Martial Law is Now Officially Underway
Submitted by haightashbury1969 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 18:31
http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2008/180408impact.htm
We have now fully devolved into an authoritarian police state. If you haven't begun to make preparations, now is the time, and it is running out.
Good Luck patriots.....
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information is a good thing
and so is discernement. I am tired of watching people thrash people on a forum for posting information. That is what a forum is for. right? posting and discussing, not necessarily attacking. Just my two cents, while I still can give it, living in FrEE America.
wow, ok.....
First of all, some of you need to chill out a little bit. You are taking what I am saying and trying to put words in my mouth.
Secondly, Rainey, you should probably just stay out of this, every comment I have seen from you makes you seem like you have no clue what you are talking about. Maybe I just can't read or something.....and by the way, if you feel obliged, you can stop with the acid jokes. I made this name when I was watching "drug years" on VH1. I have never done acid and I am not from the sixties. But, you don't have to take my advice....
Thirdly, I never said Somalia was 'good'. Of course they still experience a lot of residual violence from their chaotic past, and also they have violence because the international bureaucrats keep trying to install a central government. JeffH, if you read your article you put a link to, who is the one causing the violence? From your article, "Militias allied to the Somali government recaptured a southern port from Islamists on Tuesday, taking the death toll from an upsurge of fighting in recent days to nearly 100, witnesses said." It is the artificial goverment created by IGAD.
As for bbagnall, I'm not really sure what you are talking about. State-provided liability insurance? There is no government, that is why I brought Somalia up as a random example in the first place, and thats why some people flipped out (what?? an African country better off without government??). Here is a quote from a Dutch lawyer who has lived there for 12 years, this might help you understand what I am talking about, "For kritarchy to prevail, it is indeed necessary that its 'operatives' assume their responsibilities and form the country's new supra-structure. Who are these operatives ? Not only the private judges and policemen, but also, and even primarily, the insurance companies. In a kritarchy, everybody is insured for his liabilities under the law. Those who are not insured will find it almost impossible to do business or find employment; they will be treated as outlaws. In a kritarchy, a violation of the law may entail higher insurance premiums for the perpetrator. That constitutes a strong incentive for respecting the natural rights of other people. The insurance companies themselves also have an important stake preventing crimes and torts from being committed. The less crimes and torts, the less they will have to pay to their customers."
There you have it. Of course Somalia is not without problems, it still has a lot of unnecessary violence, but it is beginning to stabilize on account of it being stateless.
I understand your reactions, but I think you took what I said to mean "Somalia is an ideal place" instead of "Need an example for effective private law? Look at Somalia."
Look, I'm no expert on Somalia, but do a little research before you react so easily with all your outrages.
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Dear HaightAshbury, your
Dear HaightAshbury, your comments would make MUCH more sense if you replied to others using "Reply" (inside their post to which you would like to reply) instead of just always hitting on "Add Comment". As it stands, we have no idea to what you are replying here.
well....
Look at present day Somalia, they do not have a government, and they have developed a very effective system. It is based on private property and voluntary association. Here is a quote about it from my blog, "
The five main characteristics of the Somali law are:
* No punishment for crimes, only restitution or compensation.
* No public prosecutors, no victimless crimes.
* Fines are limited and must be paid to the victim or to his family.
* Every person is insured for his liabilities under the law.
* Judges are appointed by the litigants, not by 'society'. "
Let's see here, no government cages, no forced state arbitration, no politically driven prosecutors, no arbitrary laws, an insurance network to ensure liability, and free market litigants instead of easily bribed public judges. And, best of all, the central tenets of their law system revolve around private property and voluntary association. Maybe we should take a hint from these uncivilized "barbarians", and privatize our law so that property can actually be protected instead of methodically abused and stolen. "
Here is where minarchism came from:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html
A stateless society creates order through the law which is based upon the intuitive principles of private property and voluntary association. Free market law allows for effectiveness and justice, and all without having to pay taxes to a corrupt state-owned justice system. Since there is no arbitrary force, there can be no devolution into oligarchy. Only a stateless free market society can hope to remain free and properous.
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Somalia is not Libertarianism
When you talk about no punishment and no jails, and everyone is insured for liabilities under the law, are you saying I can murder someone, then have my state-provided liability insurance pay for my murder and I continue walking the streets? Wow, psychopaths must love that system but it sure isn't Libertarianism. Where is the personal responsibility?
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Somalia as an example of 'good' anarchy?
You're kidding, right?
Somalia death toll nears 100 with fresh fighting
Tue 22 Apr 2008, 12:41 GMT
http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN249231.html
dropped out and turned off
Are you talking about Somali? Where people have spikes nailed into their heads for holding intollerant religious beliefs, over one million in the last few decades? Good example acid head.
Culture is Religion externalized.
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"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."
OK...
