RUN YOUR CAR ON WATER!
Submitted by GalacticWacko on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 22:16
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm
I found this site after doing a little research. Some sites sell the manual that instructs how to convert your car. This is a public domain document that seems to be quite accurate. I will be having my friend build it for me over the next couple of weeks. I will document the progress and post a video if it works. If it does... HOLY CR@P!
I found the innitial site on Prison Planet. Here is the link that sells the manual. http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=cyprusmete
Sorry if this was posted already. Tooooo important to not do it again!
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A little trick
I have been working with these cells for a little while now and sell them on a local area where I live. I decided to try a little experiment by replacing the water with urine and a little baking soda. Because urine is high in nitrogen and electrolytes, the extraction of Hydrogen is a little more concentrated and will increase or boost your mileage per gallon verses just using water. If you want to get a little more creative also try adding a little copper into the mix.
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Anyone seen this?
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Some broadcast engineer discovered how to make salt water burn,while trying to find a cure for cancer.
It probably uses more energy than is released,but I am no scientist.
Interesting in the sense that salt water is abundant.
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He isn't burning water....
He is either clueless (unlikely) or dishonest... It is using a high-power field of radio frequency (or possibly microwave) waves to break the water into hydrogen and oxygen.
He's putting FAR more energy into the system than is being recovered by burning the H2 and O2 gas mixture at the top of the test tube. This is a con for those who know very little about science (including the goofball reporters covering the "story").
Seems like every couple weeks someone starts another one of these threads (or brings back an old one with a new post).
Why do none of the proponents of these methods have even one good video or other source they can point to with solid data backing their claims? ...Might ruin their fun and/or income?
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Further to older posts on water powered engines I am pleased to announce that your major allie has successfully developed an hydrogen powered wankel type rotary which is the best thing since petrol/diesel powered motors were invented. Thank you. P.S. That's why they are looking for water on other planets to produce hydrogen from to power extended space flights in future. .someone should tell these guys that there is plenty of H2o here on earth.
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I bought that very book and so let me inform everyone.
In the first portion of that book, I made the gizmo which is called a "HydroMist" and it works! It's very simple to make and costs about $8 for parts which consist of: 1 clear plastic bottle 32 0z.( I used a peanut butter jar - Jiff - ) About 3 feet of 1/4 inch clear flexible plastic hose, a couple of barrbed hose fittings, 1 small bubbler stone which is what you'd find in an aquarium, and your ready to go. Drill two holes in the cap so that the fittings will fit snug when pushed or threaded through the cap. Make the holes about an inch apart or more. Connect one hose ( about 6 inches long that will go inside the jar) to the bubble stone and to the fitting that is INSIDE the jar cap. Connect one end of the other tube to fitting that is on the OUTSIDE of jar cap and connect the other end to either your plastic air intake or what I did was simply use a "T" connector to my PCV valve line which goes to the air intake. Make sure you use some kind of rubber washer on the hose side of the jar cap on both hoses to ensure a good seal.You simply place the bottle where it will fit best under the hood, secure it so it does not move around and fill with water to about 2 inches from the top of the jar.
Start the engine and the vacuum will create bubbles which will "mist" and run through the hose into the air intake manifold and the result is increased gas milage.
It is working beautifully for me after 3 weeks now and I love it.
I am getting 3 MPG increase! I have 1995 with a 4.6 engine and this very simply method works! That figures ( for me ) about an $10-$12 savings on each fill up at the present price of $3.75 per/ gallon.
The other portion of the book, seems a bit complicated and only pertains to carburetor engines, so I did not make that gizmo.
I have ordered an HHO generator from another site that should increase my mileage anywhere from 30-70% more than present.
It is on the way and I should have it installed sometime next week.
I will update approx. 2 weeks after the install.
Don't listen to the nay sayers.
The technology is here and getting out now to the masses via Internet.
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a lot of people in our
a lot of people in our meetup have been reading about this. But no one has tried it. I wish I were more mechanically inclined!! Thanks so much...I am so glad to hear it work..Keep us posted!!
