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Hoarding Regulations in America

main stream media today is covering the current issues involving the "hoarding" of food in the states,implying that government will have to step in at some point in the near future and put enforcement into effect....here we go! i pulled up search pages but can not find actual limits, i seem to remember reading once that we were allowed a five day supply of food, but not any more than that.also how do they enforce...???home inspections???of course with martial law they will be doing house to house checks anyhow and can under martial law "rules" conviscate all our food....that much i know, thats why i always tell people, get your supplies, store in airtight containers and HIDE them......is anyone here aware of hoarding limits ??




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Discount cards and tracking

A couple folks talked about the discount cards at super markets tracking your purchases. You can get the discount cards without giving your name. Just tell them you'd prefer not to give your name. They want you to shop there so they will give you a card without any name on it.

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They don't make sense.

Let's see instead of buying food and supplies to be prepared, that could in the short run stimulate the American agricultural markets, instead they want that I should buy some cheap imported toys and electronics from China, that should really get our economy going, right! I think I'll go out to a the local farmers market and barter with them.

Maybe there will be a girl scout cookie exemption.

I have to hoard Thin Mints and Samoas. I can only buy them once a year.

nope

im pretty sure first sweeps are for firearms and girl scouts cookies

thin mints,,,,mmmm

definitely bury those deep

Thin Mints..

my weakness.

I recall the regulations in

I recall the regulations in either the Patriot Act 1 or 2 being a 2 week maximum supply with beyond that considered as hoarding.

BUT, the Patriot Act has been ruled unconstitutional 5 or 6 times so far by federal judges...

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haha.......my first glance

haha.......my first glance at this subject said 'Hoarding Republicans in America' Must be bed time :-)zzzzz

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How would this affect

the Mormon community? They are required to have at least a years worth of food.

Surprise invitation to head for the hills!

mrl are you a Mormon? Well, the following is my own speculation but seems more probable every day. I'm thinking that new Mormon president of theirs, Thomas S. Monson, is going to extend an invitation to all those that have faithfully prepared to head for the hills. The invitation will probably be extended just before Uncle Sam begins stealing food from the "hoarders" or just before things start to get really bad in this country. If this does happen, it is going to be very interesting because the majority of them that have the faith to go will probably be Ron Paul supporters. Why do I say that? Because Romney only propagated all the lies that we've been hearing from the media and really made the ones that believed in him to feel that all was well and there is nothing to worry about.

I'm surprised that such an organization gave birth to a Mitt Romney. Why? Because all of their past prophets made much emphasis that America should not change one wit from the government the founders had prepared. It wasn't until the general Mormon Membership showed their leadership that they didn't want to hear political stuff anymore so their leaders really didn't say much after that. They have since then adopted tax exempt status or something like that where the leaders could no longer say anything because it was against the law. They could only encourage the members to engage in political activities, study the constitution, and seek "wise men" for judgments seats while remaining on neutral political position.

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If this is true?

As Ron Paul said "Thats a good question" you must ask yourself why or in this case how ? :-)

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I guess I'm a hoarder:

Because I have enough canned and dried goods to last me and the boy a long long time. I am still opening K-rations from 72. Been trying to find a good deal on M.R.E.s too. But the cabinets are full, the attic is headed that way, and I guess it won't matter much if they come and try to take it. Because if they do, I probably won't be around to use it afterward. With any luck, some of them won't be either. There now, I have had my say. If my family, friends or neighbors are in need, they will be welcome, as well as anyone else. But it is mine to give, not theirs to take.

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your post struck a chord...

a hoarder friend asked me a few days ago what I will do if others come a knocking in times of trouble. He's not inviting anyone in cause he figures everyone should be storing up food...got me thinking

After church last Sunday some of us were talking and I said I would just pack up as much as I can and bring it down to the church. Now we have a plan to do that and I like it.

cw

That sounds like a geat idea:

I only seem to have a "plan" for myself because almost everyone I talk to thinks I am a bit of a fruitcake if you know what I mean. I live in a very decent little town where there is hardly any crime and when there is, it is something silly. The people are generous and helpful and are always there for those in need. My point is that if you are savvy enough to have a plan to take care of yourself and perhaps others, no one else has the right to take it from you.
I'm glad my comment provoked some thought. We are all in this together.
I always liked that saying, "United we stand, Divided we fall".