I was trying with all my might to ignore you, and then you pulled out the: "tyranical humanists" remark. Humanists aren't capable of tyranny. Only political power combined with the citizen's belief in authoritarianism can result in tyranny. Humanists, especially secular humanists, neither have political power nor a belief in authoritarianism.
I believe I shall put you in the "Doesn't know what they are talking about" or the "Blinded by too much spiritual gooble-gabble" categories.
And don't go accusing me of being an athiest acid-taker or whatever you might come up with. And, one philosophy that has never, ever worked is authoritarianism based on a few controlling people - you know - like powerful preachers and presidents - or kings.
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"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."
Man will be governed by a
Man will be governed by a power within him or by a power without, by God or by the bayonet. The MOTO of the first American Revolution was, NO KING BUT KING JESUS. Take your pick, man or God. Dr. Paul has chosen God, and I'm on his team.
Culture is Religion externalized.
It's spelled "motto" unless you're talking cars then it is "moto
I'd like to know more about that motto -- can you provide a link?
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www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21482
metrovoice.net/2006/.../0706_articles/no_king_but_king_jesus.html
Google, Sam Adams and "The Sons of Liberty".
What is masquerading as "Protestant" religion today is as False a religion as the Roman religion was in 1500. Saint Augustine book, The City of God (versus the city of man) is a good place to start.
Culture is Religion externalized.
black regiment
Culture is Religion externalized. There are many excellent comments here, but George Washington declared the twin pillars of good government were Religion and Morality. Yes, the solution lies in the pulpits of America. Bad government is a reflection of bad culture; bad culture is a reflection of bad religion. Culture is Religion externalized. America is plagued by the FALSE RELIGION of Arminianism. Until America returns to the true religion recaptured from Rome in the protestant reformation, Augustianism, all efforts will end up in some humanistic form of the French Revolution. It is Arminianism, Dispensationalism, and Darwinianism that are destroying our constitutional republic. Sicko individual republicans and democrats are simply acting out the logical results of their belief systems. Everyone is religious. There is no neutrality
Culture is Religion externalized.
speaking of Black Regiment...
You have heard of Chuck Baldwin's Black Regiment, I presume? There seem to be a few members of group in our area.. you might be interested in checking out pastors in your area. www.chuckbaldwinlive.com
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black regiment is growing
Chuck Baldwin and the other folks at newswithviews.com are trying to shake the public schooled brain washing from the lemmings, unfortunatly few see the philosophical dead end of humanism and evolution. The government control of education has done its evil deed.
Culture is Religion externalized.
I'd have to say i disagree with your analysis.....
All these things you bring up, whether really problems or not, are only symptoms of the real root cause, the existence of the state. The state creates insanity, ignorance, chaos, confusion, and then many things rise up as a result of all this idiocy. Bad government is not a reflection of bad culture, it is the State that infects the culture since it is the insanity of the State which must be justified with lie after lie, confusion after confusion, ignorance after ignorance, etc, etc....
Washington was great, but he wasn't the brightest person and he was an aristocrat at heart. I admire his incredible resolve and rejection of power (all the much more amazing considering his background), but I don't think he truly understood the root causes of our problems.
The sad fact is, even a Constitutional Republic eventually degenerates into oligarchy, and the forces that accomplish this are the inevitable result of positing an artificial institution like the state with a monopoly on violence and theft. If politicians actually abided by the Constitution, then everything woul work beautifully, but this will never happen. Even if we have a revolution and restore the Constitution, generations down the line will again be in our same position. No "return" to any religion or set of ideals can save a Republic from devolution into oligarchy and chaos. This ten thousand year experiment called government has failed, and it is time we did ourselves and all future generations a great favor by taking a giant leap for mankind and striking this monstrosity called government into the annals of history forever. If anarcho-capitalism is allowed to finally rise up in full form, government will never again be able to rear it's ugly head. Then mankind can finally step out of ten thousand years of darkness and truly begin to evolve into something greater than we now can conceive....
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One Nation Under God
Liberty without Law has been the cry of anarchists since the Garden of Eden. America was founded on the principle of Liberty under Law. Your evolutionary humanist mindset severly limits your hopeless futuristic view too some mindless time plus chance event. Too much acid at haight-asbury?
Culture is Religion externalized.
Liberty is a law unto
Liberty is a law unto itself.
I can not believe in liberty for myself without believing in liberty for others.
It's a self reinforcing philosophy that needs no external support.
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haha maybe so, but that is what we would expect right?
Without law?? I never advocated chaos! I believe in natural law, not legislation. Just look at how english common law use to work, or at Medieval Icelanders. They had a private court system with natural laws and it was very effective. The laws were developed by precedent and generally deal with private property and voluntary association.
