HOW TO GET RON PAUL NOMINATED - ANYWAY

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HOW TO GET RON PAUL NOMINATED - ANYWAY

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This is not the time to back off and just haggle about resolutions and platforms at state and national conventions. It's time to FIGHT!
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by Alex Wallenwein
(Conservative)
Friday, April 18, 2008
A Strategy
Some Meetups are already giving up hope, but there is a way for us to get Ron Paul the nomination, and it is absolutely doable.

In a nutshell: If enough delegations sit out the first and second vote, McCain won't get his required majority, and the national convention will become a brokered one- which means anything goes.

There are two main hurdles to accomplishing this:

1. To be even presented for nomination, Ron must be able to "demonstrate the support" of a majority of the delegates from at least five states.

2. Getting enough state delegations to sit out the first two votes won't be easy but it is totally within the realm of the possible!.

What depresses so many delegates is that in order to even be selected as delegates to go to the National Convention, they are required by state party rules to sign a pledge that they will "support" John McCain. That is not the end of the story, however.

The only consequence of that is that a delegate's vote for anyone other than McCain will simply not be counted.

That's all!

There are no legal ramifications for breaking that pledge. There are only possible ethical concerns. These ethical concerns, however, are completely swept aside by the possibility of simply NOT VOTING the first time around.

The RNC's party rules expressly contemplate and acknowledge that State Delegations may choose to sit out a vote. Rule 37c states:

(c) In balloting, if any delegation shall pass when its name is called, then at the conclusion of the roll call all delegations which passed shall be called in the order herein before established. No delegation shall be allowed to change its vote until all delegations which passed shall have been given a second opportunity to vote.

That means (a) it's ok to abstain from voting, and (b) the only consequence is that the passing delegation(s) must be given another chance to vote before any other delegations are released from their pledges.

The Big Challenge:

The big hurdle to climb is the requirement of paragraph (b) of Rule 40, which states that in order to even be presented for nomination, a candidate must be able to demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates of at least five states. Here is the rule:

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

The rule does not define what precise "demonstration of support" is required. In other words, it is not necessary that Ron Paul must have won a majority of the "beauty contest" (popular primary) vote in five states in order to be entitled to all their delegates.

What is a demonstration of support?

A candidate can ask that the delegations of five states where he believes he has enough support be polled by roll call so as to enable him to demonstrate that he has the support of a majority of delegates then and there at the National Convention.

That means we have to get to work on the delegates of each state after the state conventions are over.

Many Republicans hate McCain, or at least dislike him.

There is a huge arsenal of issues on which McCain has exposed himself as a sell-out to conservative Republicans: national sovereignty, free speech (McCain/Feingold), amnesty, guns, abortion you name it, he has voted against conservative values on these.

There is also evidence he "sang" in Vietnam, costing untold numbers of his fellow POWs their life.

It should not be too difficult to convince conservative delegates not to vote for him with that evidence especially in light of the fact that the party rules explicitly contemplate the "passing" of votes by state delegations!

The Strategy:

The strategy therefore must be to get as many Ron Paul delegates selected to represent their state at the National Convention.

That means our delegates need to stay low key.

Resolutions are a dead giveaway, especially when they are fought over things like opposition to the war, or abolishing the Federal Reserve and the IRS, all signature issues of Ron Paul.

So, the best plan is to shut up, move along, do what you ave to do to get selected, sign the pledge to "support" McCain (it doesn't say you promise not to abstain!) and just get in short of outright lying, of course.

If there are any ethical concerns about this supposed "stealth tactic", think about what ethical concerns you may have if you allow McCain to become president by your inaction.

Old guard Republicans may complain about supposed "stealth" or

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Full article: http://www.nolanchart.com/article3486.html

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this is wonderful, BUT...

this is wonderful, BUT...

what makes you think the party is going to allow us to get away with it? We've seen how they operate. They don't care about rules. Dr. Paul could win every vote and then someone up top would award the nomination to McCain anyways. Let's hope I'm wrong.

The scum that run the GOP

I was a Junior Republican (HS student) in 1964, when the GOP keynote speaker Hugh Scott, a senator from PA, blasted presumptive party nominee Barry Goldwater again and again. When Goldwater eventually got the nomination, party "moderates" took pride in walking out and forming "Republicans for Johnson." These are the same kind of trash that are now telling YOU you "must" support John McCain. Tell the party leaders, if they want the GOP in tatters, let it be now, because you will NOT tell us how to vote. As it stands, with no Ron Paul, McCain will lose at least 49 states against Obama (50, if Obama taps Arizona governor Janet Napolitano as his running mate). That's not wishful thinking. Just count up the votes in GOP and Democratic primaries so far. Tell the party establishment the only Republican left in the House will be Ron Paul and the only Republicans left in the Senate will be those not up for re-election. Play for keeps, because they certainly will.