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Shotgun blasts.

will be the last thing that someone will hear that is knocking on my door to check and see if I'm hoarding food. Hoarding limits or not.

let me reiterate.....80,000,000 gun owners in america. Go ahead make my day.

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

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a few days ago on the alex jones show i heard a gentleman speak on this subject,,,he was ex cia man and quite knowledgable on information of the inner government workings,,, i apologize but i can not remember his name right now,,,,anyhow he said hes sure our own military will never willingly participate in takeover of u.s. citizens, however, the police army is quite capable and that there are over 6 million foreign troops that have been brought into our country for this very job, mostly russian and asian ,some other european countries as well,,,,so together with the 1 million police officers an apparently formidable number,,,his number of firearms owned by citizens is 450 million,,,,and stated if it comes to it,,,,THEY will be getting their asses kicked........lord i hope it never comes to that but that was this gentlemans assessment, something to think about

Speaking of guns

Always good a have a few of them stashed away along with some ammo.
I have told my boys keep one in the house and get creative and hide the others.
That way if they come for them and you have no choice but to give them up you still have backups. :o)

So when does "owning" become

So when does "owning" become "hoarding"? Oh, yeah, when the government wants it! Just like gold in 1933 ---- if you owned gold you were automatically a "hoarder". Just another example of demonization through the selective use of language, like the FLDS members living in a "compound". Yes, criminals always live in "compounds", and we know this because that is how the masters choose to define reality for us.

Here's a dot to connect for that...

The States also enact legislation covering emergencies like antihoarding laws. These have been formulated from antihoarding references under Title 50 War and National Defense, Section 2072. Stripping off the legalese, they say no one shall accumulate goods in excess of reasonable amounts for business or personal use. Penalties are imprisonment and $10,000 in fines. To know what is on the books in your state you will have to dig. For Hawaii this information can be found in Title 10 under 'Public Safety". It is located after legislation on militias, state troops, etc. In Hawaii you are considered a "hoarder" if you have more than one weeks provisions on hand. Any amount in excess is subject to forfeiture, may be confiscated, destroyed or redistributed for public use.

From this list...

EO #12919 was released by the President on June 6th, 1994, which the following EO's fall under.

EO #10995 Federal seizure of all communications media in the United States

EO #10997 Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private.

EO #10998 Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment.

EO #10999 Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind, and total control over highways, seaports and waterways.

EO #11000 Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires

EO #11001 Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both private and public

EO #11002 Empowers the Postmaster General to register all men, women and children in the United States

EO #11003 Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft

EO #11004 Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe", establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build housing with public funds.

EO #11005 Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways, and storage facilities both public and private.

EO # 11051 Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis.

Hope that helps... ;)

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I saw that on the site I got the info below on but noticed

the 1998 date....I wonder if any f the newer legislation/acts passed of late (post 9/11) trump this. I didn't see any data on google for my state though.

Set up neighborhood watches.

Don't rely on the police to protect you, get together with your neighbors and have a neighborhood watch program to protect yourselves. Get your food now before you are forced to wait in a soup line. This is not a joke people! Remember that they told you that the banks would be fine and now they are being sold at a discount and needing to be bailed out by the Federal Reserve, which of course means we will be paying a higher inflation tax.

When the Emergency Comes

When the emergency comes, those with stocks of supplies must not hide out in their basements. We are the patriots and we must rally the remnant.

When the emergency comes organize in your area. It will be necessary to share information, supplies and labor to keep your community alive and to resist the inevitable appearance of the oppressor.

When the emergency comes you won't outlast it by hunkering down and hiding out. The people in your community will need the assistance of thoughtful and practical people like YOU. You will need them to help revitalize your community "from the bottom up." The oppressor will arrive soon enough to impose his will "from the top down."

When the emergency comes, real life begins anew. Make the most of it.

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Agree to a Point, But my family comes first

If it comes to a point where I am deciding between feeding the community for a day or making sure my family has enough food to last till harvest, the community will starve. Like it or not, that's just the way it's going to be. I've been warning plenty of people in advance - if they don't heed the warning it is not going to cause my kid to starve.

You are correct, sir!

I hope you will resist the temptation to apologize for your perfectly sane, rational, and humane point of view. Millions of years of successful evolution have programmed us to look after our own first.