Essentially
what that "Hydromist" is doing, is creating a vacuum leak in the induction system, creating a leaner mixture under high vacuum conditions(small throttle openings, and idling) and not doing much of anything at low vacuum conditions(large throttle openings).
The air "bubbling" thru the water is allowing a controlled amount of additional air into the engine, while the engine computer is basing its injector pulse calculations on the throttle-position sensor. So in simple terms, you're fooling the engine into squirting a little less gas thru the injectors, but you are going to be running a little leaner at small throttle openings. Not likely to be a real problem from that. At large throttle openings, it's likely that the vacuum pulled thru the jar/hoses won't be enough to even make any significant bubbling. If any of the water is actually making it into the engine, it is a very small amount, and not a major factor in what you're seeing. Perhaps similar to higher humidity conditions in the weather.
However, attributing this change to the water in the jar being some sort of fuel booster additive may be a bit of a stretch, considering that it's mostly(and probably totally) the vacuum leak causing the change. There are simple reasons why you are seeing a change, with this being one, and perhaps your driving may have become a little more conservative too, being that you are attempting to save fuel.
These things have been around forever, and every few years somebody thinks they lucked into the "next big thing". I first tried one of these same type of systems out on my car in 1975, with similar results. After I realized what was going on, I was a bit deflated, but it was a learning experience.
But, don't worry, if it is helping your mileage, then it's not necessarily a bad thing. Leaner conditions at idle and small throttle openings probably aren't the worst thing that you can do to an engine, as long as it is not much change.
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Has anyone tried this on European imports? BMW and Mercedes - I wouldn't want to mess them up.
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Don't forget that the allies
Don't forget that the allies i believe used water injection on their fighters in WWII to gain extra power. From my understanding the water flashing to steam(1000x volume expansion) in the cylinder is like an extra added explosion thus adding more power.
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That is true, and it does work by expansion, although it can be tough on the engine.
Water injection is still being used today and it is quite popular with performance enthusiasts. Because of water's high latent heat of vaporization characteristics, its particularly useful in turbocharged engines that run high boost pressures.
I didn't mean to insinuate that water injection cannot be effective from the point of view that you mentioned, or also in some other ways. Just that the Hydromist is operating quite differently than water injection.
Thanks for pointing that out about the water injection issue.
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couldnt
Couldnt you install a small wind turbine on the roof of your vehicle attached to a separate battery to run your HHO system? When you drive you automatically provide powerful winds; enough to give plenty of energy to an extremely small turbine and battery system. It could even be installed into the front grill of your vehicle, solving the power drain problem.
No point in doing so
You really aren't generating power by doing this...the energy you can gain by the turbine to produce electrolysis in the water must be less than the extra energy you expend by the drag on your vehicle.
You must drain power from somewhere in order to produce the energy to split water. You have the alternator that is generating power anyway, so it's pointless to create another power source.
Water will never run the car alone, you must have a power source stored somewhere on the vehicle. What these devices (the ones that truly work, mind you) is use some of the electrical power your car is already creating by the engine running, and using that power to split the water and inject the resulting hydrogen into the combustion chamber.
The only reason this works, is that gasoline engines are extremely inefficient in burning. You'll never be able to put only water into your car, unless you have some combustable fuel, a battery, a nuclear reactor...etc etc.
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I don't see why we can't
I don't see why we can't just use coal. Just carry around 300lbs of coal and have the wife shovel it in as you drive. It get those big Choo Choo trains moving.
Coal would need to be liquified or gassified
You can't burn solid coal in an internal combustion engine...it doesn't burn fast enough.
You can use an external combustion engine...but not in a car. The size the engine would need to be in order to power your car would be too bulky and heavy to carry onboard. External combustion engines are fine for power factories or train engines, but can't be compressed into a car.
Liquification of goal is actually very easy, and is 60+ year old technology. In fact, you can use liquified coal (with some additives) in your vehicle right this minute. The only reason you don't is it's expensive, and wasn't worth it when oil was 25 bucks a barrel. If oil stays high for very long, perhaps the infastructure would be built to generate liquid coal.
