut&paste), then you know who it is.

Then some sleuthing to find out whether the owner has donated to any other campaigns would be in order.

Then a press release, perhaps, saying that a ___ supporter has resorted to defaming (a crime) Ron Paul. Look up "defamation." I don't think anyone can bring that charge except Ron Paul. You might also contact a reporter local to the spammer who wants to do more investigation, and then publish.

But my point is, if you accuse someone else of committing the crime of defamation, you need to make sure you are speaking the truth, because that's your defense against defaming the spammer.

If they truly support the other candidate, that may make them stop in order not to hurt their candidate.

IMissLiberty

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Finally shut mine off

I shut off my comment section, I was noticing a more negative response on them.

yes its so frustrating

but smile- think of "the mccain girls" and like cyndezu says- hit "spam". All the candidates are getting bot-slammed- the most damage that comes from this is our losing it and retaliating with comments that prove we're all nuts. Serious tho- check out the mccain girls- that is some world class brilliance- for awhile I thought that they were our people ^^. One of them even did a response vid to all the negative fb theyve been getting- and really came across trashy. If they were really supporters of mccain id think they would have snuck away and blushed- I would have. But no- she threatens to release a new video. Thats why I think theyre shilling- they were starting to get some sympathy from other supporters and people defending them for trying- then they release this caustic vid complete with profanity. I like to imagine that they ARE mccain supporters tho- its more fun that way : )...hang in there- The important thing is that RP is still spotless- people need to see more than a buncha comments to decide. Imagine the number the MSM will be doing on him if things go well at the convention! Theyll devote 3 weeks to someone with no evidence who says that he is a "bad" ob/gyn- I cant wait to see what this years "october surprises " will be- itll be like the grand finale of history's greatest fireworks display, This election suxs...gah

couldn't help but notice

one of them; http://www.youtube.com/user/onevoiceofreasons
thumbs down and hit spam

The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!

good ol onevoiceofTreason

good ol onevoiceofTreason again.....I will do the thumbs down and spam thang.

**the soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears**

onevoiceof treason--again!

We have been plagued with this guy before on DP... as well as many others ...but it doesnt do much good to respond to them if you cant somehow get them "banned"

Here is example of this slimes smears on the youtube link in above post:

OneVoice:
I was on one of paul's websites the other day and one of his "revolutionaries" said, and I quote, "any soldier who accepted deployment to iraq should be hung and have their throat slit"

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

"throat slit" Can you

"throat slit"

Can you believe this shite? I can see how this would poison the casual observer against Dr. Paul.

A lot of folks dont know any better, and believe too much of what they read.

This makes me so angry, but maybe thats just a bonus to these people (I dont even want to call them people). Isnt this the high tech equivalent of "brownshirts"?

Youtube, as far as I can tell doesnt even have a complaint department or an email add to write to.

Youre right, it doesnt do much good to respond.

I just cant (or dont want to) let it go. These people shouldnt be allowed to get away with this. I see good hearted people chiming in to counter this, but most dont realize that this is not just some A-hole on youtube, but something far more organized, and much more huge than meets the eye.

This is so underhanded, so deceptive and low. These people are scum, and they are hurting Rps movement.

Its a shame that these people cheat to win, but I guess thats their nature. If the game was played fair, RP would be smoking the competition. ITs almost unfathomable how much he (and by extension, us) have been cheated.

These people are such cowards.

I dont know what to do, but I feel like I have to do something. Maybe we could get our OWN bot going to support RP. But isnt that a little low? Would that be stooping to their level?

so incredibly frustrated, but thanks for listening
Hank

Thumbs down

and hit spam is best thing to do but I dont waste my time in responding to them! Just consider the source and move on!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd