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Pope promotes globalism in speech to U.N.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/nyregion/18popeatun.html?p...

Myself being a bloody catholic, I have to express my contempt for the pontiff's pontifications at New World Order HQ today. It is my impression that the Pope was, in so much verbose language, promoting globalism and a New World Order (an "international order").

I was especially struck by this passage:

Discernment, then, shows that entrusting exclusively to individual States, with their laws and institutions, the final responsibility to meet the aspirations of persons, communities and entire peoples, can sometimes have consequences that exclude the possibility of a social order respectful of the dignity and rights of the person.

Sorry, Pope, I prefer the good ol' Constitutional Republic of the united States as opposed to your starry-eyed international "social order."

After reading the full speech, I sense that, perhaps, he would not necessarily agree with the words of the Declaration of Independence (apparently he has romanticized the globalists' "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" instead), "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

More from me on this later, maybe.




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I am not a Catholic and do not agree with their 'religion'

but, I liked what the Pope had to say. Was surprised that I felt this way because I figured him to be some global agenda-ist (?).

Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/us/nationalspecial2/18cnd-...
UNITED NATIONS — Benedict XVI, who was a young German prisoner in the war that forged the United Nations, addressed that body Friday as pope, insisting that human rights — more than force or pragmatic politics — must be the basis for ending war and poverty.

The U.N. General Assembly during the pope’s address. More Photos >
“The promotion of human rights remains the most effective strategy for eliminating inequalities between countries and social groups, and for increasing security,” Benedict told the General Assembly at United Nations headquarters.

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

JKap, You might not be

JKap, You might not be reading this paragraph accurately.

Discernment, then, shows that

entrusting exclusively to individual States, with their laws and institutions, the final responsibility to meet the aspirations of persons, communities and entire peoples,
[AKA "Globalism"]

can sometimes have consequences that exclude the possibility of a social order respectful of the dignity and rights of the person.

To rephrase that,

"When you think about it, globalism will not be able to provide enough for humanity. There must be something else"

Read a little more of this Pope's stuff. He knows what he is talking about, and he can write very well. Remember that he doesn't say anything really off the cuff. All these speeches and homilies of his are composed by him in English, and he is saying exactly what he means to say.

As a Catholic, you must have heard about his encyclicals, right? What did you think about his first one, God is Love? It's good reading.

Peace.

be not afraid

Well,

I do not think one should react so negative. The pope's basis is to be the leader of the Catholic church worldwide and the Declaration of Independence
or any other countries Bill of Rights is not the prime basis on which he stands. I myself am a Protestant (studied Theology and Philosophy) and if you look at chruch history and history, more than 200, 300 years ago intellectuals all over Europe used to communicate in only one universal language - Latin - with each other. The unifying forse was stressed. The Protestant Revolution, with the translation of the Bible in the natural home languages, like German etc. have also had a politicla influence and supported the idea of a nation-state and national sovereignty over unity of all countries.

One need some understanding between nations also. The term "new order" or new world" order has been used through the ages, not only since the past few decades with Bush1, Clinton etc. Yesterday the pope did acknowledge the deep meaning of the constitution and bill of rights and political freedom. The philosopher Kant already stived toward one world government, which we obviously do not agree with and is also not possible, except through domination, which would not be the new fair social order the pope is talking about.

Apart from human right, human responsibilities should also be expressed.
IMHO there is nothing wrong witht he universal declaration of human rights as he formulates it. The problem comes with radical secularism and where there is no reference anymore to "their Creator" etc.

Also remember, the pope (both John Paul 2 and Benedict 16th, cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who is very intelligent) were both strongly against the war in Iraq. Dr. Paul - who is a Protestant like me - has positively spoken about the pope:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul244.html

One should respect the pope and his wisdom and leadership. He did mention the principle of subsidiarity, which is important for our philosophy also, more decentralized power and local community influence/role. Especially the German popes have through the centuries not preached the infallibility of the poe like for instance in Poland. (Note: I am just pointing out a fact and trurth and do not want to make any statement or comparison between the two countries). Of course the pope woudl not "endorse" any candidate, and respect the separation between chruch and state. Thanks for the link and info.

You know...

as an Anglican 3 weeks away from getting my M.Div, I would like to commend this pope as well JPII. It is not a made up position, there were bishops in Rome as recorded in history as early as 150AD. He is not worshipped by catholics and he is not an idol...nor did the Roman Catholic Church add or subtract from the Bible...that is all silliness. For all evangelicals on this blog, you need to use the same reasoning you use with our government with your pastor. Some things that are taught are ill-informed. I'm not saying your pastor is malicious, but they can be misinformed.
The Pope is the Apostle of Peace and if he sees that best achieved through the U.N. and other like organizations, I am going to respectfully disagree. But, he is on our side when it comes to the ends we are seeking. So let's give the Pontiff a break and get back to work electing our man!

Congratulations on getting your degree

That is wonderful! I assume you are going into the ministry or teaching, great. I grew up in the Anglican church. I have quite a few family members still in the church. I do not belong to any church although I do attend. I do not listen to my pastor, he listens to me, LOL. I study, in depth, the Protestant Reformation and my hero is Roger Williams. The Anglican church has many similarities to the Catholic church, without the Pope. So I can see why you are very supportive of the church.
I love the people on this forum. I believe we all pride ourselves at not being sheep like most of the Americans are. What I strive for, then, is to bring that into all aspects of our lives and that is why the dialog here. No system is to be trusted completely without discernment, when it is led by men. My great objective in all that I do is to encourage everyone to pray for the gift of discernment and keep your eyes and ears open to everything that is going on in the world; even if it touches something very sacred to you. Do not give allegiance to your creed but to God.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

we kinda have to choose our battles

If the pope or any other head of a sovereign nation ( Vatican Cty IS a nation btw) says "How bout we all lets have one monetary system!" then yeah- post it. But if a world leader says "How bout no more sex with children in any country" we should maybe acknowlege that as a nice sentiment. People who have no beef with the Catholic church may be inclined to feel like we're either hateful or advocate sex with children. As a world leader the pope will make big statements ...and often. Lets reserve the judgement till he makes one of the statements on the list. We can say "Noone in the world should fellate sea turtles"- but only push for that legislation in our own sovereign nation. Beyond that it should be kept to educational YouTube videos by private citizens aimed at helping peoples of those nations who may be engaged in sea turtle -fellating practices and the sea turtles who love them.

More Pope Bashing

Seeing that 25% of the population call themselves Catholics, I'm sure all this Pope bashing will be helpful in bringing in more people to the Ron Paul Movement. What purpose does this serve except to spread around hate? Take your hate somewhere else.

It really is your business if you want to bash the Pope, but why here? There are plenty of places to do that. Believe me, I've heard it all already. It's not like any Catholics are unaware of the problems within the Church. So what is the point? To show your hate? To get rid of the Catholics on this website?

It's interesting that some of the people spreading the hate have religious sayings at the bottom of their posts. Hypocrites.

I agree. In absolutely no

I agree. In absolutely no way, will saying rude/critical things about Catholics, the Church, or the pope help us, so don't do it. That is unless you want to drive people away. And as a Catholic, I'm getting really irritated with the increasing amount of anti-Catholic sentiment. Here I was really believing that we all believed in Dr. Paul's message and yet the people here are sounding more and more racist/prejudice... it makes me think they're not very sincere.

Yes, I agree

I read through it closely. No, the pope is not promoting globalism, he did not say the individual states should merge into one big country, state. I personally think what he want to say is that there are states where human dignity etc are not respected, where there is a dictator etc. (like in Zimbabwe) and it is especially the social responsibility of Christians from other countries to help such people, not necessarily the governments. This is 100% in accordance to the christian message and I find no fault in it. Dr. Paul does not advocate an economic or politicla isolationism from other countries, a dynamic interaction, and influence - which should almost never include violence or force or bribery, can be ascerted as well as diplomacy.

I agree some people in DP are quite hateful. The chruch are institution is never pefect, we are all full of sins, but the message is "perfect" and he can find trust in that.

Yes, I agree

I read through it closely. No, the pope is not promoting globalism, he did not say the individual states should merge into one big country, state. I personally think what he want to say is that there are states where human dignity etc are not respected, where there is a dictator etc. (like in Zimbabwe) and it is especially the social responsibility of Christians from other countries to help such people, not necessarily the governments. This is 100% in accordance to the christian message and I find no fault in it. Dr. Paul does not advocate an economic or politicla isolationism from other countries, a dynamic interaction, and influence - which should almost never include violence or force or bribery, can be ascerted as well as diplomacy.

I agree some people in DP are quite hateful. The chruch are institution is never pefect, we are all full of sins, but the message is "perfect" and he can find trust in that.

Who said anything about hate?

As a person who supports Ron Paul and our national sovereignty I am very attuned to anyone in the international community promoting globalism. I don't care who he is, if he is part of the community encouraging my loss of national sovereignty, then he is open to scrutiny. If he were the head of any church or religious movement, he would be undergoing the same kind of scrutiny regardless. It has nothing to do with a person's religious beliefs and their right to practice them.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

I never have understood the Catholic Church

They worship Idols the Pope being the main one. Yet the Bible itself says not to do that. Not too mention the secrecy of many things by the church and their heavy involvement into Politics.