By all means, keep warning your neighbors, too. You and your family will be much safer if you are surrounded by friends who are also prepared, and it will allow your community the luxury of specialization, which will get us all through the coming horror sooner and safer.

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Thank you, I don't intend

Thank you, I don't intend on apologizing for it. If I think I have the ability to help someone, then I will. But, it will not come at the price of my family starving. Although, I admit it may be extremely tough denying someone in desperate need some help.

absolutely

this can not be just about having enough for us and our families, we have to do our best to help our neighbors or the revolution will come to grinding halt...i try to keep those issues in mind as i put up supplies,,,i know for instance a bag of rice, a bag of beans , some water and dry soup mix can make a lot of soup, enough to feed a lot of hungry folks,,,,i am very concerned with the danger to infants whose mom s rely on formula,,,if i can find it at a reasonable price, im planning to buy as much as i can for those babies,,,may the Lord help us all

This is from 1998 so, OLD I don't know how newer legislation

or DHS have changed the rules...still looking

What Is FEMA's Role?

EO #11051 is interesting; it authorizes FEMA near-total power in times of crisis. There's been lots of discussion on the Internet regarding the excessive control FEMA has been granted and it was pointedly commented upon in July's world premiere movie release of the "X-Files".

FEMA was created by President Carter under Executive Order #12148. Its legal authorization is Title 42, United States Code 5121 (42 USC Sec. 5121) called the "Stafford Act." During activation of Executive Orders, FEMA answers only to the National Security Council which answers only to the President. Once these powers are invoked, not even Congress can intervene or countermand them for six months.

What Clinton, or Reagan, or any other president did when writing an EO, was to direct his Cabinet member(s), in this case FEMA, to take specific action to carry out the directives of the EO. Where Jimmy Carter had created FEMA by Executive Order in 1979, Robert Safford took it a step further and pushed a bill through in 1988 that made it law. This legislation made FEMA a bonafide department like Justice. Where the EO is critical to the USC (United States Code) and Title 50, is in interpreting the law how that department or FEMA, should conduct itself when declaring they will tell the states, national guard, military forces, or whomever, to confiscate extra hoarded food or medical supplies or whatever...

We must also consider any PDD (Presidential Decision Directives) Ok, so who will determine how much food we have in our house - why FEMA of course. And the amount depends on the need of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.

Bottom line? Clinton delegated authority to FEMA to run the show however it sees fit if he declares a national emergency. Who will determine how much food we can have in our house? FEMA. And the amount depends on the needs of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.

Many people have balked about FEMA's extensive authority, but think about it, what other agency has the manpower to cover and implement aid? As it is, FEMA still does not have the manpower to control every city all over the US in times of crisis. Chances are they would only be dispatched to larger metropolitan areas where more crowd control might be needed. Lots of people suggest darker reasons for their existence, but this site is only addressing anti-hoarding legislation, nothing else.

EO #11051 covering "economic or financial crisis" certainly would have Y2K implications as well. An emergency does not have to be defined as another Hurricane Hugo or massive Midwestern flooding.

State Legislation's Role in Anti-Hoarding
The other area where anti-hoarding confusion might have arisen is state legislation. Most states have chosen to enact their own anti-hoarding laws. That means some states may not have such laws, others do and not all are uniform. However, uniformity of state law is something governors are striving for under the Interstate Compact Agreement. The Compact Agreements, much like Executive Orders for the president, really don't require voters' input. They are law if the legislature doesn't object, much like Congress that has 30 days to object to an EO before it becomes law.

At times of "declared emergencies", each governor cedes (gives over) authority of his/her state to the federal government. When a governor declares it for his state, he becomes the delegated representative of the federal government according to an Interstate Compact Agreement. Bottom line, even though federal legislation does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's eyes.

Isn't it two weeks supply?

I'm racking the ole noggin but I think it may be under one of the 2006 Acts

yea...two weeks seems right

It happened in the patriot act #2. No hoarding more than two weeks at a time. I do not know the penalty.

Frightening!!

Most large grocery store chains have shopper

idenfication systems (discount cards, capture of ATM payment info, check acnt MICR reading capability, etc) which can record every item you purchase. Unless you pay with cash, without using any form of ID or store-issued discount card, they can collect such information.

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