IAM PASSING THIS ON TO MY MEETUP GROUP!!!

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET A LIST OF DELEGATES FROM YOU STATE THAT ARE GOING TO NATIONAL CONVENTION??? OR A LIST OF DELEGATES GOING TO STATE CONVENTION (even better)

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Sorry, I don't have this information, but somepeople around here would know

No Obligation to be honorable with dishonorable people

Given the voter fraud, media manipulation and outright dirty committed by the party establishment (not to mention, John McCain breaking campaign finance laws), I'd certainly feel no obligation to honor a "pledge" to support John McCain. If you REALLY want to play hardball with the state and national party, sign a petition to decertify the GOP on the November ballot, should they require delegates to support someone who used fraud to get on the state ballot in the first place.

We'll Tell You Who You're Voting For, Comrade

This is the part that really gets me:

"...in order to even be selected as delegates to go to the National Convention, they are required by state party rules to sign a pledge that they will "support" John McCain."

Let me get this straight...

...the GOP has a big ol' expensive shindig...so that delegates from around the country can gather together and tell the GOP the desires of their own state...

...but in actuality, the Nat'l GOP is telling the delegates who the "choice" _is_ (McCrime)...

...so...um...why have the big expensive shindig at all? If the Nat'l party is going to make this choice unilaterally, and force it upon delegates...there seems to be no reason to have a convention at all -- other than the illusion of having a nominating delegation!

And Republicans are okay with this? Even the actual McCain supporters out there? Would the GOP make this requirement if the remaining two (or three) Republican candidates were of the anointed CFR group?

Is the Dem GOP telling Dem delegates who their nominee "is" also? Are they forcing their delegates to pledge for one particular nominee?

Where within the Nat'l GOP rules does it say that the Nat'l GOP itself can tell delegates who to support?? That's a question I'd really like to know the answer to!!

Rahab Did It

In God We Trust!

In the book of Joshua, the harlot Rahab lied about the whereabouts of the Israel spies in order to protect them, AND save herself, AND her family from the oncoming destruction of the city of Jericho, and was later in the book of Hebrews regarded as one of the faithful of God.
I see this as a very similar situation folks.
We must do whatever we must do, in order to stop all this war and torture and killing, especially with now Iran in the sights of McCain and Bush and others. If we don't end this, who I ask will?
War sucks, and this political war is no different. Don't let the mandate of fidelity to McCain trouble you. Our goal is to save this nation and millions of lives worldwide. We do what we must do!
There is but one choice, let us then do it!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

awesome !!

awesome !!

Great Read

Great article, they are willing to violate party rules for their own purposes, we need to be able to compete at the same level as distasteful as we may find it to be.

agog

Alex Plewniak
Bonita, CA

As hard a pill as it is to swallow

Politics is a dirty game. God forgive us but lets get dirty as we can try not to lie half lie. But to let McCain a liberal be the nominee of the Republican Party would be the biggest threat to Conservative Values ever!

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Let's get BISSAY

LET'S DO IT!

I like your moves...and I like your style. They break their own rules in the GOP so why should anyone feel guilty?! We're not harming anyone...

Ron Paul Revolution continues...

Jack

Jack Z.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." -- Ron Paul

LET'S DO IT!

I like your moves...and I like your style. They break their own rules in the GOP so why should anyone feel guilty?! We're not harming anyone...

Ron Paul Revolution continues...

Jack

Jack Z.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." -- Ron Paul

LET'S DO IT!

I like your moves...and I like your style. They break their own rules in the GOP so why should anyone feel guilty?! We're not harming anyone...

Ron Paul Revolution continues...

Jack

Jack Z.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." -- Ron Paul

have to agree with you,

have to agree with you, Jack, so bump!!

Can People Please Post the Wording of the Various Pledges?

I would think there are issues such as:

Does supporting McCain exclude supporting anyone else? If not, send McCain a dollar, and vote for Ron Paul.

I've heard that the Chair of each state may place the vote for each states' delegation, in cases where the votes are pledged. In that case, any action would have to be taken at the state level, ahead of time.

I still like the idea of the delegations of five states wearing Ron Paul gear and singing a chorus of one of the Ron Paul songs, as a show of support.

I disagree that haggling over the platform issues is a mistake. It may be the best chance of victory. Some of the local caucuses reported losses to McCain delegates, but passage of the Ron Paul platform.

IMissLiberty

IMissLiberty

Big Bump!

This is one of the most concise and clear articles I've read on how to get the good Dr. nominated legally and ethically.

You have to respect the rules.

;-)

How About Respecting GOP Rules About Lying To Get Us Into WAR

That sounds like something one of your relatives probably said about the British rules back in 1776.

How about respecting all of the GOP rules that they broke in favoring McCain, over Ron Paul from the beginning?

What about respecting the GOP vote counting rules that they not only broke but falsified the results?

Respect the GOP rules, give me a break.

yes

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