If institutions like justice and protection were in the realm of the free market they would constantly be under forces of competition, and would have to constantly improve in order to keep up. Or, imagine the effect of having some truly free market media, not these conglomerates. Wouldn't Americans be so less dumbed down, and maybe even a little informed? Or think about how we can attribute most of our recent technological advancement since revolutionary days to simply removing the fetters placed on us by government. Imagine a society with no fetters to development, technology would explode. And what is more natural than private property and voluntary association? Let the market decide so that the individual is king.
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You would make Robspierre
You would make Robspierre proud, at least untill the guillotine falls.
Culture is Religion externalized.
Don't believe in any garden of eden but
I do know that anarchists want liberty without the state. Anarchists have codes not laws and they can make great neighbors.
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many kinds of government
The question is; is man basically good or basically bad, depraved? The Biblical answer is man is hoplessly depraved, sinful. The humanist answer that man is basically good and a product of environmental or external infulances. The historical evidence upholds the Biblical position. State government, called civil government, is only one government amoung many, familly government, church government, your work is a form of government, and even time is a form of government. Government, or authority, is an inescapable concept.
Culture is Religion externalized.
Guess I"ll stick with the humanists then because I believe
people are basically good. I don't subscribe to your holy book anymore. Best thing I ever did -- you can keep your dark clouds of sinfulness and depravity. I'm going to mow my neighbors lawn for him while he's on vacation. Guess I'm just one of those darned helpful Humanists.
Have a nice day.
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well how do you define "government"?
I would say government is a monopoly on violence and theft, I never said anything about authority. Authority from a parent or teacher can be useful to a person who may lack discipline. But a group of people with the power to initiate coercive force to implement public policies which always accomplish the opposite of the intent seems pretty unnecessary.
It seems you define "government" as "authority"....church government?? The church doesn't govern me. Family government? Nope. Those are voluntary associations for me.
And "time" as a form of government? Doesn't "government" imply conscious control or manipulation?
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Unfortunately, I've never
Unfortunately, I've never heard an explanation of how Anarcho-capitalism would work without developing government by default. A privatized legal system is still a legal system, i.e., government by default.
Not that I am at all unsympathetic to the anarcho-cap's basic concept, which is that all government is bad. No argument there. I just favor the Minarchist concept of extremely minimal government, which---while far from a perfect system---has at least been tried.
There hasn't been a true anarchist system established yet in world history. Tribalism does not count.
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not sure about that....
Yes, anarcho-capitalism develops a legal system but NOT a government. The legal system is done through the free market and is purely voluntary, while the government does things through coercive force. Most problems can be done through 3rd party arbitration, and those who commit crimes and refuse to be taken to court simply become outcasts from society. Medieval Iceland had a private court system and it was very effective.
A-C's basic principles are private property and voluntary association, so yeah there can be no state. The only reason I'd be against a "minarchist" or limited government approach is that it always plants the seed for future devolution into oligarchy.
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Well, I'd have to see more
Well, I'd have to see more factual information on how effective medieval Iceland's private court system was; obviously, they no longer have such a system, do they?
Which leads to the point you made; minarchism does indeed always plant the seed for oligarchy--because power and ambition will always fill a void. That's something we can't control with checks and balances. And if you had an anarchist society, power and ambition would inevitably fill that void as well--in my opinion, sooner than a minarchist system with its rule of law.
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Noah Webster's 1828
Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of The English Language lists 12 definations of government. #1 direction; regulation, #2 control; restraint, # 3 is exercise of Authority; #4 is parental governent, #5 is state (civil) government. The fuse box in your home is a form of government. It regulates the flow of electricity and protects your home from overload, something you should have considered back at haight ashbury. Time is a restraint (or authority) (or natural law) we all live under and can not escape. Sorry to here you view family as a voluntary association. America was an experiment in self-government, which apparently is not doing too good right now.
Culture is Religion externalized.
haha. dude what are you talkng about.....
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Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of The English Language lists 12 definations of government. #1 direction; regulation, #2 control; restraint, # 3 is exercise of Authority; #4 is parental governent, #5 is state (civil) government. The fuse box in your home is a form of government. It regulates the flow of electricity and protects your home from overload, something you should have considered back at haight ashbury. Time is a restraint (or authority) (or natural law) we all live under and can not escape. Sorry to here you view family as a voluntary association. America was an experiment in self-government, which apparently is not doing too good right now.
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First of all, we are arguing about definitions, which is pointless since they are arbitrary. A rose by any other name is still a rose. But, if I were to humor you here, each of those five things you list imply conscious control, that is the essential difference that you are missing. A fuse box can't think, and does not have any human aspects. Yes, it is governed by the laws of nature, but it is not conscious control. I see the point you are trying to make, which is determinism. If everything is controlled by the laws of nature then you cannot escape what is already predetermined by history and the laws of physics.....Not sure if I buy that.
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