We need "permission" for so many things in this country...

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Tonight I found out that in my town we need to have a permit simply to have a little campfire on our own property. So, we actually need permission from somebody in our township to have a campfire and roast marshmallows.

Not only that, we have to pay for this permission as well. My brother said he thinks the guy from the fire department said it was something like $50 per month for the permit.

It's not as if we live in the center of town, either, with neighbors all around us. We are 10 miles away from the center of town with 5 acres and a cleared backyard area of at least 100' x 60' or so.

I could see needing permission if I wanted to do something crazy like burn down the forest on my property, but not for a campfire.

We need "permission" for so many things in this country, are we even ever really free? Maybe it's not the entire country, it might just be New Jersey that is like this.

Ugh...

Simply another reason that we need more freedom minded politicians in our government.

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Good Forum.

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Is a marriage license required?

Interesting read from Peter Kershaw. www.http://hushmoney.org/MarriageLicense-5.htm

They nickel and dollar you

for you just to live nowadays if we really think about it.

It's truly sad. If people would just realize most of their problems come from government running their lives for them.

Did they ever think that we might have more medically insured people, fewer poor, more jobs, better citizen security, if we all didn't get nickeled and dollared to death for basically every move we make in life.
These are just a few examples.

Why is being individually prosperous not encouraged by our government?

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Robbers

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Basically its about stealing your money. You can burn a fireplace, inside the house of course, whenever you want. So, whats the difference? Consider it an unjust tax or, just "nonsense", I suspect. A luxury tax?

View Two:

They want to control you! They love to control! Control, control, control!

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Stupid laws are made according to the population growth, hence, more people, more stupid laws.
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In Florida

recreational or religious fires are exempt from any permit requirements. Have hot dogs and bibles on hand....

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

A motto a lot of us ...

...in the military have is this: It is easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission.

I try to apply this wherever I can...I can usually take the hit for it. People will get so frustrated and fed up if you continually feign ignorance or outright stupidity that you can usually get away with ignoring stupid rules. :)

The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!

The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!

A relevant article

December 10, 2007

Freedom vs. Tyranny: Here We Go Again

By Darrell Corbyn

Most Americans believe we live in a free country where our money and lives are ours to control. They contrast our perceived freedom with openly Communist countries like China and North Korea and conclude that we must be a free country. But the oppressive laws, regulations and taxes imposed on us by recent Presidents and their administrations far exceed what was done to us by King George III of England before the American Revolution. Ronald Reagan recognized this in 1985: "America was born in the midst of a great revolution sparked by oppressive taxation...Well, my friends, the time has come for a second American revolution."

Taxes

When Americans think of taxes, most people immediately think of the income tax that is deducted from their wages. Unfortunately, this is only a small fraction of our contribution to our ever increasing government. Most of our contributions come in the form of an indirect tax. This can include taxes on items and services such as: our enormous gas tax, toll roads, license fees, permits, sales tax, property tax, entrance fees and at least eighty other taxes that we pay every year without thinking. There are also many hidden taxes that we never see that are passed on to us in the form of a price increase from manufacturers and businesses. Also there is the forgotten tax, inflation.

An indirect tax is considered voluntary because you are not forced to pay it unless you buy the product or use the service. Since these taxes and fees are placed on items and services most Americans use or need to operate in our society, they are hardly voluntary.

In all, US citizens are persuaded to give up to 64% of their income each year to the government for redistribution. This includes spending our money to fight undeclared wars, pay interest to the unconstitutional private Federal Reserve, and fund services that the majority of us don’t agree with or even know about. This is more than ten times as much as King George III was taxing us before we stood up against England in the American Revolution. Former IRS Commissioner T. Coleman Andrews said it all in 1956, "I believe that a better way to raise revenue not only can be found but must be found because I am convinced that the present system is leading us right back to the very tyranny from which those, who established this land of freedom, risked their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to forever free themselves..."

As long as we are able to keep buying a few luxury items and continue to get a check that has the appearance of acceptable taxation, most people consider themselves free even though many are enslaved by debt. We grumble about the 10 to 20% missing from our check to pay the obvious taxes, but we do nothing about it. However, if the real amount of up to 64% was taken out all at once and we were left with only 36% of our income, there would be an immediate uprising against our government. As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

Laws and Regulations

Instead of simply punishing those who harm others, the entire population is oppressed with laws and regulations that are designed for the exception rather than the rule. Every year thousands of them are passed at Federal, State, County and City levels that control every aspect of our lives and infringe on our right to live free. Many of these laws are said to be for our safety, security, or well-being, but they have nothing to do with protecting the rights of the people. These laws and regulations pile up year after year, rarely expire, and eventually make criminals out of good citizens. Furthermore, legislation like the Patriot Act and the issuance of Executive Orders that give outright power to the President, openly violate the Constitution and strip us of our freedoms.
Unknown to most people, Presidential Directives like NSPD-51 and HSPD-20 that are issued by the President, give him dictatorial power upon his sole determination and declaration of a “catastrophic emergency.” They include broad definitions and lack Congressional oversight that is suppose to protect the people. All of this is done without regard for the Constitution, and is hardly the workings of a free society.