Thomas Paine had some pretty rough things to say about the Catholic Church. Like the fact that they had rearranged the Bible and Added and removed from it something else specifically forbidden.

um, I'm Catholic, and I

um, I'm Catholic, and I definitely don't worship the pope or idols.... I think you're seriously mistaken.

Excellent!

Tancredo was balanced but straight to the point.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

I thought he was promoting

I thought he was promoting human rights. Globalism is against human rights.

He probably doesn't even know about all the UN conspiracy theories... he probably just went there to speak because it's convenient... all the countries of the world in one spot, makes sense.

human rights are innate and unalienable

You obviously did not read the text of the Pope's speech. The language that he uses is quite subtle and telling.

If he was promoting "human rights" as purported, he inadequately articulated that human rights are innate and unalienable and not something granted or bestowed by governments (especially the "international order" which he overglorifies in his speech), as our wise Founding Fathers enshrined in this nation's founding documents.

"We don't have to start a brand new revolution...All we have to do is restore the original Constitution." -Ron Paul

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

So I suppose then that since

So I suppose then that since I'm Catholic, the pope and me are scheming to take over the world? Yup, we're elitists, we're secretly plotting to get you and turn you all Catholic. We join secret groups that kill people like Jesus' many children... that's right I admit it. mwaa hahahaha.

really, unless you're Catholic and ACTUALLY KNOW what we believe, then you really don't, so don't trash talk us.

I think he stated above

that he was a Catholic. He isn't discussing Catholics, he is discussing the Pope's speech. Any leader of a religion is not immune to scrutiny.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Peace be with you

That's patently ridiculous. I stated above in the original post that I am in fact catholic and I was not attacking or criticizing Catholics. I was criticizing the Pope and what I perceived as the promotion of globalism on his part.

Peace be with you.

"We don't have to start a brand new revolution...All we have to do is restore the original Constitution." -Ron Paul

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

the catholic church is also

the catholic church is also infiltrated by communists. It has been this way since long time ago.
The pope may be one of the FIFTH COLUMN.

please read THE PLOT AGAINST THE CHURCH for free at:
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

That Book quite distorts history

As a scholar of the Protestant Reformation I can tell you that that book is an extremely fictional account on this very vital subject. Read the "History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century" by J.H. Merle D'Aubigne and you will get the facts on this. The Waldenses, for example were a very sincere people who were banished to the alps for keeping their faith and the seventh-day Sabbath. They were treated viciously and died a horrible death at the hand of the Roman Catholic church. History of religious intolerance on both sides of the fence is tragic and something we should never repeat.
Anyone who wants to understand an incredible time in history should get D'Aubigne's account. It is difficult to find, though, and extremely long.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

hopefully that Hitler Youth,

hopefully that Hitler Youth, Liberace dressing commie gets his funny hat shoved up his ass soon.

show me one passage in the Bible that states "God's main man on earth must dress like a pimp." the pope is a made up position. it's bulls**t like everything else.

No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in - Bill Hicks

The thing I was most interested in

Was that his first purpose for being here was stated by the MSM as political. Why is the head of the Catholic church so much in the middle of running the world. Makes me wonder if he is one of the super secret few above David Rockefeller and all the other CFR/BB people. There supposedly is a few above the secret societies that no one at all knows who they are.

That's the Question

A representative of Christ on earth is not supposed to be getting involved in world politics but is supposed to be spending their time and resources getting everyone acquainted with Jesus Christ. He states several times that the Holy See is, in so many words, intimately involved in the world political process.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

I have been trying to tell you

Anyone that is a leader in the world, religious or not, is part of the system. Check out the book "The Vatican Empire," by Nino Lo Bello. It is used with a few copies left. People should snatch it up. God bless all of you and follow God, not man.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Wow

that book goes from $5.25 to $91.25 used. Why such a high price?? Anyway, I got the cheap paperback.

I have no idea

I got mine at a used bookstore for .25 several years ago. I had no idea what a goldmine I had landed upon. The information in it, though, is priceless.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Pius XI was the last pope to

Pius XI was the last pope to comdemn the New World Order's actions I think. He tried to reform the monetary system.

This is the same Catholic

This is the same Catholic Church that did nothing of significant measure to condeem Fascism in an overwhelming Catholic state, Italy, and did likewise with Nazism and Hitler. This is also the same institution that has shuttled around priests who abuse children from church to church.This is also the same institution that lobbies for illegal immigration, amnesty and is working to destroy the fabic of our nation. Sorry, but our cause does not need their support.