Picture of "Dr" Steve Parent & Ronald Reagan in the Lincoln Room *** An Urgent Appeal to all fellow Patriots ***
***PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT OR BUMP IF YOU DONT READ THE ENTIRE EDITORIAL***
El-Buggo says: "Actually as a delegate to the national convention if you abstain you will be replaced by an alternate by your state chairman and your future in the party process is over, You will be on a cab back to the hotel with your credentials stripped." Now onto our OP:
The picture here is something like this:
"Dr" Steve Parent and some of those who followed his lead want "Bound Delegates" to not vote for John McAmnesty on the first ballot. Okay!
I see where this is going. A fiasco at the convention. ron Paul supporters being ejected by armed officers and a revolt at the RNC by "Ron Paul" Supporters. The media will crush Ron Paul in headlines. Not average Joe and Jane Ron Paul republicans. they will crush Ron Paul with negative articles. The Neo Con clowns will then fry the Good Doctor. Will we rally more conservatives behind us? No! Liberals, Independents? No! This will end this movement once and for all. It will also discredit and destroy the support and efforts of all 50+ Ron Paul Republicans running for office with their Republican bases, as if were not already scorned by both Neo-Cons and Neo-Liberals? Ron Paul's 30+ years of work will be destroyed. We will be labelled as people of no honor by the communist media.
The trotskyites will have full control over the party and we will be ousted because of a childish maneuver started by an Internet Ghost named "Steve Parent".
What Can we do? How can we get Ron Paul the nomination?
We either do it HONORABLY the Lincoln way? That is by making sure all or most State GOPS adopt a resolution for Ron Paul to speak at the Convention(like Alaska GOP did) where Republicans can hear him with no bias unfiltered around the US. Or the Reagan way! That is by doing what those people did http://youtube.com/watch?v=n-p-Nuu8hYQ
Act civil and muster support for the next election cycle so that we win like the reagan Republicans if we dont win like the Lincoln Republicans. The depression is coming anyways wether Ron Paul gets elected or not!
We have to use all legal and legitimate means necessary to muster more support from Conservatives. Not alienate them and destroy the GOP and destroy all our work! Most Ron Paul Republicans arent doing this but there are people who got brainwashed by internet ghosts that we can turn the RNC into a hippie fiasco where well get booted and kill Ron Paul's chances at getting elected ever again and kill all Ron Paul republican chances with their local parties. We will become the laughing stock of the century! but it will all fall upon the heart and shoulders of the 72 y/o Good Doctor
If you wish to listen to me and understand what Im saying Im grateful to God. If you wish to insult me and other Ron Paul Conservatives who want the best for ourselves and this movement then so be it. I have said what I wanted to say. If you like this editorial then please keep this bumped at all times and lets try to undo some of the damage that has already been done and work to elect as many delegates as possible for the Convention to change the party platform and let Ron Paul Speak and maybe even get him nominated on the 2nd or 3rd ballots. Since we know McCain dosent have enough bound delegates for the first ballot, If you have an obligation to vote for John McAmnesty as a Bound delegate in the 1st Round then please do so and dont embarass Ron Paul and hurt our cause while were trying to muster the support of Conservatives! Otherwise Vote Ron Paul! Hopefully McAmnesty wont get the first Ballot and thereby we may be able to nominate our man. But we shouldnt make an inferno if the Good Dr. dosent get the nomination.
Extra Input you dont have to read:
I quote nidhogge who called a post Ive written questioning "Dr" Steve Parent idiotic:
"I could care less if the party is divided, more power to them. Win by any means, or suffer a Depression. This isn't the same story as Reagan losing and then winning 4 years later. We'll be lucky to make it another 4 years where we're headed."
Then I quote Laurie's reply to nidhogges comment which is really beautiful:
"If "the party is divided" at the convention, how will *any nominee* from that convention be *elected* a short time later?
We will suffer a Depression, regardless of who gets elected (if there is an election *at all*).
RP does not have a "magic wand" to solve all the economic problems of our country just by walking through the White House door.
A key purpose of the RP movement is to get people involved at all levels of government, so that the deadlock in Congress can be ended with a move towards the conservative planks that RP has supported.
If RP becomes President with a majority of Democrats in Congress, how can President Dr. No make the requisite policy changes without Congressional laws passed first?"
Special thnks to Laurie, MelissaWV and many others whom I cant name for helping expose some hidden issues
A Concerned Ron Paul conservative
It's about time we identified the whackos who don't have a clue
Rules are the rules. Play the game to win, not to demonstrate heroic idiocy or ignorant suicide.
My faith is restored.
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. Now I'm beginning to believe it.
Clarence Darrow (1857 - 1938)
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. Now I'm beginning to believe it.
Clarence Darrow (1857 - 1938)
I believe Dr. Steve Parent
I believe Dr. Steve Parent has advocated using the delegate process to win the Republican GOP nomination. The delegate process is an open system to the public that is used to nominate a party's choice for president. SGP has not said anything about causing a fiasco in St. Paul. But let's face it...if we do successfully win enough state delegates at the local level, Ron Paul is probably going to win the nomination. That's the way the system works. The popular (fraud) vote does not matter. It will be a fiasco, but it won't be caused by us.
Everything SGP has talked about is in accordance with the law. If anything, the people causing problems at the RNC will be spooks trying to instigate something. This rEVOLution has never been about violence, nor will it ever be about violence. What's so exciting is how we are winning the delegate process (in a landslide) fair and square.
The media probably already has a plan of attack ready to be implemented. They will do everything in their power to destroy Ron Paul. They will bring back the charges or racism, they will call him a "kook," they will rehash the 911 issue, and they will be relentless in their pursuit of making sure Ron Paul is demonized to no end. It's going to backfire, it already has.
V for VICTORY
We will continue to become delegates and flood the process. On September 1st, St. Paul is going to be completely taken over by the Ron Paul rEVOLution. The only people breaking the law will be the scumbags trying to overturn the delegate process.
STATE conventions
What we need to do, and what I believe Steve Parent has advocated (among other things, perhaps) is to control the STATE conventions. At the STATE conventions we can vote to elect delegates WITHOUT a pledge, or with an altered pledge to follow their consciences. We can vote to change the state party's working rules at the convention to make this possible.
also
not all states have the same method of 'pledging' or 'binding' delegates. It may be that some individuals will not find the binding method of their state to be truly bdinding upon their consciences.
We are independent thinkers we don't follow anyone.
Is this a Revolution or a game of follow the leader? Each of us needs to act as individuals with unalienable rights. That means if you want to vote for Ron Paul that is your right. Otherwise they should change the rules and not have a convention at all and just follow the popular vote!
We are independent thinkers we don't follow anyone.
Is this a Revolution or a game of follow the leader? Each of us needs to act as individuals with unalienable rights. That means if you want to vote for Ron Paul that is your right. Otherwise they should change the rules and not have a convention at all and just follow the popular vote!
Dr Steve has inspired a lot
Dr Steve has inspired a lot of people to become delegates. I am tired of people like you throwing the baby out with the bath water and dividing us over this crap. We are big boys and girls we can decide for ourselves how we conduct things.
Just because you don't agree with DR. Steve on some things does not discount his work in helping us get through the delegate process. I don't agree with him on everything but many of his posts have been inspiring informative and helpful.
Also if we have a majority of delegates at the convention we can change the rules making everything perfectly withing the rules.
And where have you been the media has already crushed Ron Paul and supporters with negative and false reporting and the GOP in some states already broken their own rules. This isn't croquet where playing this is a knock down drag out fight.
I for one will be as ethical as I can depending on the situation but I am certainly tired of turning the other cheek and will go head to head with the old guard if it comes down to it. And I don't doubt we will see the same tactics as some conventions in Texas pulled then it won't matter who is at fault the media will place the blame on Ron Paul supporters anyway then where will your ethics and all our hard work be?
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Ummmm. Who is Dr Steve? care
Ummmm. Who is Dr Steve? care to tell me what kind of Dr he is?
So the credit of all those Ron Paul supporters who worked and still working hard in 50 States is gonna go to "Dr" Steve Parent? Am I missing something? Do all Ron Paul supporters know this guy? Does anyone know this guy? What has he done that inspired people? Is it the show he has on RPR radio? Do you remember how the Billionaire inspired us?
thnks for your comment by the way. Work hard and believe oin yourself not in Steve Parent. At least not until we know who he really is?
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
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Actually I don't care
Who the hell are you anyway? And why are you so fixated on SGP? You seem to be attacking the messenger instead of dealing with the message. Steve encouraged folks to become delegates and get a copy of Roberts Rules and learn for themselves. Even if he gave misinformation as far as I am concerned everyone is responsible to learn the rules themself.
Yes you are missing plenty. No one is giving him all the credit for all the work supporters have done but we should certainly give credit where credit is due. Do you really think without him here pushing the delegate thing and even the controversy people like you have caused about him, it was not a big factor in motivating people to learn the process and become delegates?
I didn't like his style on some things also but I do believe he is sincere. And since when do we have to know everything about him to test his information. Most of us like our privacy anyway despite what he or anyone else may have done or not done that we don't like.
So far you nor anyone else who has attacked Steve has brought forth any evidence that he is a subversive. You just keep throwing shitty character attacks up against the wall and hope something will stick.
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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Ok hawkiye
So I have no right to question who he is? Who the hell are you to tell what I can question and what I cant? Im fixated on SGP because I would like to know who he is and since I have probable cause to be worried about what he says on internet radio and tells youth. Also because he lied about many things including his claim that he works for the DNC and where he lived. I will question him wether you like it or not. Feel free to comment and keep this bumped, Feel free to question my intent. But I will not be intimidated or railroaded by you or by anyone else. Have a good day
same goes to the other guy below my comment
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
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Ignore these posts by NotOverYet
They contain no positive value, except maybe for Laurie, who appears to get off on this kind of crap. SGP finally goes away and now this person insists on keeping all the unsavory business bumped in numerous threads. I'm getting very tired of all the ego-driven posting here lately, whether it's from SGP or NOY or any other pathetic waste of carbon compounds desperately seeking attention or validation. Enough already!
Thanks for the pop-to-the-top!
What NOY and I (and others) are extremely concerned about is what *will* happen *in RP's name* at the GOP national convention.
And the actions discussed for bound delegates to defy the "parent" state rules by refusing to vote at all in the first round or to vote for RP in the first round and get ejected from the convention will be TOTALLY NEGATIVE VALUE.
If you knew that mechanics had failed to check the airplane, would you "get off" on warning people or is it "not my problem"?
Isn't that exactly what has happened with our government?
Does RP "get off on his kind of crap"??
Have you noticed what is happening in Nevada today?
We don't need to resort to trickery in St Paul, and if you read SGP's original post, he does not say ANYTHING about some back door way of taking the nomination. He simply says to EDUCATE yourself about becoming a delegate.
This is just crazy. Today's news is SO positive. What is your engdame?
Become a delegate and shut up!
Go Nevada!
Go Ron Paul!
Actually
Fortune Favors the Bold
I think the site of our delegates being escourted out by Police on national television would be a tremendous BOOST. Remember Eugene "Bull" Conner in Alabama.
MLK went there for a reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign
Fortune Favors the Bold
Good article
Good article, thanks for posting it.
It's beyond obvious by now that "Doctor" Steve Parent is a fraud.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=133753
Libel.
Dr. Steve, as I have understood his proposals, has not been suggesting that delegates bound to vote for McCain should default on their obligation. No, the idea is that they FULFILL their obligation, since McCain doesn't have enough bound delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot, and THEN vote their consciences if their state party's rules allow it).
Please give a source
for your statement that Steve Parent has posted his belief that bound delegates for McCain should vote for McCain in the first round.
I have numerous statements of his where he states he does not "tell" them to abstain or to defy their bound status.
However, like "unconventional" or Clinton's "is", there is definitely "parsing" going on.
Not once has Steve Parent been willing to put in writing that he has *discouraged* his supporters from abstaining or defying their bound status and being ejected from the convention.
As a friend, I can not "tell" you that you are too drunk to drive, but I certainly can *discourage* you from doing so. If I do neither, any bets on whether you drive while drunk?
If Steve Parent as the "leader" who many dote on fails to *discourage* his followers from violating the terms of their representation, is he allowing them to "drive drunk"?
Oh, and you must have missed all of Steve Parent's explanations that "expressing an opinion is not libel" in the context of his inflammatory statements against Trevor Lyman.
the author is saying the opposite
Fortune Favors the Bold
that Steve is encouraging them not to vote for McCain, which will get them ejected. This is not true, as I don't believe once a delegate is seated, they can be ejected for any reason other then violation of Robert's Rules of Order (There is a provision in the rules for delegates dissenting from the delegation's leader's attempt to enter the votes for the entire delegation. Since undoubtedly, leaders of unbound delegations will attempt this if there is not a majority of Paul delegates, doing so is a necessity. i frankly question the wisdom of the strategy the poster is recommending, as it would likely result in a unanimous vote for McCain in the first round.
Fortune Favors the Bold
I believe that in the
I believe that in the unlikely event that Dr. Paul got the chance to become President than hell yes, he can turns things around. Number one, he would be the commander in chief of the armed forces. Unilaterally, he would be able to bring the troops home immediately, as many as he deems neccessary. This would result in a huge immediate drop in foriegn spending. This could give the falling dollar a chance to breathe. He could stop the military industrial complex dead in there tracks. Number two, without a congressional declaration of war we will not be starting any more wars. Number 3. The Trilatteral Commision and cronies may just as well take a four to eight year break. With all of the foriegn war spending back down he could start chipping away at the IRS.
The other main thing that needs to be done is to give the Fed the boot.
Where would those people find *jobs*?
I believe there are news reports of Iraq vets who are already homeless, because their job was *not* available for them when they returned.
Exactly where would all of the armed forces personnel, as well as the laid-off Fed, IRS, and US Dept. of Ed. personnel find employment?
In direct competition for jobs with all of you graduating from college, except they have years of experience?
Free market economics: More people competing for the same (or decreasing) number of jobs decreases the salaries/hourly rates of everyone, as we are already seeing with the cheap foreign visa labor.
And this would help our economy, how?
There is a huge chasm between the 20,000 theories we all agree with vs. the details on how to implement them. Isn't that exactly the problem with Congress right now?
Are you serious?
Or just clueless...Sigh!
Gee with 60 trillion in obligations and debt we should keep borrowing and printing money while crashing our economy to finance sending our sons and daughters to die in foreign undeclared wars because the people that have been robbing us blind for decades (FED IRS etc.) would be out of a job... Bigger sigh!
If we stopped the war and bring the troops home they would still be in the military and collecting their pay check for most of them and that money would be spent at home boosting the economy. Also it would help the dollar recover boosting the economy. Providing more jobs.
Also pardoning any convicted so called tax evaders and defunding the IRS budget would end the income tax and would be a huge boost to the economy and a major blow to the Federal Reserve banks.
If your a Ron Paul supporter you might try and read some of his many writings and educate yourself. He predicted all these economic problems years before the man knows what he is talking about. Start here: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/index.php
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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
This is how Lincoln won:
http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/nomination.htm
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The Delegate Rule Book for the RNC
Read It--Learn It--Know It! Don't let the GOP violate the rules.
Who knows you could learn a few tricks of your own.
pdf file:
www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
You are correct...
You are correct that the doc was only urging readers to read the convention rules, whereas on the other hand only the very naive are unaware of the fact that the GOP hierarchy is EXTREMELY DESPERATE to stop any possibility of convention changes to either rules or candidate. This is entirely possible with either the numbers to do rule changes first or carry the vote because the people decide that it is in their power to drop McCain. There are definite rumblings coming from the party that they are very concerned with the flagging interest and shameful turnout for the blessed one McCain. This spells not disaster for neocons as in democratic win, because that would make no difference, but disaster at a convention where the unthinkable could occur, that being a Ron Paul revolution sweeping the floor! The worst disaster in over 100 years for them, and in fact would set back the clock more than a lifetime for the bankers! Be assured that any who decry this possibility are either very naive and loud, or really GOP core McCain pushers and loud! Usually the cruder and more vitriolic language bespeaks itself... and that is the enemy in your midst!
"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry
how do we know that this
how do we know that this wasn't posted to deter our efforts? This could have been posted by a party insider for all we know.
Why are you allowed to question but not others?
What if Steve Parent is the party insider?
What if his purpose has been to sabotage the RP movement and the GOP party? Or what if he and his supporters do so by sheer stupidity? Does that make any difference in the consequences for our country?
In all my years online and in the business world, I have never seen another person become so "prominent" (by huge self-promotion vs. referrals) with no verifiable credentials of any kind.
Not a single person has come forward as ever even having *physically* met him.
Are we "allowed" to question that?
If not, it sounds like a cult to me, not a freedom movement. Certain recent headlines come to mind-
well honestly, it seems like
well honestly, it seems like you have no proof.... it's like you just don't like him for some personal reason, despite the fact that he has helped us with this delegate process and he helped in PA.
I guess I don't understand why you don't like him. I'm indifferent about it. If it helps the cause then great. I think all your claims are just speculation. Get me some facts that prove your case and then I'll take them/you more seriously.
Dear avoiceofreason
Do you hold any proof that Steve Parent was the reason of success in Pennsylvania or even if he helped in Pennsylvania?
Im shocked by your comment. To credit Steve Parent for the work done by thousands of supporters which he has nothing to do with is a new horrifying development for me.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
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Freedom. Watch this video
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Pls donate here Ron Paul can still win
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In response to this comment
I must admit that at least this guy knows how to spell delegate properly. As far as Dr. Paul being able to stave off this coming depression, I'm sure there is no other individual in any position more qualified to lead us out of the mess that the next Commander in Chief is going to inherit, That is bottom line and if any wish to debate it, bring it on. Tell me if Hillary, Barrock or John has half a clue. It would be priceless to see any of those three braindead, overachieveing egomaniacs attempt to debate Ron Paul on the issue of the economy. People of their status would be nowhere if not for the populations fixation on things like "Dancing With Stars" or "The Exploits of Brittany"
If not us than who?
Where is the picture?
I really don't understand all the controversy about SGP. I must have missed it if he advocated disrupting the convention. All I have gotten from his posts is an explanation of the delegate process and how much control/power the delegates wield. He stated repeatedly what happens (as it stands now) regarding how many delegates must vote as bound on each vote. This "feud" is ridiculous. He's not trying to cause problems nor does he encourage anyone else to do so. At the convention or anywhere else.
Will you consider public posts evidence?
You definitely have missed them, if you aren't aware of them at all.