If the definition of freedom is the power or right to act, speak, or think freely, then we are losing it to these totalitarian measures. Early in the 20th century, Americans forgot the true meaning of freedom and now accept an alternate definition given to them by select leaders. People now consent to laws being passed that take away their liberties and right to privacy, while believing it will help preserve their freedom. This type of Orwellian Doublethink has become common and is rarely ever challenged.

Our freedom is not a gift from the government with terms and conditions. It is our natural right, and it was bequeathed to us by our forefathers long ago through a bloody struggle. Thomas Paine, the catalyst for the American Revolution, said “It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government.”

Does the permit

come with training on how to have a proper camp fire? At $50 they should include training.

thank god.....

we have government to protect us. Can you imagine the chaos and suffering in a world without shameless bureaucrats? Why people would be free to just do whatever they want on their own property! No, no, we need these people to manage us so that we don't screw things up ourselves. Obviously they are far more competent and reasonable....

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

someone told me

that there were over 60,000,000 laws on the books.

I would love to see those that say "WE NEED A LAW" attempt to read and understand all the ones we currently have.

You have to have a permit

to change out a toilet.

WITH FREEDOM COMES RESPONSIBILITY!!

And also permission to have

And also permission to have hot water in your house...

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Does This Mean I Can't Light A Wooden Matchstick?

In my county, I think they recently banned all wood fires outright. No burning wood, period.

Does that also cover people

Does that also cover people who heat their homes with a wood burning fireplace?

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YES, john2k

Homes constructed with wood-burning fireplaces have been banned for some years now -- in my region of the county, all new houses built since 2002 (perhaps even 2000) are allowed to have only gas fireplaces by mandate.

Do I need to mention that I live in California?

The fireplace in my house is sealed with glass, so I can't even open it up to get to the faux logs if I wanted to, without using tools or damaging its frontispiece.

This is quite a shocker. I

This is quite a shocker. I honestly believed that you were going to say fireplaces inside homes are fine. I cannot understand any government banning fireplaces nor total bans on wood burning.

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We ignore county laws

We ignore county laws because it's our property.

If there is a fire hazard, you don't want to set a fire that might potentially damage your property and others, that's being a good neighbor. But if there is no hazard and you take the needed precautions, light up.

So many fees, permits and

So many fees, permits and having to get permission to do something on YOUR property. People have been put down for so long that they just submit willfully to the government. Our founding fathers would launch an immediate revolution if they came back and saw what was happening. The level of British tyranny does not hold a candle to the tyranny we live under today.

And that's what you do. If they try to come on your property, you demand to see their search warrant. If they don't show one, you don't open the door or comply. Of course the official might taser (torture) you for your non-compliance against his high authority.

actually ron paul thinks fees are good way

to replace taxes.

"...the most memorable concern of mankind
is the guts it takes to
face the sunlight again."-Charles Bukowski

You are misunderstanding his

You are misunderstanding his position.

He wants fees for what people use from the government - such as roads, etc. The gas tax can be considered a user fee, for example.

Property is something you own. Why should the government charge you a fee for owning property?

Contracts, contracts,

Contracts, contracts, contracts...

Read this about land:

http://www.teamlawproductions.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=...

Too many stupid laws are a

Too many stupid laws are a primary reason we have lost our freedoms. Not everything is a "shadow conspiracy". The nature of government itself is to control human beings. It starts with a well-meaning idea and ends in tyranny.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

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Support the Constitution of the United States

That`s it !

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"Since 1789 the only government on Earth that has the power to crush the American people`s liberties across the board is the government of the United States"
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"It's not who will let me...

It's who will stop me"

Ayn Rand

What galls me most is that

What galls me most is that the government only obeys/enforces the laws it finds to its liking. Since the abuse of Presidential Signing Statements, the commander in chief has become an Emperor in all but name only.

Meanwhile, the government will tell you what you are expected to do on your land or in your car, and you are expected to dutifully obey.

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permission

If only 10% of us just stopped asking for permission...stopped paying their taxes...stopped following their rules...just lived our lives...

How can they imprison 30,000,000 Americans...

There aren't enough cops in the world...

Dave

Teaching Flying...and talking Ron Paul...and Liberty!

Teaching Flying...and talking Ron Paul...and Liberty!

Nothing happens. 30 million people already don't pay taxes.

Over 20 million of them are illegal aliens for starters.

Put 30,000,000 in prison? Piece of cake.
30 million American cow people would walk into prison camps if they got an official postcard telling them to do so. 12 years of government indoctrination wasn't for nothing, you know.
The government would just have us prisoners put up a fence and tell us prisoners to dig latrines.

Two million were displaced by Katrina, plus two million more in prison already. Imprison them in a Superdome and let predatory gangs go to work establishing order. That's the model.

Pay for it? They've already got 30 million on welfare of one kind or another.

No problem. USA! USA!

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Amen---And yes, I can hear my fellow Christians....

quote 'submit to government authorities' but the same inspired writer was also inspired to say--Determine for yourselves whether we should obey God or man--Also, if the Constitution is the highest law in the land, then lesser laws that violate the letter or spirit of the Constitution are logically invalid.

-Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

Tell me about it

I just bought a motorcycle in TN and it reminded me of all the BS that a person has to go through just to change vehicles. New title, new registration, new insurance, new license, pay tax on the purchase, pay tons of processing fees. What a joke!

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Stop

Asking for permission and do it.