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Can't we go back to horses? You can ride, have a cart, or even have a stagecoach or covered wagon for bigger jobs.
No more crashes or stinky gas fumes...just horse apples and the sound of manes and tails waving in the wind...
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But I'm not going to. I like my car.
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They own the land and don't want to share. They intend for us to be in cities hemmed in and controlled totally.
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You could but
the extra drag created by the wind turbine would increase the energy needed by the car so....no net gain.
I have a little mechanical generator. You crank the handle and it generates electricity. I hook it up to an electromagnet and have the students crank away. The quickly feel that more energy is needed to turn the crank as the strength of the magnetic force increases. Energy is not created (under ordinary circumstances) it is only transformed or transfered.
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Right. Isn't that the 1st
Right. Isn't that the 1st law of thermodynamics.
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I have been seriously researching this for several months
I have some first hand experience with this subject - AND I AM NOT TAKING SIDES.
I am NOT stating that you can't improve your gas mileage with HHO electrolysis systems and I am not saying that you won't screw up your engine and get zero results ethier.
Having said that, I will say that the laws of physics have not been rewritten and Faraday's laws are still intact. There is no real magic that has been discovered in Stan Myers' garage in Ohio.
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I will be conducting a case study on a 1997 Programmable EFI vehicle to prove/disprove or understand what worked or did not.
Bottom line is this: CAN HHO INTEGRATED SYSTEMS PROVIDE SAFE RELIABLE IMPROVEMENTS IN GAS MILEAGE WITH A 6 MONTH to 1 YEAR PAYBACK???
Just understand facts before you do anything with this:
Gasoline (liter) = 9000 watts of energy
Liquid Hydrogen (liter) = 2600 watts of energy - (this is not HHO gas which is something like 2.5 watts.)
Amazingly (due to density) : There is more hydrogen in one gallon of PETROL GAS then there is in one gallon of Hydrogen -- sounds impossible, but true.
HHO is an energy CARRIER as apposed to
PETROL GAS which is a Source FUEL
(HHO is NOT a Fuel - it is an ASH - it carries FUEL, you can not use a liter of HHO to create 5 more liters of HHO.)
Educate yourself on issues and terms such as:
SAFTEY
Thermodynamics basics
extrogy
electrolysis
pulse width modulation in voltage applications
efficiency and energy loss from heat
PCV system
EFI and O2 control (EFIE) vs. MAP control
Having said all that:
The application of HHO on demand system appears to have a net positive effect on the performance and efficiency of certain ICE (internal Combustion Engines) and therefore could improve gas mileage in certain cases. Applying a FF transform pulse control voltage to electrodes in an electrolysis cell could reduce or help eliminate energy / heat loss and improve efficiency. Part of the benefit may be directly related to water vapors in the combustion from the gas stream and from HHO release, rather than the HHO ignition itself.
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If I may interject
here, I think that alot of people are focusing on a diversion.
It seems everyone is focusing on alternative fuels.
There is no problem with the fuel. Gasoline has plenty of energy, far in excess of what we need.
It's the internal combustion engines with efficiencies in the low 20% range, which are the problem here. It doesn't matter what fuel you use, if the engine just wastes it as heat losses.
Just figure out a way to make an engine with better efficiency(less losses) and the fuel problem(?) disappears.
You've got gobs of energy there, find a way to convert it more efficiently.
That is where the focus needs to be.
All this other crap is simply misdirected.
It's sort of like saying you don't have enough electricity available from your wall socket to light your house, when you are plugging in a light bulb that's made from a steel bar being heated to glowing red. You've got plenty of electric. It's the light bulb that sucks.
no "problem" with gas?
are you stupid? or just getting loaded this early in the day?
No
I just know that increasing efficiencies in producing work from any fuel is a better approach than continued wasting some other alternative fuel.
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He has a point
There is a way to use gas more efficiently. A hybrid was made utilizing gas that burns 100%. They get like 800 miles a gallon or something
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